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AEG FRONT HD VIDEO Nov 12th

campy614

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Oyyyy Basimmm.

I believe that is what AEG did. They politely asked that no one post the Burgh video until after Boston, a 1 week difference. Once Boston was over, they posted the youtube video... which was taken down I believe by BBC's sponsor (whoever they are-I really don't care that much anymore).
 

Sue Sylvester

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Basim said:
Is it the competition or the sponsor that is enforcing videos to not be up? I think the competition organizors are acting on behalf of the sponsor to remove links. BBC should get a different sponsor if that's the case.
They're acting on behalf of sponsors. It's one of the terms of the agreements with sponsors who put down significant money and are partly responsible for the show continuing to be around for so many years.

Unfortunately, this hurts BBC as a competition. BBC has always had some legitimate/crazy performances that could easily rack up 10,000s of views on Youtube which would promote the competition as an elite event to the world. However, the lack of presence on Youtube essentially makes BBC only known to the bhangra community and the north-east. BBC would see a significant rise in global publicity, team applications and line-up competitiveness if it even had a presence on Youtube, but that is the cost of partnering with an Indian channel. It's up to the competition organizers whether they want to keep that term of agreement in the contract for getting a certain amount of money or say screw this and some DVD sales and in 10 years from now, have a legacy and have people remember the competition/be able to watch videos from it.

Basim said:
Take for example Boston Bhangra 2010.. there are videos posted from then and nobody even cares now (but last year BBC was being a nazi about every video that went up).
BBC 2010 videos all just went down.

Basim said:
Also, I'm not a fan of teams who don't want their videos posted (unless there is a legitimate reason, i.e. there is another competition in less than a month where they will be using the same routine). Then the team should come out and say don't post our video yet, we'll put it up for everyone after XXXXX competition.
Same argument as above. It's up to the team whether they want recognition for their ideas/hard-work. If a team never posts their video, they're at a bigger loss than we are.

Basim said:
If the next competition is like 2 months+ away, change your shit up and bring something unique! There is no excuse a team can give if they have ample time to change up their coreography or gimicks SLIGHTLY to provide entertainment for the next audience they will be performing for. If you don't want your performance to be recorded and shared, don't perform in front of the public, simple as that.
I think the key thing is that every team is different. Imagine a team of older people with working lives who don't have much time to practice. If they're performing well, there's really no need for them to necessarily change up choreography in the span of a few months or even a year. The circuit may not respect them, but respect from the circuit may not be the reason for them getting on that stage.

Basim said:
Trust me, if I wasn't so nice, I would just download every team's video myself and host it via personal FTP so no competition or team could do anything about it.
They may not be able to do anything quickly, but they certainly could do something, especially if they were bound by a legal contract with a huge corporation like ZeeTV. This can be akin to hosting TV shows/movies on your own website - copyright laws can still be enforced.

Basim said:
Let's move back to the old days when nobody cared about videos being put up online. Does anyone remember the last time you saw members of powerhouse teams like KJ, Gabroo Shokeen, LBC, etc requesting their videos to NOT be posted online? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Times have changed, bro. Those teams may not have had the platform to make such a request and Youtube hadn't hit mainstream yet. I still recall watching videos of VIBE and KJ by downloading them from some random website because there was no moderated community and mainstream video sharing website. I think those teams would have acted in a similar fashion in today's day and age.
 

faizan

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BTF does not seem to understand contractual/Intellecutal Property rights...but BBC does need to work something out to make the videos available ASAP, it's hard to have a legacy without youtube evidence of legendary performances!
 

yraparla

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faizan said:
BTF does not seem to understand contractual/Intellecutal Property rights...but BBC does need to work something out to make the videos available ASAP, it's hard to have a legacy without youtube evidence of legendary performances!
it's an old style model with emphasis on DVD sales to generate revenue (plus the sponsor, AsiaTV I think? gets exclusive rights so they can market it on their channel). Obviously online videos kinda ruin the model but I think 90% of people who watch the online videos won't actually buy the dvd anyway. Almost makes more sense for BBC to post official videos and have a sponsor ad on the video in the black space banner and include that in the sponsorship. A DVD gets watched how many times, but the online vids could easily get into 50k, 100k range. Teams like Empire regularly generate tens of thousands of views. Sell the DVD with extra content or some other appealing thing (like dancer interviews) so that people who want the DVD get some advantage.

