* Not limited to just Plastic saaps. No discrimination, this isn't just a modern competition - wooden saaps can compete too. I, for one, prefer my saaps covered in tin foil. Smelling fresh, warm to touch. Also, spicy. Actually, I just prefer burritos.
hahaha! this is too good sir.
Let's add to the criteria: minus points for using the saap before a sher.
Even though this is a pain to do, I'm posting the relevant posts from the shoutbox in chronological order for those that missed the initial posts/wanted to read them. Please continue this discussion here
In the future, let's try to discuss such topics on the forum so that others who don't see the initial posts can also participate.
SGupta7 [19|Apr 04:11 AM]: Kb, they had a pagh issue. Can't say for sure but I think it took them out of the running because it was pretty distracting from the rest of the set
nmistry2 [19|Apr 12:00 PM]: DRP had a guys paghs fall off like everyone knows, they didn't do anything disrespectful but they took a while to take it off stage and it distracted all their dancers
PunjabPolice [19|Apr 01:18 PM]: paghan should never come off
SGupta7 [20|Apr 05:00 PM]: @nmistry what?? the pagh fell off, was left on stage for two minutes and got stepped on. all of this was obviously accidental, but to say that it wasn't disrespectful is just inaccurate. It's unfortunate what happened, especially because i think drp would have placed had the pagh not fallen and been such a distraction during the performance.
Jackie [20|Apr 05:47 PM]: @SGupta7 for further clarification: the pagh fell off during the beginning of our daang segment and remained on the stage for the remainder of it (1 minute). The reason it was difficult to pick it up respectively and place it off stage during that time was because every dancer on stage had a prop in his or her hand. The window for opportunity was also fairly hard because our daang song is very formationally based, we apologize if anyone was offended by efforts.
Jackie [20|Apr 05:48 PM]: *our efforts.
mithu [20|Apr 06:08 PM]: @jackie not really a valid excuse. Paghs > props or w/e is going on. Not sure why this isnt drilled into every dancer (guy or girl).
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 07:20 PM]: Not to beat on this topic too much. In terms of the DRP pugh situation, I'd just like to say that the respect for the pugh should always be prioritized over the set. IMO, a dancer should have picked the pugh up, stop dancing if necessary, and move it to the side. For the future, I'd suggest teams make this a "rule" of sorts before getting on stage. Fortunately pughs don't fall off so often, but teams need to be made aware of the significance a pugh carries before wearing one and going on stage.
SGupta7 [20|Apr 08:20 PM]: @Jackie, I totally understand that, but to me it seemed like there were opportunities. For example, the pagh was clearly quite loose throughout the first minute or two of the set and as an audience member I was immediately nervous because I could see the pagh rising on your dancers forehead. When it fell, it wasn't a surprise. Given that, I think there was a 15-20 second period where your dancer was very close to sidestage and could have danced off, removed the pagh, and come back onto stage. I understand that he tried to salvage the situation, but I think in the end it cost you a placing. I myself have had a pagh come loose during a performance and have had to dance off stage to avoid it falling off.
SGupta7 [20|Apr 08:23 PM]: I realize it's super unfortunate that it happened, but as mentioned above, pagh > everything. It's not about bhangra at that point, but about respect for sikhism. I myself am Hindu Punjabi, so I can't say that I am the best source, but that's the conclusion i've drawn from talking to multiple Sikh Punjabis and learning how they feel about their paghan, in general. A bhangra pagh should be no different. Didn't mean to put anyone on the spot, but I think that the topic is worth further discussion, considering this has happened numerous times at numerous competitions.
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:24 PM]: fawk it shit happens, no harm done to anyone. we can all talk about all the dispect to the pagh and all that all we want, we do plenty of things to disrespect more than just a pagh on a daily basis. DRP can handle this situation on their own, I'm sure they dont need to hear from anyone. Respect to them for coming all the way from cali to, they worked enough and long to preserve respect for the culture, tradition, etc ... one mishap that literally lasted 1 minute during their entire season isnt shit ... the hours and months of practice they put in is all respect to the culture that isnt being credited
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:25 PM]: long enough*
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:33 PM]: on a side note, the pagh isn't all about just wearing something on your head becasue of religion or culture or tradition... it has a lot to do with carrying the honor and valor a pagh was worn in the name of justice and righteousness throughout history, and wearing a pagh is about holding those sacrifices on your head above all else
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:33 PM]: worn with*
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 11:54 PM]: @KarnSingh wasn't trying to discredit all that they
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 11:55 PM]: all that they've done. This is just a good opportunity to remind dancers how to handle the situation better next time.
hardeep_singh [21|Apr 12:28 AM]: it's tough to decide exactly how to react to a moment like that on stage. especially when going to pick up a pagg could throw off other dancers. you also cant really do anything to stop a pagg from coming off once it starts slipping and until it actually comes off you just have to keep dancing and hoping that itll stay on.
hardeep_singh [21|Apr 12:29 AM]: any sort of malfunction on stage is scary as fuck, first time i ever danced my chadra was slipping off the whole set
SGupta7 [21|Apr 12:41 AM]: @KarnSingh, I get what you're saying, but it's really hard to say "shit happens" or like someone else, "nothing disrespectful happened" when to many people, what happened on stage would be seen as a big deal. People are very touchy and protective of religion and traditions, etc. For you and many others, it may not be a big deal. But the opposite is also true. I say play it safe and do what you can to prevent this discussion from even happening.
