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OFFICIAL VIBC 2009 RESULTS DISCUSSION
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Definitely one of the, if not the best competition I have been fortunate enough to participate in. Big ups to VIBC for putting on an entire week's worth of extraordinary events. And of course to all of the teams, every single one, who through their optimism and friendliness made this competition a showcase.
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-Competition itself started on time which was awsome.
- The MC's were great one of which was Peter from Khalsa Junction.
- Apna Sangeet/ Heera group were awsome, it was great to hear classic songs. really got the crowd going
-H Dhami was great, everytime Peter said ' Hhhhh' the girls started screaming ahah
Teams
Cornell- opend the show, 8 guys. Chadre were poorly tied, and 2 guys started walking a few minutes in. Other then that it was a ok performance, thought choreography was lacking a bit.
Michigan- 12 pl, they got new vardiya which were more traditional , nice to see. They danced to 101 songs in their routine, it was really annoying actually. Overall you guys ,have improved soo much, your dancers have gotten stronger. It was clean, no messups. energetic.
DRP 16- It was the DDA routine, it was sick. Normal DRP, the energy, the formations, being clean. The girl on the stunt fell though. First team to get the crowd going. Their isnt one negative thing to say about them. Kabaddi 'popcorn' jumps were sickkk. Overall a AWSOME performnace. They know what they are good at and do it well.
Boston12- new vardiyan, no longer in black and red but in jodiyan, but yo common those turle?, gotta be kidding me. Honestly prolly the weakest perfromance of the night. Energy was their, and the mix sounded good. But your choreography needs to be worked on, it was very 1999 Everything was all over the place, at times I didnt know what the move was suppose to be. You guys need to up your game, b/c the competition out their is tough. One girl in the pink stood out.
Bruin Bhangra 12- I dont remeber them, I know their vardiya were gold and turquoise but nothing else, oh and half the team started waling, I think I lost interest at that point.
Empire12 Empire is another one of those teams, who have found their niche/ what they are good at
-They started off with the gils under black tables to the audience, then the music went ' bring em out', the tables were moves, girls pop out
- formations were sick, they did rail gaddi
- had a stunt section int he middle
- guys took off their vests and the letters on their back spelled out ' Canada'
- at the end, girls had shikke, guys had 'khunde'. But then a big boom, and those khunde were actually folded up 'panels. Spelled out Empire in big silver letters, and was thrown in front of the girls, so it coverd up each jodi. By the end of all the pannels coming down, you could no longer see any dancers b/c they were coverd.
- first place perfromance without a doubt
- I have never seen the whole crowd get up and give a standing ovation before. From little kids to uncles/aunties.
United8- Best set by united to date in terms of formations, chorographya nd song choice
- they were all live as usual
- the female singer sabrina killed it, she was awsome.
- 3 turle came undone, one was pretty much fully out
- shikke locked on stage
- super, chandan, guriqbal woohooo (panj)
- they had the crowd support and overall did a awsome job, my fav performance by united so far, other then the turle coming out.
VCU 12- Same set as DDA I think
- during the opening speech they had 'Joker' come out, he also came out int he end and dacned with them
- VCU did vcu, the formations, traditonal to the max, immaculate execution.
- I wasnt too wowed, but I think thats b/c I have watche their recent videos way too many times, so it takes away the wow factor for me personally b/c I have watched their routine 100 times before seeing it live lol
-Crowd chanted VCU
We all know VIBC is a competition which is heavily focused on entertainment. It came down to Empire, VCU, DRP, United.
My placings-Empire and DRP, both had sick sets with great execution. But as I said Empire had the creativity, got the standing ovation so first was theirs without a doubt.
- VCU was 2nd without a doubt
-United 3rd
**Way to late to check for grammer errors/spelling sorry
- The MC's were great one of which was Peter from Khalsa Junction.