BBC is already taking down videos so protecting their video views is already an established process they understand and they have a much more flexible potential for sponsorship and PR and hype. It's hard though, I don't blame them for stickign with a model/relationship that works. If you have a sponsor who is supportive year after year you do not mess with that dynamic for the sake of some youtube vids. The competition itself is most important, everyone who didn't buy a ticket and see the show is secondary.
 

faizan

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If you have a sponsor who is supportive year after year you do not mess with that dynamic for the sake of some youtube vids. The competition itself is most important, everyone who didn't buy a ticket and see the show is secondary.
you. the. man. swi. good seeing you and talking with you this weekend, one of my fellow bhangra geniuses!
 

Basim

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@Joe - Respect to AEG for doing that.

@ Kinnell - I agree with your comments about BBC's lack of global exposure. Honestly, by the time Boston Bhangra Competition aires their events through their media partnership and releases their DVD, nobody even cares about them. We're like more than half way into the next bhangra season and BBC is still playing "catch up."

"It's up to the team whether they want recognition for their ideas/hard-work. If a team never posts their video, they're at a bigger loss than we are." That's a key point and I fully agree!

The reason that I mentioned teams changing up choreography was because some teams might not want their performances released due to having another competition soon. I feel that 2+ months is enough time for every team to change things up slightly (if they want to), so they should have no real reason to restrict their videos from being posted. Also, just because people have seen your performance through a video doesn't mean they'll feel less hyped up when they see you execute it live.

Instead of the FTP trick mentioned earlier, I figured that I could throw all the bhangra videos that I want to on a public torrent tracker and let the competition deal with trying to take them down (anyone remember the authorities trying to take down piratebay? lol. It's still kicking strong). Now a bhangra competition fighting a torrent website over "copyrighted material" is something that I would love to see! ;)

On to the last point.. times haven't really changed that much Kinnell bhai. It's not like we're taking about 10+ years back.. it was only in about 2006 when youtube was getting really big in terms of bhangra videos. I don't recall a ton of "powerhouse" teams like the ones I mentioned ever requesting their video to be NOT posted. Heck, flash forward to the circuit NOW.. do you ever see SGPD ask people on BTF to take down their videos? And yet, they come to every competition with something new & exciting in store for the audience. It's sad when a lot of known teams are scared of the BTF crowd and hearing any sort of critism.

@ Faizan - With BTF not actually hosting the videos, I can't see where they are at fault. You could argue the same thing about Google "hosting" copyrighted material because you can go on there to search for copyrighted material. Plus, don't you agree to a bunch of terms & conditions when you sign up for an account here? That probably takes some liability off BTF. Anyway, that's a whole other topic.. I agree with your points about BBC.

@ Swi - The DVD model is just plain stupid. First of all, DVD's are getting outdated (1080p anyone?). Imho, BBC is dumb for not taking advantage of online media to promote their name. As you mentioned, who really buys the DVD anyhow? Especially when they release it several months after the competition (when nobody really cares about BBC anymore). They need to talk with their sponsor about getting content out there faster, distributing the content online digitially (with their sponsor's name on it of course), and also selling "planning the event/preparing/team mixer/behind the scenes at the competition/team interviews/etc" in high quality as bonus footage (as you mentioned). Having a "supportive partner" year after year should give you more flexibility when negotiating on terms of a partnership agreement/contract.

"The competition itself is most important, everyone who didn't buy a ticket and see the show is secondary." That's the wrong mindset to have if you want your competition to get national and possibly international exposure. If BBC is only concerned about being an East Cost bhangra competition, than sure keep doing what you're doing, but if they want to "progress" as a competition (which they should be ready for now considering how long they've been around)... then draw ideas from competitions such as Bhangra Idols & Elite 8.

~ Basim :)

P.S. - If this discussion continues maybe spilting off into a seperate thread would be beneficial.
 

hardeep_singh

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i got a copyright complaint for posting the video of nirmal sidhu performing with me dancing right next to him on facebook
 

faizan

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Recording was prohibitted as it has been for years. There goes your argument.
 

hardeep_singh

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faizan said:
Recording was prohibitted as it has been for years. There goes your argument.
can boston bhangra legally prohibit recording for personal/fair use in the state of massachusetts? the only party that can enforce legal copyright in this situation is nirmal sidhu/recording company that owns the rights to the music, they are also the only party that can legally prohibit recording due to the fact that they legally own the copyright to the music being played/recorded. During the show there was no disclaimer about recording, no statement was made to instruct the audience that recording for personal/fair use was prohibited.
 

hardeep_singh

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funny thing is, if the recording companies who own the copyrights to all of the songs used in team mixes filed copyright complaints against boston bhangra and tv asia, they could legally prohibit tv asia from broadcasting their recording of the event and boston bhangra from selling dvds of the event. ;-) cue mischievous laughter
 
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