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ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« on: December 22, 2011, 12:27:39 AM »
Hey everyone,


This is Iowa State University Bhangra's performance from last Diwali Night. We would appreciate any and all feedback you guys might have about the performance so we can get better. Thanks!

Thanks Swi aka Swizzee for the mix!


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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 02:30:01 AM »
I remember watching your performance from last year, and you guys have improved tremendously. Keep working at it and using the resources available to you. I will try and send more detailed critique later, but one quick thing I noticed is girls seem less comfortable with the choreo, and less energetic. I feel like with coed teams, guys will often get a lot of the attention bc we are usually bigger, so your girls have to really step it up so they don't look as less energetic. Another thing I would say, and this goes for every team, but especially newer teams, standardize the hell out of every move. This is huge for new dancers, knowing exactly where to put their arm, leg, head, etc. I know it takes a lot of time, but it will help not only in making your routine look cleaner (which seemed like it was pretty clean), but also with dancer development. Great job though!!

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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2011, 03:50:31 AM »
Are you guys going for a specific style?  Would you like something more specific(i.e. execution, how to make it more folk/entertaining, etc?)
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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2011, 12:14:02 PM »
I remember watching your performance from last year, and you guys have improved tremendously. Keep working at it and using the resources available to you. I will try and send more detailed critique later, but one quick thing I noticed is girls seem less comfortable with the choreo, and less energetic. I feel like with coed teams, guys will often get a lot of the attention bc we are usually bigger, so your girls have to really step it up so they don't look as less energetic. Another thing I would say, and this goes for every team, but especially newer teams, standardize the hell out of every move. This is huge for new dancers, knowing exactly where to put their arm, leg, head, etc. I know it takes a lot of time, but it will help not only in making your routine look cleaner (which seemed like it was pretty clean), but also with dancer development. Great job though!!

I agree with what Pavan said, this is a huge improvement from what I've seen from you guys in the past.  The girls do seem less comfortable than the guys, and generally speaking the guys seem to get noticably  more extension/range of motion on their moves.  Work on stamina too, I noticed that the synchro started to fade a little towards the end.

Another thing, make sure you guys are getting low.  Like at 7:23...at this point you're prob a little tired, but getting low will make this move look much better.

Also, on the intro shair, put some background music with it, it'll sound much more dynamic and hype. 

Mix was on point.

Good job, keep it up, looking forward to seeing more from you guys in the future.
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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2011, 02:06:45 PM »
Another thing I would say, and this goes for every team, but especially newer teams, standardize the hell out of every move. This is huge for new dancers, knowing exactly where to put their arm, leg, head, etc. I know it takes a lot of time, but it will help not only in making your routine look cleaner (which seemed like it was pretty clean), but also with dancer development. Great job though!!


Thanks a lot Pavan! Our original plan was to have everyone just learn the dance last semester for our random performances and gigs and then focus on standardizing/cleaning. But this semester, we had 2 dancer leave so we'll have to teach them the whole routine again with the changes we're making. Should we standardize/clean segments as we learn them? Obviously our plan of cleaning later didn't work out...




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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »

Also, on the intro shair, put some background music with it, it'll sound much more dynamic and hype. 

Mix was on point.

Good job, keep it up, looking forward to seeing more from you guys in the future.


We've planned to put in background music for the shair for next semester. It was a impromptu shair before the performance so we decided to just roll with it then.


Also, props to Swi for the mix!

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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »
Are you guys going for a specific style?  Would you like something more specific(i.e. execution, how to make it more folk/entertaining, etc?)


I think i'd just like to know how we get both guys and girls on the same level in terms of energy and how we execute moves.  That's one of the comments we've received before even putting our performance on here that guys seemed to be enjoying themselves a lot more up there so ideas on how you would do it? Also,[size=78%] [/size]we're going for a semi-folk style i guess you could say? I'm not entirely sure how to classify our performance to be completely honest so what style would you classify it as from this performance and how can we get more of a folk style?

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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 10:56:05 PM »
Are you guys going for a specific style?  Would you like something more specific(i.e. execution, how to make it more folk/entertaining, etc?)


