should girls be allowed to do live.?

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girls seem to do live now days but judges don't accept the fact they dance at all? So what's the point of going to a comp to lose. Either the judges should accept this new reality or these girls teams are wasting ur time.. As stated by nachda judges 2010 "girls shouldn't do bhangras"
 

mithu

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legacybhangrakrew said:
girls seem to do live now days but judges don't accept the fact they dance at all? So what's the point of going to a comp to lose. Either the judges should accept this new reality or these girls teams are wasting ur time.. As stated by nachda judges 2010 "girls shouldn't do bhangras"

wow thats straight up sexist. Why cant they? Is there a written rule somewhere? Girls should be able to do bhangra if they want or not......thats like telling white guys they cant do bhangra because they are white.
 

Maheep

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thats stupid bro (or sis in this case)
the girls teams for bhangra are 2wice as better as some guys teams
also whats the point of going to comp with all guys what are we supposed to do there?
 

Kohi-AK-Noor

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hearing stuff like this, esspeacially when comes to bhangra really ticks me off. I don't know anyone that would say girls can't do bhangra
 

monisingh

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yes they should be, im not very religious but I know the judges are most likely sikh and in sikhi women have equal status like men so if they say no then they are going against our religions teachings, but come on its girls that want to do live let them do it, as long as its not a garba and bhangra fusion thing...
 

mithu

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monisingh said:
yes they should be, im not very religious but I know the judges are most likely sikh and in sikhi women have equal status like men so if they say no then they are going against our religions teachings, but come on its girls that want to do live let them do it, as long as its not a garba and bhangra fusion thing...

bhangra has nothing to do w/ sikhism.....
 

monisingh

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mithu said:
monisingh said:
yes they should be, im not very religious but I know the judges are most likely sikh and in sikhi women have equal status like men so if they say no then they are going against our religions teachings, but come on its girls that want to do live let them do it, as long as its not a garba and bhangra fusion thing...

bhangra has nothing to do w/ sikhism.....

I know that but what im trying to say is a lot of the people who are saying girls should not be allowed are people like our fathers, grandfathers and people who are so far stuck up their ass when it comes to altering a tradition where it is mainly men doing bhangra and women doing giddha , I don`t ever hear of anyone complaining when a guy does giddha ( they only do this england just youtube some england teams and you will see ). ever go to india during wedding season ? their is rarely a girl on the dance floor and also not to be a fan boy but look at lilly or superwoman she talked about how her parents did not want her to do bhangra in one of her videos at first and a lot of the judges are sikh, as well as the dancers, and the parents and relatives so if they say no, then they are not giving equal status to women. and we all know how devout some teams and judges are yet they don`t look at thing differently.
 

mithu

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monisingh said:
mithu said:
monisingh said:
yes they should be, im not very religious but I know the judges are most likely sikh and in sikhi women have equal status like men so if they say no then they are going against our religions teachings, but come on its girls that want to do live let them do it, as long as its not a garba and bhangra fusion thing...

bhangra has nothing to do w/ sikhism.....

yeah i know what you mean. Thats just punjabi traditions, not religion. But I understand what you mean.


I know that but what im trying to say is a lot of the people who are saying girls should not be allowed are people like our fathers, grandfathers and people who are so far stuck up their ass when it comes to altering a tradition where it is mainly men doing bhangra and women doing giddha , I don`t ever hear of anyone complaining when a guy does giddha ( they only do this england just youtube some england teams and you will see ). ever go to india during wedding season ? their is rarely a girl on the dance floor and also not to be a fan boy but look at lilly or superwoman she talked about how her parents did not want her to do bhangra in one of her videos at first and a lot of the judges are sikh, as well as the dancers, and the parents and relatives so if they say no, then they are not giving equal status to women. and we all know how devout some teams and judges are yet they don`t look at thing differently.
 

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It's not about equality in many cases. What they're afraid of is the image of girls dancing while drunk men cheer them on with sexual connotation behind it. (one of the more prominent reasons I got from talking to people who don't like bhangra/girls doing bhangra).
 

