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Are Sikhs Allowed to eat Beef?

Karandeep

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This is one topic that I never got to make a decision on? Sorry for making this controversial topic.

I have been hearing different things about this?

I heard we are allowed to eat beef cause were are not hindus, but arent we a off-religion of hindu?
Most of my relatives dont eat beef, yet i still know lots a sikhs that eat beef.

What do you guys know about this?
 

yraparla

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Great question. No simple answer. Personal choice.

some previous discussions on this for your viewing pleasure:
http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/index.php?topic=2764.0 (specific to eating meat)
http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/index.php?topic=990.0 (general questions for Sikhs, but meat comes up middle of first page)


These discussion are always good to bring up time to time as long as the dialogue changes. If we end up repeating ourselves everytime no point.
 

HarmanSingh

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Beef holds no more significance than any other meat to a Sikh. A Gursikh doesn't eat meat of any kind- be it chicken, beef, pork, bacon, lamb, goat, etc.

As far as being an "off-religion" of Hinduism, I would say Sikhi is its own distinct philosophy/way of life but obviously it has a relationship with the Vedas and many similarities with Hindusim that originate from its inception. At the same time, one can draw connections between Sikhi and Islam, Sikhi and Buddhism, Sikhi and Christianity and most any other religion.
 

Laddi

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HarmanSingh said:
Beef holds no more significance than any other meat to a Sikh. A Gursikh doesn't eat meat of any kind- be it chicken, beef, pork, bacon, lamb, goat, etc.

As far as being an "off-religion" of Hinduism, I would say Sikhi is its own distinct philosophy/way of life but obviously it has a relationship with the Vedas and many similarities with Hindusim that originate from its inception. At the same time, one can draw connections between Sikhi and Islam, Sikhi and Buddhism, Sikhi and Christianity and most any other religion.
proper.
 

Joda

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my dad doesnt like it when i eat beef cuz cows and bufflo is wht helps feed and bring income in for most families in india, and like when sometimes a relative's cow dies at times people will go over for afsos (like u kno when sumone dies u go over to share grief) cuz its a finacial loss i guess... but he bitches at me cuz its buffalo and cows have a significance even to sikh. i guess its more to farmers then sikhs.
 

HarmanSingh

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Joda said:
my dad doesnt like it when i eat beef cuz cows and bufflo is wht helps feed and bring income in for most families in india, and like when sometimes a relative's cow dies at times people will go over for afsos (like u kno when sumone dies u go over to share grief) cuz its a finacial loss i guess... but he bitches at me cuz its buffalo and cows have a significance even to sikh. i guess its more to farmers then sikhs.
It is cultural, not religious. You are right in that it is valuable cattle which is often the focal point of a farm so it is frowned upon to eat something of such great significance but Sikhi doesn't call for meat to be eaten period.
 

COMTONDAJATT

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Karandeep said:
This is one topic that I never got to make a decision on? Sorry for making this controversial topic.

I have been hearing different things about this?

I heard we are allowed to eat beef cause were are not hindus, but arent we a off-religion of hindu?
Most of my relatives dont eat beef, yet i still know lots a sikhs that eat beef.

What do you guys know about this?
You are gonna get a lot of varied answers on the subject, depends on individual family backgrounds and preferences. Meat eating families that are recent converts (100 years or less) from Hinduism will probably not eat beef because it is still ingrained in the culture to not eat beef. On the other hand there are people who will eat any meat (guilty :) ).

As far as Sikhism being an offshot of Hinduism that is something controversial to say the least. First thing being problematic is the label 'Hinduism' itself since it is a term that is too general and vague in that it makes people think there is a monolithic tradition that all 'Hindus' follow. Does Sikhism have certain philosophical similarities with Indic/Vedic derived beliefs? Yea, a lot actually, much more so than it does with any of the the 'Abrahamic relgions'. Another thing is the bulk of the converts to Sikhism came from 'Hindu' backgrounds meaning they possesed some Vedic belief system, along with worship of ancestors and village saints. Even if they converted their identity is complex and until the early 1900s lots of people who we consider Sikhs considered themselves 'Hindu' also, the two were not mutually exclusive I guess.

