- set the benchmark for co-ed routines to come. even if you take the unique order of segments out of the equation, still the best i can remember.
- glad to see a team outside of the few couple that currently do/did before who took some risks with their set creation
- we will still be doing the chaiyya chaiyya move that you stole from us at bruin tejas you are a kutha. but very very very nicely done.
- kavin, amazing job on a mix. definitely doesn't soudn like you learned how to mix this year.
- more teams should begin moving in this direction for sets. its really tough, but the majority of teams these days have pretty much a random amalgamation of moves in their props segments and i can't remember a single thing about it. i can definitely remember some cool moments in each of your props segments.
- going 16 was a very wise decision and you guys made sure your newer dancers learned their fundamentals well and they def executed on stage
- your girls are sick
- your guys are obviously very good too
- ending was super good/hype
- yes for not doing much romantic stuff
- tabla incoroporation is great (and got better with your mini-stage at blowout) - could have made more out of the jugni drop in the choreo itself but its all good
- id see shubhits snapchats of people working out before practice (saw plenty of shubhit working out as well) - true testament that shows that hard, smart work is the key (and not just letting a hot set carry you)
- ankur you look very nice in red
- shubhit i think you looked hotter in black, regardless you looked so big and manly on stage in these vardi i think i blush when i watch you dance
- when i think of more random thoughts about this i shall let you know
Lavesh Pritmani - not only brought and instilled alot of knowledge about traditional/folk/yall know what i mean/etc bhangra to NC but the academy he started continues to flourish today and he runs a bhangra teaching app - not much more to say
Raj Shah (UNC) - not many coed teams reached this level of cleanliness and well executed ideas - VPD 2011-Blowout 2012 them and Fauj were def cleanest on circuit
Sid/Ram/Harman/Pankaj/Rohan - These FCB captains over the years have not only kept bhangra alive in the Burgh, but have instilled a desire in dancers that is hard to really replicate. The fact that the dancer turnover on FCB is immense yet they continue to put on great performances with new dancers is no fluke - there is a system behind it.
All of these are self-pumps as I've danced alongside each of these gentlemenz and benefited from their amazingness
I think SMD is probably the benchmark team for cleanliness and back to front execution - if a team can place over them, that means they either brought enough to the table to overcome the cleanliness gap and/or paid alot of attention to detail and were very clean as well.
For a CoEd team specifically, I'd say being able to match up to CMU is a good benchmark for being elite. Not many other teams have placed at the variety of competitions and rubrics as CMU has over the past many years. If a team places ahead of CMU, you know they brought alot of energy and were still very uniform (and didn't make a specific "coed" style set since some people seem to think coed bhangra is it's own style and needs to be done a different way, which I don't particularly agree with and is probably what lead to everyone looking so similar post-good ol days VCU)
I've been feeling this way for a while as well. As an avid bhangra fan/dancer for 15+ years, I remember feeling the most hyped about performances when the big dogs like Sher Foundation or Khalsa Junction took the stage. After that, the innovation brought forth by teams like DRP, Gabroo Shokeen, and VCU kept that momentum for some time.
Judging by how many people have contributed to this topic, you don't have to see any statistics or data to see that yes, we here at BTF feel like the fire has been lost. Teams just don't have that true "hype" or have that fire, not only as performers, but as DANCERS, to innovate the game and leave a long lasting impression.
I can't speak from a dancer's point of view, but as an audience member and more importantly as a DJ, I think a large part of what will bring about this change is the music.
How many of you guys remember when Sher Foundation came out with doing quick medleys instead of dancing to only 3-4 songs? And the infamous Sher Bass Drop?? Ohhhweee, that shit made the performance infinitely more memorable and really helped solidify Sher Foundation's legacy. How many teams are doing that today? Many teams have been using the same "hoy"s and sword "shwings" and "BOOOMS" since they first emerged.
We need to create new and more innovative types of mixes and cultivate a more progressive sound for the bhangra circuit. That's where I think I can help.
I've been putting out a lot of tracks this past year and have had the pleasure of being asked to do team mixes, however, I don't really have the time and prefer not to work with teams who I haven't connected with on a personal level. As someone who takes his music and art very seriously, I like to create alongside passionate choreographers, as well as to reinvent the music of traditional Bhangra/Punjabi songs by creating mixes that could enhance a performance and that works with the team to deliver their best performance. I truly think they both go hand in hand.
That being said, starting in 2016, I will be offering songs to the bhangra circuit (via BTF and Soundcloud) for a fee to use in their mix (homie's gotta eat y'know). I won't be doing full team mixes as I don't really have time to meet and talk to every team who wants a mix, but I can definitely offer my advice and my services to some extent. I really think that a true dancer is influenced by the music and that's what I want to offer you guys: a song that will be unique, designed with you in mind, and a certified BANGER.
Peace and best of luck to everyone who wants to take this art to the next level, Baysikhz
mixes will be much better with Baysikz in them - definitely helped our mix sound good
so i typed the comments below while watching. overall i think you guys could easily improve exponentially next semester by focusing on a few little things. i mostly typed out criticisms below that came to mind while i was watching quickly, but please don't mistake that for me thinking that there wasn't anything positive to look at from your performance!
