I'm a little confused...

There is a lot of talk about judging... but I haven't read one person say that they did not agree with the placings (unless I missed something). If all seems right, then if Guriqqy was a judge, it shouldn't really matter because the judges were correct with their decision.

wow thats a first lol....people complaining about judging when placings ARE NOT in question. Or at least nobody has blatantly said "RIGGED COMPETITION", or "THE PLACINGS SHOULDA BEEN ___ ___ and ___!!!" Very good point vic.

I'm a little confused...

There is a lot of talk about judging... but I haven't read one person say that they did not agree with the placings (unless I missed something). If all seems right, then if Guriqqy was a judge, it shouldn't really matter because the judges were correct with their decision.

see thats why we opening that law firm together ahah

lastly I just want to say all competitions should take either the 7 judge rule with an average or dropping out the highest and lowest scores, or the 10 judge (or how ever many elements are being taken into question) to be fair and keep the morality of youth dancers higher. I don't believe anyone could've disagreed with Bhangra Idols so if it worked there why not everywhere else.

money and availability can easily prevent comps from bringing 7-10 judges. Also a few comps have subjective placing. They subjectively pick the top 3 and the scores decide the placing amongst those three teams (or the other way, rank and then decide subjectively among top three who is best). This can't work with more than 5 judges since it'd be impossible to get unanimous agreement.
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You keep talking about morality of the youth. How bout teaching them that placings don't matter.  "A competition needs to have everything perfect. It's a good thing my girls team had to drop out." Yea, that's a super philosophy...I'm surprised you let them compete anywhere, I haven't heard yet of the perfect comp. Learn to have fun, even at a rigged competition. That's truly dancing for the love of bhangra and the pride of teammates.

How about teaching them to confront problems by talking to organizers and/or Guriqpal. If he would actually look down or talk down to some kids who are asking him if any arguments amongst the older youth might influence his judgment, then you would have definitively shown your assumptions to be true. Instead you're giving us sob stories of kids crying and quitting bhangra because of comps and giving us no reason to take you seriously.

Maybe you are truly sincere, and wholeheartedly care about the effect of bhangra comps on the 'youth'. But honestly you sound whiny, coddling, and trite. Again this is how your words are interpreted by me, so please don't be offended, but I can't sympathize with the position that kids are quitting because "bhangra scene is evolving but comps aren't".

No kids are quitting because they're doing it for the wrong reasons and they're picking up bullshit beef from the older guys. Get your own shit straight before whining about the effect on the 'youth'. Shit happens at competitions. Whether it's running late, lack of practice space, poor judging, no crowd, sound issues, light issues, lame MC, show order, transportation help, useless liasons, payment problems, lineup controversy, etc. Try teaching your girls that perfection is process, not product. And if a comp is disorganized or 'jaloooose' to just bond with the other teams experiencing the same thing and not apply the next yeat. That's how you help the 'youth', not by letting them cry on your shoulders and then putting some random dude on blast on btf

Quote from: SunnyParmar on November 30, 2009, 06:12:05 AM

lastly I just want to say all competitions should take either the 7 judge rule with an average or dropping out the highest and lowest scores, or the 10 judge (or how ever many elements are being taken into question) to be fair and keep the morality of youth dancers higher. I don't believe anyone could've disagreed with Bhangra Idols so if it worked there why not everywhere else.

money and availability can easily prevent comps from bringing 7-10 judges. Also a few comps have subjective placing. They subjectively pick the top 3 and the scores decide the placing amongst those three teams (or the other way, rank and then decide subjectively among top three who is best). This can't work with more than 5 judges since it'd be impossible to get unanimous agreement.
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You keep talking about morality of the youth. How bout teaching them that placings don't matter.  "A competition needs to have everything perfect. It's a good thing my girls team had to drop out." Yea, that's a super philosophy...I'm surprised you let them compete anywhere, I haven't heard yet of the perfect comp. Learn to have fun, even at a rigged competition. That's truly dancing for the love of bhangra and the pride of teammates.