Confusing stuff, this identity thing.
 

faizan

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bottom line is, sikhs can eat all meat, beef, pork, chicken, lamb...can't be halal or kosher...and should be slaughtered in the jatka style. anything else is cultural.
 

HarmanSingh

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faizan said:
bottom line is, sikhs can eat all meat, beef, pork, chicken, lamb...can't be halal or kosher...and should be slaughtered in the jatka style. anything else is cultural.
Disagree completely. A Gursikh does NOT eat meat of any kind.
 

Sher

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HarmanSingh said:
faizan said:
bottom line is, sikhs can eat all meat, beef, pork, chicken, lamb...can't be halal or kosher...and should be slaughtered in the jatka style. anything else is cultural.
Disagree completely. A Gursikh does NOT eat meat of any kind.
I know Gursikhs that were allowed by their Panj Piyare to eat meat and believe it is ok to do so, but I have had this argument tooo many times on BTF haha. As far as this topic goes, Sikhs definitely do not specify on what type of meat. As far as religious interpretation goes, its basically either eat all meats (except halal) or don't eat meat at all. However, alot of Sikhs don't eat beef for cultural reasons or because they still follow alot of Hindu traditions.

And no, we are not an "off-religion" of Hinduism.
 

singh

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I don't think Sikh's are allowed to eat beef because I guess we kind of consider it sacred and I know we're not hindu, but some of us think that. How about this if you go to Gurudawra Sahib and ask the granthi if we can eat it or not, they will tell you. If you still have more questions, then contact Sikh Missinoary College in Ludhiana, they will be able to assist you better. However, I know we can eat chicken, as long as it's not halal, like as long as we don't suffer the meat, and I know there is no way, but in Guru Granth Sahib it says that. Again I would say contact SMC in Ludhiana, Punjab.

Main muwafi mangda je koi galat gull kai te howe, je tuhanu kisey nu na changi lagi howey.

Thanks
 

yraparla

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OK so i'm bored of this topic (as are most people who have been through this like 2-3 times already)

On a different but related note, how do you deal with eating outside food? Do you eat fast food burgers? Fast food chicken? When my Gurus come here from India they always cook food only in their own time and never eat out because you never know what additives are there or how it is prepared.

If you make the argument that you can eat meat that doesn't suffer, then how can you eat fast food knowing the conditions under which they are raised (and if you don't you really really should)? Personally I eat fast food knowing theres a chance that meat gets in my order...
 

faizan

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i never understood the sikh argument that halal meat means suffering (and swi brings up a good point) how do sikhs who don't eat halal/kosher meat reconcile the fact that most of the commercial meat sold in the west is badly treated and full of chemicals. harman, you seem to know a lot about this, what are your thoughts, thanks.
 

Ashveer

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Faizan, it is considered to be painful to the animal. Guru Nanak condemns it somewhere in Asa di War. Its been reinforced by the rehit. Newer forms of torture and pain are quite simply, not reconciled.
For a 'modern' understanding, from the almighty wikipedia:

Halal food and animal welfare

The ritual method of slaughter as practiced in Islam and Judaism has been decried as inhumane by animal welfare organisations in the UK who have stated that it "causes severe suffering to animals."[11][12]

However, in 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when Captive Bolt Stunning (CBS) was used.[13] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[14]

In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and Kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous."

Halal and kosher butchers deny their method of killing animals is cruel and expressed anger over the FAWC recommendation [12].

Majid Katme of the Muslim Council of Britain also disagreed, stating that "it's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain."[12]

In April 2008, the Food and Farming minister in the UK, Lord Rooker, stated that Halal and kosher meat should be labelled when it is put on sale, so that the public can decide whether or not they want to buy food from animals that have bled to death. He was quoted as saying, "I object to the method of slaughter ... my choice as a customer is that I would want to buy meat that has been looked after and slaughtered in the most humane way possible.". The RSPCA supported Lord Rooker's views. [15]

For the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and the Humane Society International, "the animals that are slaughtered according to Kosher and Halal should be securely restrained, particularly the head and neck, before cutting the throat" as "movements (during slaughter) results in a poor cut, bad bleeding, slow loss of consciousness if at all and pain." [16]
 
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