- when guys are doing dhamaal legs (i noticed this in saaps initially) make sure you are picking your knees up and not kicking your legs out
- props to orange girl for getting up on beat after the slide
- i think the fancy footwork at the end of the kaka rumaal song would hit harder to slower music, some people didn't seem to be keeping up
- i am usually against guy handing girl flower gimmicks, but it actually was a line in the song and you guys did it smoothly in the choreo so i liked it
- the guess gucci song's drop at the chorus should probably be changed to hit harder - there is alot of arm waving pre the drop, then you go into a single jhummar - i think you guys have the ability to do some cooler stuff
- like the use of people moving fast and slow at same time during the second song
- i personally have a pet peeve against people mixing dhamaal/sialkoti/double jhummar, but that's just me and idk what judges really care
- the phumania variations were nice, but it seemed like you did 3 different sets of phumania 16 counts in the same song - again i think your creativity could lend to a better drop of even simple hard hitting bhangra choreo
- for being an ending song, dushmani should probably be mixed with a heavier beat for the type of choreo you are doing -
- id leave the non-props mela people on stage/continuously dancing for the transition into mela, and tighten up the mela formation a bit so it hits harder
almost all of this is based off of how i personally view the set/performance, and im not saying you won't do well if you don't listen to anything listed above! just whatever quick critiques i could offer.
i think overall there were some points where dancers were trying to keep up to the mix and dance energetically, and just lost some of their footwork and base/core form. maybe for practice, slow the mix down a little bit and make sure you guys keep good posture and clean/straight arms, and gradually speed it up - or just do alot of run throughs of individual segments and build your muscle memory for doing things with perfect form so you hit it at end of set too.
good luck and kill it next semester! shout out to davis
for people who are worried that newer dancers don't get to learn bhangra "properly" - lavesh's learn bhangra videos and app are a great resource. lavesh has learned directly from one of PAU's ex-captains and teaches the same stuff he was taught in these vids
- india videos, teams that have done well at that competition in the past, bollywood movies
Do you have a creative process that you go through while making a set?
- think of an idea/move combination/etc i like, find music that fits to it, create choreo that flows around it
How much involvement do other dancers on your team have in the creation process?
- we ask everyone for ideas and contributions, but past a certain point (especially when operating on a time crunch) you kind of have to set up the foundation for the set which other people will definitely improve on as they dance to it and come up with ways to make the ideas better. ask people what their favorite moves are and try to fit them in a set.
How many times do you go back and change the set?
- depending on how much time we have and how problematic certain segments are
Should you change a segment even though you've already taught / cleaned the previous one?
- again depends on timeline, the competition, and how much better the improvement really is based on those factors
How far is too far when trying to emulate or imitate another teams style, formation, moves, etc?
- if someone watches your routine and thinks of someone else, then it's too much. definitely have had problems with this in the past because unfortunately if you watch too many videos you will start thinking along the lines of other teams mindsets. i have directly taken move combinations and choreo straight from india videos before though because i figured if i was going to jack from someone id get the least shiit for that
This entire thread is amazing. Obviously many points have been mentioned year after year, but its felt as though the "community" aspect of of we had a few years back has dwindled. It's great to see this topic being passionately discussed.
@shwinerz - I think the public score card idea you mentioned is actually a great topic we should potentially open up a new thread about. Many have mentioned that the competitiveness has not exactly disappeared, but has changed in some weird ways. Having some sort of public scoring system would be great.
Rough Proposal: - Assign a number of comps to be considered "Top Tier" competitions. - After Top Tier competitions, all videos MUST be released to the public to encourage everyone in the circuit to stay involved and engage in discussion regarding everyone's set. - Some type of public point system or voting to be implemented based upon a virtual simplistic judging form that can be submitted by any member of the community who is legible to vote. - Voting legibility is based on being an active member in the community (kind of like how on BTF we have basic members, full members, etc based upon number of posts)
- All in all, use public judging along with actual judging to distribute points to teams throughout the season. - Leading teams are the ones who get invited to the "allstar" comp such as Elite 8 or whatever. <-- This is the only FAIR way to assign the team's competing at any comp boasting that it has the top teams from the country. Don't worry Canada, we didn't forget about you!
I'm sure some people may be against the video release of their set immediately after a comp, especially earlier in the season... however I think it's important to note that just because a video is released doesn't mean you can't do the set again at the next comp. You still can, however because people have seen it, team's will be more motivated to change and adjust certain elements and potentially add more fire to the segments based upon feedback and crowd/judges reaction for next time. No one expects a brand new set every comp (despite some teams actually being able to do that). But everyone wants to see improvements and slight variations to keep it exciting.
It's a bit rough, but something I'd definitely want to see. I'm part of the DDN (Desi Dance Network) board and if you look at the HFD or Raas circuit, they all have some sort of point system which allows for transparency season by season. It works!
i like the point system thing for sure. i feel like it encourages people to hit up competitions and knowing there is a consistent ranking system or qualification system for some competitions would be kinda cool - sorta similar to how the point system in the ATP (professional tennis) tour works
can we make a separate thread or a sticky where experienced teams or teams who have placed a few times tell their "story"/process/how they practice/etc? of course they can leave out their "secret sauce" (for instance, i give everyone on my team a peck on the lips before and after each all-out run through) - i think it would both be really interesting to read and informative for younger teams or even teams who just want to try something new/get some inspiration/get out of a rut.