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Criticism- Virsa: OT
« on: September 12, 2009, 12:17:17 AM »
I would like you guys to critique our latest performance, but in a different manner by which people do normally. I would appreciate if after watching our Video you all can assign points to the following criteria.
1.Opening-5 Points
2.Choreography-20 Points
3.Orginality/Creativity- 10 points
4.Execution- -20 Points
5.Traditionality-20 Points
6.Overal Look: -20 Points
7.Ending-5 Points
It adds up to a total of 100 points and would also appreciate it if you guys can total up the points at the end

In order for you to understand each category, I have written somewhat about each category
1. Opening- How did you like the opening of the set?
2.Choreography: Where the transitions to formations smooth? How  was the Complexity of moves and formations?
3. Orginality/Creativity-
4.Execution- Was the set executed properly? Where the props played properly? Was everyone synchronized?
5. Traditionality- Did the set incorporate proper Bhangra steps? Where the moves executed properly? Did the set have majority of Bhangra elements( eg. Jugni, Dhamaal, Mirza,etc)
6. Overal Look: Was the set performed with Energy, Nakhre, good facial expressions, Showed passion while dancing?
7. Ending- How was the ending?




The purpose of me asking this is beacause I am curious to know how other people look at performances. All of us know our individual faults so there really isn't much need to write about that. Thanks for taking out the time and responding to this request.

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Criticism- Virsa: OT
« on: September 12, 2009, 12:17:17 AM »

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 12:28:20 AM »
Smart request

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 12:43:09 AM »
Shaheed-e-Azam Sardaar Bhagat Singh Ji
If Punjabi is not spoken, it will die; If proper Bhangra is not done, it will die.
What happened to Bhangra? I will blame you for the day real animals start coming on stage. Your team is doing well for now.

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 02:32:52 AM »
I will do this tomorrow

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 03:05:41 AM »

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 04:01:10 AM »
me too

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 04:20:48 AM »
same here haha
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2009, 03:43:06 PM »
firstly..your mix is insane
secondly..red jori ripped jhummar..nice nakhre
now to your criteria
opening- 4..i liked how everyone was doing different things
choreo- i wouldn't know the difference between 1-2 points so ill give a range..16-18..had some moves i havent seen before and transitions/formations..however i felt u had some random segments in there that just didnt fit in such as shounk mitra...too short seemed like an obvious breather
originality/creativity- 8..had some nice folk elements i havent seen before..4 45 was sexy
execution- i think this is where u guys hurt the most..stamina wise some guys seemed dead in the middle of the performance..walking at some points..cuple guys crashed into each other at around 7 min..and dhamaal 1-2 guys were off when they came to the front..some guys had crazy energy..some didnt..so id give 14-15
traditionality- eh folk ah..song selection had to do with this too.. 20
overall look- 16-17
ending- i liked how u broke out into the V..slick..5

overall i liked it.u guys have improved alot..good luck in the future  (82-87/100) i think
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 03:46:11 PM »
Thanks for the critique..

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 05:59:41 PM »
do you want us to do this after watching it only 1 time?? I ask this b/c this sounds like most competition scoring sheets and judges only get one chance to view your routine?? After watching this and examining things i'm sure people will notice things they did not notice the first couple times and that might affect the scores...just so you get an accurate scoring that's all...
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2009, 08:18:07 PM »
It would be better if its scored by looking at just once.

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2009, 08:44:14 PM »
Before I give my critique, I just wanna say I've been a fan of Virsa, you guys know that, and if I mention negative points, please take them as constructive criticism as I have enjoyed your performances over the years.

i dunno if the opening category includes the sher and speech, but Im gonna leave it out of the opening to give you the benefit. I wasn't feeling the sher or the speech. Don't get me wrong, jaswant has an awesome voice, but that sher didn't flow too well. It sounded awkward. Then the speech, sounded like it was going to be SICK in the beginning. The guy doing the speech (jabar?) had a good voice for a speech but then it goes "ammey taan ney akdhey sanu, singh soormey sardar!"...I dunno if its the way he said it, but it just seemed cut off. From the delivery I was expecting him to say more at the end of it.
 
