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Even though this is a pain to do, I'm posting the relevant posts from the shoutbox in chronological order for those that missed the initial posts/wanted to read them. Please continue this discussion here
In the future, let's try to discuss such topics on the forum so that others who don't see the initial posts can also participate.
In the future, let's try to discuss such topics on the forum so that others who don't see the initial posts can also participate.
SGupta7 [19|Apr 04:11 AM]: Kb, they had a pagh issue. Can't say for sure but I think it took them out of the running because it was pretty distracting from the rest of the set
nmistry2 [19|Apr 12:00 PM]: DRP had a guys paghs fall off like everyone knows, they didn't do anything disrespectful but they took a while to take it off stage and it distracted all their dancers
PunjabPolice [19|Apr 01:18 PM]: paghan should never come off
SGupta7 [20|Apr 05:00 PM]: @nmistry what?? the pagh fell off, was left on stage for two minutes and got stepped on. all of this was obviously accidental, but to say that it wasn't disrespectful is just inaccurate. It's unfortunate what happened, especially because i think drp would have placed had the pagh not fallen and been such a distraction during the performance.
Jackie [20|Apr 05:47 PM]: @SGupta7 for further clarification: the pagh fell off during the beginning of our daang segment and remained on the stage for the remainder of it (1 minute). The reason it was difficult to pick it up respectively and place it off stage during that time was because every dancer on stage had a prop in his or her hand. The window for opportunity was also fairly hard because our daang song is very formationally based, we apologize if anyone was offended by efforts.
Jackie [20|Apr 05:48 PM]: *our efforts.
mithu [20|Apr 06:08 PM]: @jackie not really a valid excuse. Paghs > props or w/e is going on. Not sure why this isnt drilled into every dancer (guy or girl).
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 07:20 PM]: Not to beat on this topic too much. In terms of the DRP pugh situation, I'd just like to say that the respect for the pugh should always be prioritized over the set. IMO, a dancer should have picked the pugh up, stop dancing if necessary, and move it to the side. For the future, I'd suggest teams make this a "rule" of sorts before getting on stage. Fortunately pughs don't fall off so often, but teams need to be made aware of the significance a pugh carries before wearing one and going on stage.
SGupta7 [20|Apr 08:20 PM]: @Jackie, I totally understand that, but to me it seemed like there were opportunities. For example, the pagh was clearly quite loose throughout the first minute or two of the set and as an audience member I was immediately nervous because I could see the pagh rising on your dancers forehead. When it fell, it wasn't a surprise. Given that, I think there was a 15-20 second period where your dancer was very close to sidestage and could have danced off, removed the pagh, and come back onto stage. I understand that he tried to salvage the situation, but I think in the end it cost you a placing. I myself have had a pagh come loose during a performance and have had to dance off stage to avoid it falling off.
SGupta7 [20|Apr 08:23 PM]: I realize it's super unfortunate that it happened, but as mentioned above, pagh > everything. It's not about bhangra at that point, but about respect for sikhism. I myself am Hindu Punjabi, so I can't say that I am the best source, but that's the conclusion i've drawn from talking to multiple Sikh Punjabis and learning how they feel about their paghan, in general. A bhangra pagh should be no different. Didn't mean to put anyone on the spot, but I think that the topic is worth further discussion, considering this has happened numerous times at numerous competitions.
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:24 PM]: fawk it shit happens, no harm done to anyone. we can all talk about all the dispect to the pagh and all that all we want, we do plenty of things to disrespect more than just a pagh on a daily basis. DRP can handle this situation on their own, I'm sure they dont need to hear from anyone. Respect to them for coming all the way from cali to, they worked enough and long to preserve respect for the culture, tradition, etc ... one mishap that literally lasted 1 minute during their entire season isnt shit ... the hours and months of practice they put in is all respect to the culture that isnt being credited
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:25 PM]: long enough*
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:33 PM]: on a side note, the pagh isn't all about just wearing something on your head becasue of religion or culture or tradition... it has a lot to do with carrying the honor and valor a pagh was worn in the name of justice and righteousness throughout history, and wearing a pagh is about holding those sacrifices on your head above all else
KarnSingh [20|Apr 11:33 PM]: worn with*
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 11:54 PM]: @KarnSingh wasn't trying to discredit all that they
puttsardar98 [20|Apr 11:55 PM]: all that they've done. This is just a good opportunity to remind dancers how to handle the situation better next time.
hardeep_singh [21|Apr 12:28 AM]: it's tough to decide exactly how to react to a moment like that on stage. especially when going to pick up a pagg could throw off other dancers. you also cant really do anything to stop a pagg from coming off once it starts slipping and until it actually comes off you just have to keep dancing and hoping that itll stay on.
hardeep_singh [21|Apr 12:29 AM]: any sort of malfunction on stage is scary as fuck, first time i ever danced my chadra was slipping off the whole set
SGupta7 [21|Apr 12:41 AM]: @KarnSingh, I get what you're saying, but it's really hard to say "shit happens" or like someone else, "nothing disrespectful happened" when to many people, what happened on stage would be seen as a big deal. People are very touchy and protective of religion and traditions, etc. For you and many others, it may not be a big deal. But the opposite is also true. I say play it safe and do what you can to prevent this discussion from even happening.
SGupta7 [21|Apr 12:44 AM]: As far as the performance goes, I think any malfunction should be handled immediately regardless of how it impacts the set. Any good bhangra judge will see a pagh fall off, and assess based on recovery. I can say with almost 100% certainty that had that pagh been removed from stage as soon as it had fallen or right before, DRP would have been in the discussion for a placing. At the very least, it would've been significantly less distracting to the overall set.
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:43 AM]: how bout we all get a life
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:46 AM]: that is to all the people attacking drp
The Honest Truth [21|Apr 01:46 AM]: lets find something better to do with our time shall we?
SGupta7 [21|Apr 02:10 AM]: not attacking, but i think it's worth the discussion. maybe not for btf chat though.
singh123 [21|Apr 06:26 AM]: "pagh > everything" you can say that again
agoel21 [21|Apr 03:00 PM]: late but I completely agree with Shawn