SGupta7 [21|Apr 12:44 AM]: As far as the performance goes, I think any malfunction should be handled immediately regardless of how it impacts the set. Any good bhangra judge will see a pagh fall off, and assess based on recovery. I can say with almost 100% certainty that had that pagh been removed from stage as soon as it had fallen or right before, DRP would have been in the discussion for a placing. At the very least, it would've been significantly less distracting to the overall set.
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:43 AM]: how bout we all get a life
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:46 AM]: that is to all the people attacking drp
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:46 AM]: lets find something better to do with our time shall we?
SGupta7 [21|Apr 02:10 AM]: not attacking, but i think it's worth the discussion. maybe not for btf chat though.
singh123 [21|Apr 06:26 AM]: "pagh > everything" you can say that again
agoel21 [21|Apr 03:00 PM]: late but I completely agree with Shawn
First off, welcome to BTF Aman-Singh Glad you've become active on the forums. Hope it continues my friend.
I was just waiting for a topic like this to spring up..
I honestly don't feel this is a way to make a direct comparison because there are so many factors that are different between the U.K. and North America (culturally, linguistically, geographically, socioeconomically, etc etc). If you compare with the U.S. alone, then take for instance there are approx 3+ million South Asians in each of our respective countries. This translates to roughly 1% of the population in the U.S. and about 5% of the population in the U.K. To understand concentration of this South Asian population, you have to compare their respective sizes. Do most people realize that the entire country of England can fit into roughly HALF of CALIFORNIA alone? Think about how large North America is in comparison.
Most of the South Asians in North America are concentrated in heavily populated cities. Because of the massive areas where bhangra had to reach in the U.S., a lot of teams that sprung up in the early days were based around universities. This is why super old competitions (20+ years of being active) like "Bhangra Blowout" have only allowed collegiate teams to compete (and continue to do so to this day). On the other hand, in the U.K., you see a lot more independent teams in relation to number of college/university teams.
I feel the U.K. has come a LONG way in a SHORT period of time. It's amazing to see how quickly the circuit grew there and how quickly dancing talent has spread. While the U.K. did have a few teams that date back in the old school days (i.e. 4X4 Bhangra, Nachda Sansaar, etc), most of the teams dancing in their circuit and the competitions that have surfaced, have all been within the last few years. We have to ask ourselves, without a legacy of teams that helped change & evolve bhangra dancing in the U.K. circuit, where did their primary influence come from? I'm actually a bit shocked that the youth of England did not foster such a cultural dance when the top British bhangra artists sprung from the Punjabi diaspora and globalized music starting in the early 80's.
Here in North America, we have come a LONG way in a LONG period of time. There are certain teams still active today who carry legacies from WAY back in the day. I'm dating myself here, but I remember being in high school and watching top univ teams like Cornell Bhangra that would bring so much crazy energy.. throw in crazy stunts.. and get the crowd pumped by sheer nakhre/rumaal action. If you look at academies, there are those like SIAC who date as far back as the 70's! In North America, while teams in Punjab might have been the early influence, I truly feel that we have evolved and tailored the dance to reflect our progressive audiences. There is also various styles present within teams in North America and hence various competitions tailed toward those specific styles.
Nowadays, there are so many teams popping up across the world, that I often feel the newer generation has lost a lot of appreciation for what was established before them. It's a privilege being up on that stage and regardless of which country, university, team, or academy/group you're affiliated with.. you should be thankful for having that opportunity and appreciate how the style of bhangra you love to perform to came where it is today.
Grandpa bhangra signing out,
P.S. - Sorry for the rant. Would love to see more globalization of the circuit as I only think it would help the dance and show audience unique aspects of different countries - U.S., Canada, UK, Punjab, and don't forget out up & coming Australia neighbors
Anyone know of any competitions happening this summer? I feel like its like a drought every year during the summer cause there isn't a lot of competitions happening during the June to August time frame, just during fall/spring time. That would be dope if some organizers made some this summer.... Just sayin.
It makes sense to me anyhow, especially since most university students are off from classes. Anyone feel the same?
Definitely feel the summer time is the "off season" for the bhangra circuit (at least here in NA). Would be great to have at least one major competition.. maybe for the private/non-university affiliated teams?
The late summer/early fall is also a great time to earn some $$$ for doing paid gigs like at weddings and so forth.
On some real, this is my last bhangra mix most likely (unless there's a mixing ladder *wink wink*), but it's been fun doing it and I definitely learned a lot.
This new is so sad to hear Nikhil. Another great mixer leaving us
I always loved to hear what you put out and the creativity that you used. Most of all, your mixes sounded quite clean (i.e. transitions didn't sound "forced"), which means to me that you really worked hard on them.