- Apna Sangeet/ Heera group were awsome, it was great to hear classic songs. really got the crowd going
-H Dhami was great, everytime Peter said ' Hhhhh' the girls started screaming ahah
Teams
Cornell- opend the show, 8 guys. Chadre were poorly tied, and 2 guys started walking a few minutes in. Other then that it was a ok performance, thought choreography was lacking a bit.
Michigan- 12 pl, they got new vardiya which were more traditional , nice to see. They danced to 101 songs in their routine, it was really annoying actually. Overall you guys ,have improved soo much, your dancers have gotten stronger. It was clean, no messups. energetic.
DRP 16- It was the DDA routine, it was sick. Normal DRP, the energy, the formations, being clean. The girl on the stunt fell though. First team to get the crowd going. Their isnt one negative thing to say about them. Kabaddi 'popcorn' jumps were sickkk. Overall a AWSOME performnace. They know what they are good at and do it well.
Boston12- new vardiyan, no longer in black and red but in jodiyan, but yo common those turle?, gotta be kidding me. Honestly prolly the weakest perfromance of the night. Energy was their, and the mix sounded good. But your choreography needs to be worked on, it was very 1999 Everything was all over the place, at times I didnt know what the move was suppose to be. You guys need to up your game, b/c the competition out their is tough. One girl in the pink stood out.
Bruin Bhangra 12- I dont remeber them, I know their vardiya were gold and turquoise but nothing else, oh and half the team started waling, I think I lost interest at that point.
Empire12 Empire is another one of those teams, who have found their niche/ what they are good at
-They started off with the gils under black tables to the audience, then the music went ' bring em out', the tables were moves, girls pop out
- formations were sick, they did rail gaddi
- had a stunt section int he middle
- guys took off their vests and the letters on their back spelled out ' Canada'
- at the end, girls had shikke, guys had 'khunde'. But then a big boom, and those khunde were actually folded up 'panels. Spelled out Empire in big silver letters, and was thrown in front of the girls, so it coverd up each jodi. By the end of all the pannels coming down, you could no longer see any dancers b/c they were coverd.
- first place perfromance without a doubt
- I have never seen the whole crowd get up and give a standing ovation before. From little kids to uncles/aunties.
United8- Best set by united to date in terms of formations, chorographya nd song choice
- they were all live as usual
- the female singer sabrina killed it, she was awsome.
- 3 turle came undone, one was pretty much fully out
- shikke locked on stage
- super, chandan, guriqbal woohooo (panj)
- they had the crowd support and overall did a awsome job, my fav performance by united so far, other then the turle coming out.
VCU 12- Same set as DDA I think
- during the opening speech they had 'Joker' come out, he also came out int he end and dacned with them
- VCU did vcu, the formations, traditonal to the max, immaculate execution.
- I wasnt too wowed, but I think thats b/c I have watche their recent videos way too many times, so it takes away the wow factor for me personally b/c I have watched their routine 100 times before seeing it live lol
-Crowd chanted VCU
We all know VIBC is a competition which is heavily focused on entertainment. It came down to Empire, VCU, DRP, United.
My placings-Empire and DRP, both had sick sets with great execution. But as I said Empire had the creativity, got the standing ovation so first was theirs without a doubt.