1.Opening- 2 Points:
Good song for the mela scene! However, I felt like the mela was TOO random and not organized enough. Don't get me wrong, mela scenes are supposed to LOOK random, but they should also be organized in a certain way in order for the scene to flow properly. You guys should have used 2 guys for the wrestling part and used that 3rd guy to make a gadda instead of the standing tower because the mid stage area was way too empty. The 3 guys doing kabaddi took a lot of attention away from the other parts of the mela. I couldn't make out what the green guy was doing in the back left corner but that seemed a little random as well. The two guys doing punjab on the left, holding khunda and kato should have been on opposite sides of the stage.
2.Choreography-15 Points:
I felt like you guys tried to do a little too much with the saap segment. Its fine if the song is fast, but the moves just looked sloppy and they werent crisp. They looked more forced than anything especially with respect to the two formations you used. One was in the shape of an 8 and the other switched lines diagonally. I see what you tried to do with the formations in the saap segment, but they didn't work for me. I liked the saap/khunda segment a lot better but I didnt like how the guys with saaps just kinda ran off to put their saaps down. Shoulda made that more fluid and less recognizable. The khunda segment was very bland. Again, the moves you chose just didnt fit the segment or the song, or the speed of the song. Jhummar was good, I like the choreography for that. And then you guys did bedi after jhummar. Now, that was all good, but there are limited formations you can use for bedi. The one you guys used didn't work for me and I know you guys tried to be creative and I like that you guys tried different stuff. After bedi I really liked how you guys unfolded with daankrey. Loved the formation and the way it was executed. That was very good. For sammiyaan, the formations is very simple and could have looked better but some guys were faster than other and left a gap to make the line in the back of the stage. I didn't like the two lines horizonatally on dhamaal (boliyaan paundey hekaan laundey part), had you used a better formation it would have looked good with that move. The rest of the routine after The props segment was decent in terms of choreography with fewer awkward actions.
3.Orginality/Creativity- 7 points
As I said above, I liked the fact that you guys tried doing new, creative things (especially formations) and in my opinion, they were risks. So I applaud you for taking risks and seeing what works and what doesnt. Although some of the creative aspects did not fit well, maybe you can incorporate them elsewhere in the routine and build from that. Maybe tweek it a bit so it does work next time whether it be a different song, maybe execute it slower, and Im just saying this in a general sense and not pin pointing anything in particular. So it was definitely original and I could really see that you guys made the effort to be innovative and make the performance your own and not some team that watched some videos and pasted it in their set. So kudos on that.
4.Execution- 10 Points:
I was really disappointed with execution as I have seen you guys do MUCH better in comps before this. The lachak wasn't there and you guys lacked completion of moves and they were halfway done. Some dancers were weaker than others and it showed. And the "weaker" dancers have done well in other performances ive seen. Everyone was on different levels (for example look at dhamaka at 9:01) in different parts of the routine. You guys didn't dance as a team at all. For example some guys, on jugni and the move after lehria were like standing straight up. The music was way too fast for you guys. There should have been a proper balance in speed, but the whole mix was just go, go, go. As I've said in the past, there is nothing wrong with dancing to a slower song but completing your moves, showing nasty nakhrey, and executing actions properly.
5.Traditionality-20 Points:
Definitely used traditional steps and executed them traditionally.
6.Overal Look: -12 Points:
I felt like you guys had your strong and weak points but as a whole things just didnt seem to click for me.
7.Ending-4 Points
I always love the bhagat singh endings. Although it was messy, I liked how it was in your face you ended with a bang.

so thats a total of 70/100


« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 04:18:53 PM by Meistro »
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2009, 09:17:36 PM »
^^ well done
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2009, 10:40:42 PM »
Thanks for the critique Meistro. I understand where u went with every category and agree with you with majority of the things in each category. One thing I want to share with you is that I really didn't want people judging us on this set compared to past performances. The reason for that is that in one way you can say that this is a very different team from the past. If you look at the performance at Mission in 2006 and AVAP in 2007 and now none of these 8 dancers danced back then. After that till Royale in 2008(not including Royale) Only 1/8 of us danced which is Sunny Kanwar. After that 4/8 of us danced at Royale and 6/8 of us danced at Desi Dhamaka this year. So this was the first performance for 2 of our guys. Saying that you can pretty much conclude that we change dancers pretty much every competition. The same has been with choregraphy of the sets since Virsa has started. This in noway is an excuse to our faults and lacking in this set, I told all this just so you can understand why their is the difference in choreography/performance compared to our previous sets.

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2009, 11:45:51 PM »
Damn. -10 for execution...a little harsh no?...its not like we just sat there lollllll

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2009, 11:49:45 PM »
Pinder thats all Because of the Yellow jodi. We gotta teach them how to dance man hahahahha

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2009, 12:06:12 AM »
Damn. -10 for execution...a little harsh no?...its not like we just sat there lollllll

I gave 10 because nobody consistently did moves with proper lachak. Nobody did moves kichkey jiddan meh panchode bhangra paun ayan. Sure, some of you guys had your moments, but it was in spurts. Almost like you guys were like ok im gonna KILL IT on this part, then chill until the next part you choose to kill it. Also, there are 8 different ways of execution on most moves in the video. You're Virsa, execute moves as a team. Hell, at practice stand in front of a mirror and make sure everyone is moving and executing moves the EXACT SAME way. Not, meh edhey kolon bhangra sikheya, Im gonna do a move this way, meh falaney kolon bhangra sikhey, Im gonna do this move that way. Stamina was very poor. You guys didn't pick up your legs when it was needed most. Many of the moves seemed very rush. I have stressed this all too much before. If your bhangra is at a slow speed where your dancers can comfortably complete a move and just kill it, then do that. Don't speed up a song to where you cant handle it. High speed music in bhangra is NOT impressive if it doesnt fit the segment.
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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2009, 07:54:30 AM »
I agree 100 percent with you meistro but I thought u said -10 lol

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 12:17:18 PM »
action vich safaaye leyaooo. ur steps arent clear bai....bhangra da nass marya peya

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Re: Criticism- Virsa: OT
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2009, 04:18:33 PM »
I agree 100 percent with you meistro but I thought u said -10 lol

ohhhhh hahahaha my bad. corrected!
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