You guys got robbed just like NYPD did at T-DOT, and as for giving the trophy back, that is understandable. After watching you guys, you def deserved a higher placing. Regardless, good job and keep doin what you do!

You guys got robbed just like NYPD did at T-DOT, and as for giving the trophy back, that is understandable. After watching you guys, you def deserved a higher placing. Regardless, good job and keep doin what you do!

Thanks for understanding that we should have got a higher placing.

Quote from: Pswaich on August 11, 2011, 05:51:36 PM

You guys got robbed just like NYPD did at T-DOT, and as for giving the trophy back, that is understandable. After watching you guys, you def deserved a higher placing. Regardless, good job and keep doin what you do!

Thanks for understanding that we should have got a higher placing.

First off, your performance was outstanding.  Very enjoyable to watch, energy was great, could easily tell you guys put in a lot of time and effort. 


But then things got sour.  How is giving the trophy back understandable?  Not taking the trophy is nothing more than a slap in the face to the judges AND the organizers, saying "We're too good for you."   You might as well have just flipped them the bird. 


A lot of people put a lot of time and effort in just so you could get on the stage and showcase your talent.  Organize a competition and you will know what I am saying.  Ask any other person on this forum that has organized a competition about how much planning, time, effort, and manpower it takes. 


Sure, you put a lot of time and effort in and your dance was great, but the people who put this competition together are the ones who gave you a platform.  If it wasn't for them, this thread wouldn't even exist. 


Learn from this experience.  Or better yet, help organize a competition if you have a chance.  You will have a much better appreciation for what it takes just for you to step foot on stage.  Then you will realize how tasteless and unappreciative it is to give a trophy back.     


I wish you guys the best, but next time don't mess up your performance by doing something like this.  Let your dance do the talking. 

Apparently I posted this in the wrong thread.  Let's try this again.

I think I'm really beyond the point that a team "got robbed."  If judges choose not to give Team X first at a competition, for whatever reason, that team didn't get robbed.  That is the judges opinion, and they will determine who will get the trophy and the prize.  They are elders, and have experience (9 times out of 10)-and their opinions should be respected.  Nachde Shokeen did not have the trophy in hands, and the judges took the trophy and placed it into the other team's.  That didn't happen.  The only people officially determining the placings for each competition is the judges.  No one gets robbed.  We're all entitled to our own opinion regarding placings, but "Team X got robbed" is overstepping our boundaries.

Likewise, our fellow dancers should be respected.  We need to stop the beef, the issues, the drama, the "this team got robbed", or the classic "we should have gotten first!"-it's all disrespect and it's unnecessary, and all a COMPLETE waste of energy.  We gain nothing out of this.

We're all coming from the same place-a group of people who love dancing, and love the feeling they get when they're on stage and performing for a crowd.  As a community, let's not waste anymore energy thinking too much into placings and taking the competitive aspect of what we all enjoy TOOO FAR. 

Enough is enough.

There's millions of people in the world who are in worse positions than we are.  We all should be lucky to have whatever we have... whether placing first or last.  Even within our circuit, there's plenty of teams who could only dream of performing in Toronto but are not able to (whether financial or they just don't have "it" yet-but hopefully they will soon).

I think we should all be humble and thankful, and cut the bullshit.  Let's enjoy ourselves-THAT is something we all deserve.

Nachde Shokeen, you didn't get robbed.  Sorry-hate to tell you.  The judges determined that.  But guess what-THAT'S LIFE!!  You win some, you lose some.  You took 3rd on this one when you feel you deserved better, and then a month or two from now you might ACTUALLY WIN a competition and then everyone will be screaming that you guys didn't deserve it.  THAT IS LIFE!!  You win some, you lose some-either way you take things in stride and you be HUMBLE.

But you shouldn't focus on winning here-you have a great set and you're all great dancers.  Focus on pleasing your audience and having fun.  This is why you are dancing, correct?  There is nothing wrong with his.

Returning a trophy because you weren't happy that you didn't place higher is super disrespectful.  You're giving yourselves a bad name, and you're putting out bad energy.  Trust me when I tell you that if you put out bad energy, then that bad energy comes back to bite you in the ass 10-fold.  You placed.  There were probably 6 or 7 other teams that didn't.  Be proud because that is an accomplishment.

Also, remember that your fate as a team is determined by competition organizers who do select teams-90% of them who read this forum and 100% of them who put in SO MUCH WORK to creating such an event, you couldn't even imagine.  We as dancers can pull together a bomb routine in anywhere from 5 days-3 months.  The average competition takes a little less than a year of CONSTANT STRESS to plan. 

You guys may be great dancers, but if you guys have bad attitudes then some of these organizers will be like "oh, they're THAT team.  HAAA!!!" and literally rip up your application (if not set it on fire in the middle of the street and watch it burn to a crisp). 

Be humble.

The point of a competition is to compete. You cannot expect teams to go to a competition and not be competitive, no matter how young they are. That's just silly. Teams will work their butts off to bring a respectable routine to a competition and if they're not allowed to feel depressed, disappointed, angry or rejected if they don't get the recognition they think they should deserve, then that's even sillier. If you're worried about instilling the wrong type of mentality in younger kids, then don't perform at competitions.