- VCU was 2nd without a doubt
-United 3rd
**Way to late to check for grammer errors/spelling sorry
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Cornell - All guys, simple choreo, energy was lacking. Nothing that got the crowd into it. Small errors got in the way of it being a nice cohesive dance to watch. A couple decent guy dancers. (C)
Michigan - Outfits improved, the rest took a step back from Fusion last year. Slow for most of it, and not enough people on the team. Lots of small errors as well. Nothing exciting until the M at the end, same intro as last year (pretty nice), no dancers stood out in a good way. (C+)
DRP - Brought it as they usually do. Crowd got behind them, lots of energy, nice formations. Don't love their vardiyaan, and they dropped a stunt, which probably cost them a placing. They need to bring something new/extra to remain at the top. (B)
Boston - New vardiyaan (thank god), but the dance still wasn't there. Guys are pretty strong and dance with purpose, but the choreo is lacking in comparison to the rest of the field. Still need to adapt to the new time. (D)
Bruin - From UCLA? Their dancers need to tighten up their movements, show more control and grace. Where else has this team competed? College teams (Michigan/Bruin/etc.) often have a tough time because their dancers are inexperienced and need a lot of refining. Song selection also is an area that could be improved a lot. (C-)
United - Dancers are very natural and entertaining, sarangi player is fantastic, great singers as well. Their traditionality was a huge contrast to the teams that preceded them, which gave them an edge. Toss-up between United and DRP for a 3rd place finish. (B)
Empire - Empire vs. DRP is always fun to watch. Both have incredible formations and lots of energy. Choreo could be improved, but song selection was excellent. Rail gaddi got the crowd into it, stunts were on point, and they fed off the crowd energy. Showed immediately their confidence and you could tell they would place. (A-)
VCU - These placings were difficult. VCU and Empire are starkly different teams, with Empire excelling in formations and "gimmicks" and VCU thriving on great performers and solid choreo. I must say their Joker gimmick was awesome, crowd ate it up, and I thought they would win it because of that. Going last is hard because the crowd tends to get tired by then, but they pulled it off well. Easily a top 2 team, probably the #1 team there. (A)
As you can see, my placings were:
1) VCU
2) Empire
3) DRP / United
Michigan - Outfits improved, the rest took a step back from Fusion last year. Slow for most of it, and not enough people on the team. Lots of small errors as well. Nothing exciting until the M at the end, same intro as last year (pretty nice), no dancers stood out in a good way. (C+)
DRP - Brought it as they usually do. Crowd got behind them, lots of energy, nice formations. Don't love their vardiyaan, and they dropped a stunt, which probably cost them a placing. They need to bring something new/extra to remain at the top. (B)
Boston - New vardiyaan (thank god), but the dance still wasn't there. Guys are pretty strong and dance with purpose, but the choreo is lacking in comparison to the rest of the field. Still need to adapt to the new time. (D)
Bruin - From UCLA? Their dancers need to tighten up their movements, show more control and grace. Where else has this team competed? College teams (Michigan/Bruin/etc.) often have a tough time because their dancers are inexperienced and need a lot of refining. Song selection also is an area that could be improved a lot. (C-)
United - Dancers are very natural and entertaining, sarangi player is fantastic, great singers as well. Their traditionality was a huge contrast to the teams that preceded them, which gave them an edge. Toss-up between United and DRP for a 3rd place finish. (B)
Empire - Empire vs. DRP is always fun to watch. Both have incredible formations and lots of energy. Choreo could be improved, but song selection was excellent. Rail gaddi got the crowd into it, stunts were on point, and they fed off the crowd energy. Showed immediately their confidence and you could tell they would place. (A-)
VCU - These placings were difficult. VCU and Empire are starkly different teams, with Empire excelling in formations and "gimmicks" and VCU thriving on great performers and solid choreo. I must say their Joker gimmick was awesome, crowd ate it up, and I thought they would win it because of that. Going last is hard because the crowd tends to get tired by then, but they pulled it off well. Easily a top 2 team, probably the #1 team there. (A)
As you can see, my placings were:
1) VCU
2) Empire
3) DRP / United
faizan
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Here are my thoughts on the empire v. vcu stuff.
1. vcu is my favorite team, hands down so this isn't hate.
VCU is traditional, sort of, so why is every saying oh Empire isn't traditional, they shouldn't place over VCU...if empire was placing over RPD it would be another story. At the same time, if VCU was placing over RPD, it would be a slap in the face of bhangra.
Also, did you guys see the line up for VIBC? Why is everyone so shocked...it was an ultra modern competition, I mean Boston Bhangra got in, BOSTON BHANGRA, they are one of the most modern teams on the circuit. Obviously Empire, with their modern w-coast style would take it. The judges were probably tailored for a modern competition anyway.