How about teaching them to confront problems by talking to organizers and/or Guriqpal. If he would actually look down or talk down to some kids who are asking him if any arguments amongst the older youth might influence his judgment, then you would have definitively shown your assumptions to be true. Instead you're giving us sob stories of kids crying and quitting bhangra because of comps and giving us no reason to take you seriously.

Maybe you are truly sincere, and wholeheartedly care about the effect of bhangra comps on the 'youth'. But honestly you sound whiny, coddling, and trite. Again this is how your words are interpreted by me, so please don't be offended, but I can't sympathize with the position that kids are quitting because "bhangra scene is evolving but comps aren't".

No kids are quitting because they're doing it for the wrong reasons and they're picking up bullshit beef from the older guys. Get your own shit straight before whining about the effect on the 'youth'. Shit happens at competitions. Whether it's running late, lack of practice space, poor judging, no crowd, sound issues, light issues, lame MC, show order, transportation help, useless liasons, payment problems, lineup controversy, etc. Try teaching your girls that perfection is process, not product. And if a comp is disorganized or 'jaloooose' to just bond with the other teams experiencing the same thing and not apply the next yeat. That's how you help the 'youth', not by letting them cry on your shoulders and then putting some random dude on blast on btf

karo karo swi-for-mod karo!

Not just Canadian comps...Bhangra Bash is a US comp and there were judging issues there too =)

Quote from: Bharathi on November 30, 2009, 12:18:34 PM

Not just Canadian comps...Bhangra Bash is a US comp and there were judging issues there too =)

yeah, but that was a fun event...somewhat. there was some good team bonding, until a team gets jumped...but whatever!

which team got jumped at bash? Don't remember hearing about it

4. Now i've been involved with Bhangra and the scene for 6 years in Surrey. As well I've been dancing for 13 years. I know some people younger then me that have WAY more bhangra knowledge then me and are much better dancers. Why was Guriqpal Kullar from PANJ a judge? He's been dancing for maybe 3-4 years, learns from youtube videos and honestly like I said there were probably 20-30 people in the audience that I know who 20x more knowledge then him when it comes to bhangra. When I asked a member of VIBC (who is one of my closest friends) she said it was "the youth judging the youth". And that the jugdes weren't confirmed until the day of the competition because they had a difficult time finding judges. I think if you're supposed to be the the largest and more bad ass competition in BC then you should at least know who you're picking as judges. I know a lot of people aren't going to side with my on this but the youth judging the youth? Thats a load of crap.

Whats wrong with youtube?  Seriously? ... If Guriqbal is that badass of a dancer and hes only learned from youtube, then thats props.  Not everyone has the luxury of being taught from a coach.  Some people have a passion for bhangra, and want to do it by any means possible.  If he has enough respect and admiration for bhangra to learn anyway he can, i think thats enough qualification for a judge.  There was no quarrels with the placings, so he must have done a fair and decent job. 

PS. Doing bhangra shouldn't be about competing or winning trophies.  We do it to keep out culture and our traditions alive.  That should be the main focus.  AND having FUN 

I'm not saying that that is what people mean when they post, but I just noticed that people are downplaying the competitive nature of bhangra COMPETITIONS a little bit.

I definitely agree.  Being competitive is good for bhangra.  It brings the best out in people.

BUT when people loose they need to ... shut up ... be humble ... and bring it next time.  Stop complaining, and bitching, and win the next comp.  No one is going to win every competition, for one reason or another.  So understand that your going to loose one day, accept it, and move the f*ck on.  No one needs to hear anyone crying.
 
AND have FUN 

Is it me, or are people going to finally realize that in what 5-10 years that most of the judges in the circuit will most likely be people from here.  Hell, Saleem, Govind, Pashi, and other have already started judging (I think Faizan called Pashi one of the best judges of last year if im not mistaken).  Bhangra isnt such a huge and far flung community that we can accurately cleanse the bias out of competitions and judging.  Its going to be there, and your just going to have to put faith into the people judging that there will be no bias intermingled in decisions, because thats what being a judge entails.  If you have problems with judging after a competition where it doesnt seem like ANY SHIT HAPPENED then you should re-evaluate whats more important: winning competitions or having fun.