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GSingh said:
It's not about equality in many cases. What they're afraid of is the image of girls dancing while drunk men cheer them on with sexual connotation behind it. (one of the more prominent reasons I got from talking to people who don't like bhangra/girls doing bhangra).
Rather than dealing with the drunks they resort to telling women not to do something. It is the same logic that says women shouldn't leave the home or have jobs. This question is silly, because it assumes women need to be told what to do. They are allowed to do whatever they want, no one has control over their actions.
 

GSingh

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HarmanSingh said:
GSingh said:
It's not about equality in many cases. What they're afraid of is the image of girls dancing while drunk men cheer them on with sexual connotation behind it. (one of the more prominent reasons I got from talking to people who don't like bhangra/girls doing bhangra).
Rather than dealing with the drunks they resort to telling women not to do something. It is the same logic that says women shouldn't leave the home or have jobs. This question is silly, because it assumes women need to be told what to do. They are allowed to do whatever they want, no one has control over their actions.
Guess which one's easier to control... their daughters or random drunks? ;)
 

KDave

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As a girl who does live bhangra and started out competing with AMPD (all girls live team), we have always faced judges at every comp in California who has some sexist point of view. And when one of the judges told us at Nachda Punjab 2010 that girls should not be doing live bhangra or bhangra at all, it struck us hard. However, that night changed our team in a good way. We became much more confident and motivated to strive and improve from our mistakes. We dont compare ourselves to other male live teams- yes, we do have to see what they have to offer, but in the end live bhangra is a general thing.
It is a positive activity which people love to do. If males have passion for it then y should they care if woman perform it? If male judges love live bhangra and the tradition behind it then they should not care who performs it, but who comes out the best either all male, co-ed , or all girls team. Now, when we hear a judge briefly talk about us girls doing live we ignore it. It is old news for us.

It sucks because committee members choose female judges as well which seems fair, but honestly the male judges take over. We talked to a woman judge from a past recent comp in California, and when we went to the hotel we saw her. We came up to her and talked to her about the competition and how she liked it. She was very depressed and she said that she does not want to judge anymore because of the politics behind judging with male judges. She said that her idea of placings were very different and she felt as if the male judges took over her judgement.

We do live bhangra to show the world that girls doing live bhangra is accepted and should be in everyones eyes. We do it because we love traditional bhangra and the meaning behind it. We dont go to comps for placings at all... if we place then we know we deserved it and if we did not place then we know we need to work harder.

We always hear that some moves we do, like dhmaal or jugni, should not be performed by us, however, we believe that if we want to do live bhangra we either do it all or not. We cant take out segments just because some people think it looks wrong for us to do. That is not traditional bhangra. There are certain things that have to be done in a live set. If we can perform the moves with our style and if it is on point then why should it matter if we perform it?

When we went to Canada for RPVD 2 weekends ago, it was a very different environment. The people respect girls doing bhangra to the top. We were so surprised and happy with the amount of support we received there. After the show, the judges came up to us. They were honest and told us our mistakes to help us improve, but at the same time they told us that we r on the right track and deserved the 2nd placing that we received. I wish California male judges had the same mind set as Canadian judges, but that is just something we will have to work with and have been.

It will take alot to change some of the sexist, male judges opinions, but it will happen with everyones support and hopefully there will be more girls live teams!
Of course there are ppl who disagree with girls doing live and we respect that, but when it comes to competitions male judges should be open- minded and they should realize that this is a different time where woman have power in the circuit.
 

ENVY BANG-RUH

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Women are allowed to play pro sports.

Women are allowed to fight on national tv.

Women are allowed to join the military/gov't services (police, firefighters, emt's)

Women have every right to dance live.

IMHO
 

Ashveer

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KDave said:
As a girl who does live bhangra and started out competing with AMPD (all girls live team), we have always faced judges at every comp in California who has some sexist point of view. And when one of the judges told us at Nachda Punjab 2010 that girls should not be doing live bhangra or bhangra at all, it struck us hard. However, that night changed our team in a good way. We became much more confident and motivated to strive and improve from our mistakes. We dont compare ourselves to other male live teams- yes, we do have to see what they have to offer, but in the end live bhangra is a general thing.
It is a positive activity which people love to do. If males have passion for it then y should they care if woman perform it? If male judges love live bhangra and the tradition behind it then they should not care who performs it, but who comes out the best either all male, co-ed , or all girls team. Now, when we hear a judge briefly talk about us girls doing live we ignore it. It is old news for us.