Last, Empire is decent, I don't like their style personally, but they are entertaining, just like Sher is entertaining, and everyone has been on their nuts for years. Don't now get all pissed because another team is entertaining, but call it "too modern".
look I can see why people are pissed, I thought VCU topped empire at boston, but there are other things that go into judge scoresheets, half of them have nothing to do with choreo or traditionality...it always amazes me why people get shocked by judging...it isn't about the final product on youtube, it is about execution, this is a dance competition people!
Also VCU, I love you guys, your set is amazing, but get a new one...
1. vcu is my favorite team, hands down so this isn't hate.
VCU is traditional, sort of, so why is every saying oh Empire isn't traditional, they shouldn't place over VCU...if empire was placing over RPD it would be another story. At the same time, if VCU was placing over RPD, it would be a slap in the face of bhangra.
Also, did you guys see the line up for VIBC? Why is everyone so shocked...it was an ultra modern competition, I mean Boston Bhangra got in, BOSTON BHANGRA, they are one of the most modern teams on the circuit. Obviously Empire, with their modern w-coast style would take it. The judges were probably tailored for a modern competition anyway.
Last, Empire is decent, I don't like their style personally, but they are entertaining, just like Sher is entertaining, and everyone has been on their nuts for years. Don't now get all pissed because another team is entertaining, but call it "too modern".
look I can see why people are pissed, I thought VCU topped empire at boston, but there are other things that go into judge scoresheets, half of them have nothing to do with choreo or traditionality...it always amazes me why people get shocked by judging...it isn't about the final product on youtube, it is about execution, this is a dance competition people!
Also VCU, I love you guys, your set is amazing, but get a new one...
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What everyone forgets is that this is a BHANGRA Comp not a dance comp!
Karan V
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empire was insanne. they had a whole new set and there formationwere sickk. but i still think vcu shuld have gotten first. set was pretty much the same as the ones before but changed it up a little.thejoker was insane. had the crowd going. the crowd freakin loved empire. no other team got as much support as them.
and also drp was enternaing as hell. loved the domino effect jumping thingy.
i got all the videos if any team wants it or doesnt want it up just msg me.
and also drp was enternaing as hell. loved the domino effect jumping thingy.
i got all the videos if any team wants it or doesnt want it up just msg me.
prince108
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Comp was okkay it wuznt that entertaining except the last 3 teams. Some seats were empty i think it was because of the lack of local teams. Placings were pretty fair and I could see empire placing over VCU because VIBC is not the most traditional competition. However if u had a more tradional competiton i can see VCU placings over empire with the same routine.
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There is only one way to do bhangra. There is no use in calling the right way of doing bhangra, traditional. ...if you want to fuse your routine with formations from raas videos, ideas from cheerleading videos, and distort bhangra moves so you look like sarina jain or like you're skiing, then go apply to a fusion or other dance competition. Im sure empire will also place first at BOB when the time comes. At a bhangra competition, people who have knowledge about bhangra don't care to see girls appear from underneath a table or get flipped. There is nothing bhangra about that. Sure, it might be entertaining, Empire is very good at what they do, Im not taking that away from them and Im not surprised that the audience gave them a standing ovation; what else do you expect from aunties and uncles who don't know anything about bhangra and have never seen anything like that before? But for judges to be influences by crowd response is pretty saddening.
Faizan, if VCU placed over a team like RPD, that would not be a slap in the face of bhangra. They do bhangra the way its supposed to be done and its entertaining at the same time. You want to know the amazing thing? They're a co-ed team. The girls do bhangra the way girls should do bhangra and they are incredible dancers at that. Their formations are as good, if not better than empire AND they do this in jodis. Meaning they have 6 pairs of people wearing different colours. Meaning their formations have to be carefully constructed so all colours are coordinated and symmetrical. THAT takes skill, that is very hard to do. Oh and by the way, along with these formations you have choreography that not only is very challenging, but all 12 of their dancers execute the hell out of these moves that results in a beautiful end product. THAT takes skill. Now why can't the judges see that? Whats it going to take for VCU to beat empire?