This "final" Columbia bhangra mix from you is no different - sounds hot and flows so well. Will definitely bump it. Thanks for putting out such great mixes for so many of us to enjoy.
I'm hopeful for another mixing ladder that is bit easier to manage so that you can participate again! Until then, I hope you stick around the forum as you've always participated and given great advice to others in the mixing scene.
AIRPLANE KAATOS! Didn't expect to see that anytime soon, lol.
Checked out this video over my lunch break. Absolutely amazing performance and a treat to watch on youtube. I can't even imagine how insane it must have been in the Lisner auditorium.
Ram really stepped it up and this shows the importance of having your dholi practice to the mix (alone and with the team).
Also, huge respect to the entire FCB team for not even flinching (as scaplash put in) when the music stopped. To remain that in sync and be able to execute so well is a testament to the amount of practice you guys put it. Saap segment was killer, especially since you could hear the props/instruments so well. Good variation of pace, formations were solid, and the ending was great.
Just a few critiques that I quickly noted were energy levels & nakhre varied a lot amongst dancers, especially as they moved to the front and back. There were a few minor chaadra issues here and there. Overall, not a bad performance. Look forward to what you guys bring at upcoming competitions.
Congrats to all teams and respect to the #WBBC committee for always pushing the boundaries with competitions!
The win by JVD is excellent for the UK bhangra scene as well. The win this year is not surprising considering they wow'ed so many people last year as well. Hopefully this will allow even more teams to spring up & even more competitions to take place in England.
I simply request the UK teams and fans to remain humble.. it's not like everyone started from scratch here. We all had a lot of influence. Overall, we should be happy that bhangra is spreading across the globe more rapidly and teams from all over the place are getting so much better.
Anyway, looking forward to reading some competition reviews & seeing the #GTV videos!
Your singer was a treat to hear. Jasraj did great job on dhol.
Dancers did an excellent job in terms of execution, maintaining consistency in dancing style overall, and energy.
For a live performance, I enjoyed the choice of classic boliyan.. the choreography fit really well.. and you guys did a good job of varying up the formations. The ending could have been a tad stronger (imho), but I enjoyed your set and I can see why this placed.
Thank you for taking the time to post this up Sid! Amazingly detailed and well put together.
Would love to read more reviews - either from those that attended the show or dancers.
By the way, did Ram practice dhol with your team a lot to where he just knew the beats for the songs you used? That's definitely clutch and requires a lot of skill to play live when you're used to just playing over a song's beat (like most music-team dholis generally do). As Swi said on fb, chant of the night MVP.. is Ram V
Thank you for detailed review of the competition Sonny! This always helps teams, organizing committees, and gives bhangra fans a perspective of what it was like.
Really wanted to make it down to R2B2 this year to support the teams & competition, but unfortunately I had other priorities (growing up sucks!).
Along with reviewing the events, it would be great to add in critiques that could help other teams out too (like general statements of what you liked/could use improvement from other teams that you saw compete).
There are handful of bhangra teams that attended this year, so it would be great to hear from more dancers! Please comment guys.
Congrats to the placing teams & ty R2B2 committee for putting in the hard work to organize this Texas competition.
Also, if practically anybody searched the Media Center, there has been a lot of content shared by other individuals over time.. it just might be a bit more buried (in other words, you'll have to search for specific things).
Honestly, I think there are a lot of files out there already out there if a new mixer is really searching for it on on BTF/Google/etc. As far as tips/hints, if you want to compile a compilation of what's currently out there, we could consider pinning that as well - but I think that's part of the entire learning process.. not everything is going to be spelled out for you nor is someone going to take your hand and walk you through everything Your ability to search for content & use tutorials from various places is a big part of being an "online DJ."
I don't mind offering some quick feedback on BTF (when I have the time), but a lot of the mixes just sound so much of the "same." Maybe that's part of the reason why people may hesitate to share their loops/samples/etc as much as mentioned by the OP (shwinerz).
There are often a lot of the same big mistakes being repeated over & over again.. like if one goes through other mixing topics on BTF where people have commented, you can listen to someone's mix and read over the comments people have provided. That alone should help you improve on the major ideas.
As much as I agree with everyone that practice makes perfect (making a ton of mixes is always good), I also believe that implementing a lot of what you learn (i.e. via websites, youtube tutorials,etc) and continuously pushing yourself to have a distance/unique sound is very important. Who cares if not everyone loves every part of your mix - the whole point is to push your mixing ability and display your creativity.
I was hoping the BTF Mixing Ladder that we had allowed some DJ's to get more exposure, show their creativity, and get some feedback along the way. It definitely required a bit more "hustle" since DJ's/mixers only had about a week to come up with something.. but maybe if we can get the monthly mixing contest going (go Swi go! ), which might be better suited for BTF because there won't be as much "administrative" work like we faced with the previous mixing ladder.
Anyway, there are lot of great comments stated by the individuals above, so I don't want to sound like a broken record. Hope this helps.