Is the team allowed to feel that they got robbed? Yes. Should they express this sentiment by giving back the trophy, making a scene or acting up? No.

Nachde Shokeen, you guys got robbed. This is an amazing set with execution that even top dog senior teams won't be able to match. This is Elite 8 material, but sucks that you keep getting robbed at competitions where it take you much longer to get that recognition. Next time, don't act up. You'll get so much more sympathy and recognition from the judges, competition organizers, other teams, audience members and the rest of the circuit if you take the lack of appreciation with class - no one wants to root for the team that straight killed it but throws a hissy fit when they don't win.

First and foremost for a junior team.....HOLY SHIT.....that was incredible.

I usually don't say much when it comes to BTF drama butt
Now that you know how I feel about you guys here's my 2 cents:

Now whether I think it was right or wrong for you guys to return your trophy or whether you should have placed higher..... just think about one thing: your respect as a team on the bhangra circuit. Whether you like it or not, as much as you think you should have placed higher...you dont give yourself a trophy!! It doesn't matter what your emotions are at that time you should think about whats good for your team in the future. Refusing and giving trophies back isn't going to place you higher. However, refusing and giving back trophies WILL impact how your team is viewed in the future. So forgetting whether you should have even placed at all...act in ways that will only move your team forward not looked down upon

The point of a competition is to compete. You cannot expect teams to go to a competition and not be competitive, no matter how young they are. That's just silly. Teams will work their butts off to bring a respectable routine to a competition and if they're not allowed to feel depressed, disappointed, angry or rejected if they don't get the recognition they think they should deserve, then that's even sillier. If you're worried about instilling the wrong type of mentality in younger kids, then don't perform at competitions.

Is the team allowed to feel that they got robbed? Yes. Should they express this sentiment by giving back the trophy, making a scene or acting up? No.

Nachde Shokeen, you guys got robbed. This is an amazing set with execution that even top dog senior teams won't be able to match. This is Elite 8 material, but sucks that you keep getting robbed at competitions where it take you much longer to get that recognition. Next time, don't act up. You'll get so much more sympathy and recognition from the judges, competition organizers, other teams, audience members and the rest of the circuit if you take the lack of appreciation with class - no one wants to root for the team that straight killed it but throws a hissy fit when they don't win.

Special S,

(Wow I feel weird calling you Sue)  I totally understand what you're saying.  We're both just coming from two different placings-though we still agree on behavior.

The point of a competition is to compete-you're right.  But some people, me included, use this as a platform to just straight up perform an art form that they love on a big stage.  I mean, what better platform to do it than at a competition with an audience of anywhere between 100 to a thousand or so (GOD I <3 performing at Boston Bhangra!!)?  I can honestly tell you that at nearly every competition (or at least the one's that I actually did well in), I didn't focus on the trophy.  I just focused on having a good time and enjoying myself on stage (the irony is that the comps where I did focus on a trophy-or something like it-I was borderline HORRENDOUS).  This is where I'm coming from.

I know you too ALL too well.  I know where you're coming from, the type of person you are, and what fuels you-but I wanted to explain myself and my post.

Is a team allowed to feel like they should have deserved better-absolutely (PS I don't use the word "robbed"... you know how technical I am). 

But what I am saying is that this is life.  You do win some, and you do lose some.  We've both been there-together-and we know this for a fact. 

But as people, we need to respect ourselves and each other.  We're allowed to celebrate and enjoy our wins, but the losses we must all learn to take them gracefully.  Otherwise we're disrespecting the judges, we're disrespecting our competitors, and ultimately disrespecting ourselves.  And then, when all is said and done, we gain absolutely nothing out of it.  As much as I know how much I worked, who am I to say how much they have worked?  Who am I to say that the judges don't know anything?  And why am I going to let placings at a competition get to me, lose my cool, and ultimately make myself look like a complete douche?

Placings at a competition are subjective.  The judges have their opinions, which I do respect.  But I'm not performing for them-I'm performing for me, and I'm performing for the audience.  I can't please everybody (this can turn into a dirty joke VERY quickly).

wow, you guys had awesome energy during the whole routine. good job !

+1

is this the junior team of the live team nachde shokeen? i forgot whether the live team spelled it shaukeen or shokeen

Yes it is the juniors of the seniors live team

To btf community,

     I understand you guys want to teach and promote sportsmanship and respect in the younger children and teach them about enjoying competitions however there's one thing you guys fail to realize. There is a reason why they are called Bhangra COMPETITIONS.

     You dont see NHL or NBA players going around saying "hey that was a great season I mean officiating was completely against us, but that's fine because we enjoyed the 80 something games just losing".

     Bhangra competitions are meant to be COMPETITIVE. People want to win. That's why they compete.

     Rather than trying to tell kids to suck it up and enjoy losing we as a community need to put pressure on competitions to increase judging consistency.

     Organizers throw up competitoins, have teams come in from so far and than have holes and inconsistencies in thier placings and score sheets.

    I firmly believe Bhangra competitive need to post score sheets publicly without any alterations.

Teams are going to get better and Bette. Bhangra is going to get faster and more technical. Dancers are going to get hungrier and hungrier. The only thing is that competitions need to keep up.