I think i'd just like to know how we get both guys and girls on the same level in terms of energy and how we execute moves.  That's one of the comments we've received before even putting our performance on here that guys seemed to be enjoying themselves a lot more up there so ideas on how you would do it? Also,[size=78%] [/size]we're going for a semi-folk style i guess you could say? I'm not entirely sure how to classify our performance to be completely honest so what style would you classify it as from this performance and how can we get more of a folk style?

More of a folk style isnt so much about the execution, but more about the build of the set.  You kinda want to figure out what core traditional elements you want in the set, then build them in a specific order in light of common dance norms(pace, dynamics, creativity).

Overall its a stagnant set focusing on high energy and harsh, fast movement.  You also dont maximize on large movements.  I think a big thing that Co-ed teams unwittingly do is treat girls different than guys, and that hinders dancing ability when uniformity is a large factor in bhangra.  Also, try making your formations first, and then do choreography that matches.  This will give your set a more entertaining flow, and build into patterning simple choreo with fluid movement as well as fluid and complex choreo with stagnant movement. 


Go bigger with your movements.  Break the steps down, make them bigger, and keep it smooth.  I respect that you have differences in execution of steps, but you must maximize those steps as well as promote unity within.  Dont ask me to give you a style.  Pick a style you want and then have people critique based on that style.  It will help your dance evolve and create your own unique identity.

Spend a lot of time at the beginning and end of practices on basics and form.  Rather than going for something ridiculous, focus on cleaning and polishing the individual steps and ESPECIALLY the footwork.  Footwork, and how you execute, can make or break a set due to the interchangeability of it. 

To sum, its an excellent start.  Nows the hard part = picking a direction you want to go and finding the way to achieve it.  Im expecting big things down line from this team!!
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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 08:53:13 PM »
Thanks for the great feedback guys! We definitely have some new and creative ideas for next semester. We still think the mix is missing something....any suggestions? 
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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 11:50:29 PM »
Thanks for the great feedback guys! We definitely have some new and creative ideas for next semester. We still think the mix is missing something....any suggestions?

IDK if its missing something, but the 6'7' has been overused.  Feels like I've heard it in so many mixes that it doesn't really add anything and seems boring.  The cleanliness of the mix is really good and that is why I stated earlier that its a good mix, but the song selection leaves something to be desired (this is purely subjective though). 

You guys are looking good Nishan, props for repping the state of Iowa (ps...this is coming from someone who grew up there lol)
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 10:01:36 PM »
Thanks for the great feedback guys! We definitely have some new and creative ideas for next semester. We still think the mix is missing something....any suggestions?


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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 10:48:49 PM »
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Re: ISU Bhangra--feedback anyone?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 02:07:17 AM »
Another thing I would say, and this goes for every team, but especially newer teams, standardize the hell out of every move. This is huge for new dancers, knowing exactly where to put their arm, leg, head, etc. I know it takes a lot of time, but it will help not only in making your routine look cleaner (which seemed like it was pretty clean), but also with dancer development. Great job though!!


Thanks a lot Pavan! Our original plan was to have everyone just learn the dance last semester for our random performances and gigs and then focus on standardizing/cleaning. But this semester, we had 2 dancer leave so we'll have to teach them the whole routine again with the changes we're making. Should we standardize/clean segments as we learn them? Obviously our plan of cleaning later didn't work out...


I suggest cleaning and standardizing as you learn. That way, people practice doing the moves properly rather than learning them one way and then you clean at the end and they realize they've been doing the moves incorrectly the entire time, which can be frustrating. This way, doing the moves properly becomes engrained in your dancers' muscle memory.


I agree with all of the other comments. I'd say especially focus on making moves bigger and sharper and extending your arms fully. As for the girls dancing stronger, small changes like holding their elbows away from their body when using kato or khunday (when it's resting on your shoulder and your holding it with both hands) or making sure they lift their legs as high as the guys do (relatively for their size of course) can make a significant difference. To match girls and guys, maybe just drilling each segment with guys on one side and girls on the other and running it in the mirror until people match or see what they need to work on to match might be helpful (I know it sounds super obvious, but it worked for us). Best of luck!
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