What is so hard about what empire does? They copy formations and ideas from different artforms. Im sure drawing out formations is a breeze for them since everyone wears the same colour and they don't dance in jodis. They have novice, "average at best" choreography. They have a bunch of gimmicks that get the crowd going, great. But what about actual bhangra? I can honestly say that there are maybe 3 or 4 dancers out of 12 that are actually top notch dancers and know what they're doing and look good. Overall, their gimmicks and formations take away from the lack of skill on this team.
If you compare the level of difficulty in VCU's routine to Empire's, VCU wins any day. VCU sticks to the criteria and that is to do BHANGRA. They execute flawlessly, they're creative, they're entertaining, and most importantly, they keep it folk. I would really like to hear from the judges, the logic behind placings empire over vcu 3 times in a row.
I know I've expressed my opinion about that before, and it might sound like im beating a dead horse, but yea, this is starting to get pretty sad.
Faizan, if VCU placed over a team like RPD, that would not be a slap in the face of bhangra. They do bhangra the way its supposed to be done and its entertaining at the same time. You want to know the amazing thing? They're a co-ed team. The girls do bhangra the way girls should do bhangra and they are incredible dancers at that. Their formations are as good, if not better than empire AND they do this in jodis. Meaning they have 6 pairs of people wearing different colours. Meaning their formations have to be carefully constructed so all colours are coordinated and symmetrical. THAT takes skill, that is very hard to do. Oh and by the way, along with these formations you have choreography that not only is very challenging, but all 12 of their dancers execute the hell out of these moves that results in a beautiful end product. THAT takes skill. Now why can't the judges see that? Whats it going to take for VCU to beat empire?
What is so hard about what empire does? They copy formations and ideas from different artforms. Im sure drawing out formations is a breeze for them since everyone wears the same colour and they don't dance in jodis. They have novice, "average at best" choreography. They have a bunch of gimmicks that get the crowd going, great. But what about actual bhangra? I can honestly say that there are maybe 3 or 4 dancers out of 12 that are actually top notch dancers and know what they're doing and look good. Overall, their gimmicks and formations take away from the lack of skill on this team.
If you compare the level of difficulty in VCU's routine to Empire's, VCU wins any day. VCU sticks to the criteria and that is to do BHANGRA. They execute flawlessly, they're creative, they're entertaining, and most importantly, they keep it folk. I would really like to hear from the judges, the logic behind placings empire over vcu 3 times in a row.
I know I've expressed my opinion about that before, and it might sound like im beating a dead horse, but yea, this is starting to get pretty sad.
If I were Empire, I would just retire now as the most successful coed team in the history of North American Bhangra...I've had my fall out with them, but damn man, if they keep raping the hell outta everyone like this, thats pretty impressive just based on how many trophies they've got in their collection... Right now Empire is beating VCU like a rented mule, which is very sad because I've seen first hand how hard VCU works to put their routine together... I wanna pile on the hate for Empire, but based just off of results, there is no better team in the country then them... I know a lot of people are coming on here now and giving VCU a lot of love which is fine, but you have to respect Empire's resume, that shit is beautiful... I'm guessing VCU probably feels like the Buffalo Bills right now...
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VCU was sick we all know that, but we have to go based on the competiiton , and what it looks for. Send empire to Toronto and vcu would beat them every single time, b/c Toronto is as tradiitonal as it gets. But at a comp like this its expected that entertainment will over rule ' bhangra'. Both teams were sickkk.
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i agree with meistro and i believe in the fact that proper bhangra is traditional bhangra.. i thought that vibc this year was not up to par as it has been in the past ... i personally think that the placing should have been
1) VCU
2) Empire
3) DRP
big ups to vcu for putting on a great show and bringing out the joker to vancity
1) VCU
2) Empire
3) DRP
big ups to vcu for putting on a great show and bringing out the joker to vancity