It sucks because committee members choose female judges as well which seems fair, but honestly the male judges take over. We talked to a woman judge from a past recent comp in California, and when we went to the hotel we saw her. We came up to her and talked to her about the competition and how she liked it. She was very depressed and she said that she does not want to judge anymore because of the politics behind judging with male judges. She said that her idea of placings were very different and she felt as if the male judges took over her judgement.

We do live bhangra to show the world that girls doing live bhangra is accepted and should be in everyones eyes. We do it because we love traditional bhangra and the meaning behind it. We dont go to comps for placings at all... if we place then we know we deserved it and if we did not place then we know we need to work harder.

We always hear that some moves we do, like dhmaal or jugni, should not be performed by us, however, we believe that if we want to do live bhangra we either do it all or not. We cant take out segments just because some people think it looks wrong for us to do. That is not traditional bhangra. There are certain things that have to be done in a live set. If we can perform the moves with our style and if it is on point then why should it matter if we perform it?

When we went to Canada for RPVD 2 weekends ago, it was a very different environment. The people respect girls doing bhangra to the top. We were so surprised and happy with the amount of support we received there. After the show, the judges came up to us. They were honest and told us our mistakes to help us improve, but at the same time they told us that we r on the right track and deserved the 2nd placing that we received. I wish California male judges had the same mind set as Canadian judges, but that is just something we will have to work with and have been.

It will take alot to change some of the sexist, male judges opinions, but it will happen with everyones support and hopefully there will be more girls live teams!
Of course there are ppl who disagree with girls doing live and we respect that, but when it comes to competitions male judges should be open- minded and they should realize that this is a different time where woman have power in the circuit.
The more you think about it, there is a strong tradition of all-girls teams rocking their shit like this and not giving a flying fuck about judging.
+1
 

saujla15

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Didn't wanna quote everything you had to say Kav, but you pretty much summed up what I had to say :)


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nine16jatt

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This has nothing to do with RELIGION. This is all based on cultural ideas back in the day. From previous generations it has been that men are the dominant figure and on a higher rank than the women.. so from one generation to another it gets passed down.. BUT now this has been slowly changing which is a GOOD thing more and more people are seeing that guys and girls are equal and should receive equal treatment... so should girls do live bhangra hell yea let them enjoy it... its part of their culture as well... older generation was very biased and thats how it still is in some families but slowly and slowly the younger generation is changing this for the better
 

KDave

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nine16jatt said:
This has nothing to do with RELIGION. This is all based on cultural ideas back in the day. From previous generations it has been that men are the dominant figure and on a higher rank than the women.. so from one generation to another it gets passed down.. BUT now this has been slowly changing which is a GOOD thing more and more people are seeing that guys and girls are equal and should receive equal treatment... so should girls do live bhangra hell yea let them enjoy it... its part of their culture as well... older generation was very biased and thats how it still is in some families but slowly and slowly the younger generation is changing this for the better
EXACTLYY. Thank u
 

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In regards to the comment made about the AMPD performance at RPVD, I strongly believe you guys deserved first place. They stole it from you guys by giving it to Kohinoor (who shouldn't have placed at all...but that's a story for a different day). You guys executed brilliantly and deserved to win. Keep up the practicing and determination to not take no for an answer and you will slowly start to win over the judges down in Cali. They can't ignore talent for very long. This team is the future of girls bhangra on the circuit and you ladies are killing it right now!
Red jodi what uupppp! Sooo dope! ;)
 

sgrewal30

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legacybhangrakrew said:
girls seem to do live now days but judges don't accept the fact they dance at all? So what's the point of going to a comp to lose. Either the judges should accept this new reality or these girls teams are wasting ur time.. As stated by nachda judges 2010 "girls shouldn't do bhangras"
i agree, fix the judging bias or tell girls not to waste their money applying.
 
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