Babbu Mann's album banned in India

[Hattpichay]

A true G. Exposing the truth about fuddu babey's like Dhudrianwala. Now the mofo got him banned. No balls whatsoever. Hopefully Babbu beefed up his security. Otherwise, these crazy religious fanatics will send him to the afterlife. Long live Babbu Maan and his lyrics exposing the truth.

 

[Varun]

India has freedoms of speech and is supposedly a secular state. If this Baba Ranjit can be allowed to do and say anti-Sikhi things (making himself a guru over the Granth Sahib, hording the donations of his poor, misguided congregation) then so should Mann be allowed to call his hypocrisy out.

u right bro, but india doesn't want sikhs to continue progressing. these "sants" our holding our nation back. im not a big fan of babu maan, but if he is calling out these "sants" then all i have to say is FINALLY. someone needs to do it.

they banned maachis too btw. india bans whatever the people in power want banned. india is the world's largest illusion of a democracy

Well, I don't know about India not wanting Sikhs to progress. The PM of India is a Sikh so thats a pretty damn big progression. I also know that Punjab is the richest State in the Union, and since 60% of the population is Sikh, they probably aren't doing too bad. But I really don't care about all that. The truth is that India has this stupid censorship law against "harming the feelings of any religious or ethnic community." That is why Varun Gandhi was arrested when he said something that can be interpreted as anti-Muslim, same reason why that Rahim Baba was arrested when he dressed up as Guru Gobind Singh. Many people find these laws to be good because they stop the defamation of communities but I am totally against any sort of censorship or infringement on civil liberties. If I do not agree with things about Sikhi, Hinduism, Islam, this political party, that political party, etc, I as a citizen of a democratic state should be allowed to do so. I hate this idea that people think they have he right to not be offended. In India, people don't believe in free speech, they get so easily offended and inflamed by their oh so holy religions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maachis
Apparently it got the National Award (granted by the government) so Im not sure about it getting banned.

 

[- Raja -]

lol this whole thing is jokes. Our Guru Ji's specifically created the Guru Granth Sahib Ji for this very own reason! DONT FOLLOW ANYONE ELSE!! FOLLOW THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI! and here we go and 'matha tek' to these babas who claim they can take you to God. regarding the babbu mannn comment on how he has no credibility becasue he drinks and does drugs?? please dont judge people for what they do on there own time.

The only Sant or Baba i would give credit too is Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale! A person who acts as a leader to his own people to protect them from violence. If something was to go down in the Sikh Society today, my money says these fake ass babas will probably be in cuba.

 

[Pooja]

they banned maachis too btw. india bans whatever the people in power want banned. india is the world's largest illusion of a democracy

It wasn't banned in 'India' but it some places in states like Punjab/J&K...

 

[Gurjote]

If India really wanted Sikhs to progress, why would the government not make any single arrest for the riots of 1984? Why would the Prime Minister at that time, Rajiv Gandhi order all Sikhs to be cleansed in India? If India wanted Sikhs to progress, why would the government bring in tanks into the 'Golden Temple?' From June 1984 to November 1984, thousands of Sikh men vanished, Sikh women were disrespected, and young Sikh children were left as orphans under the hands of Indian armed forces, police, and rioters. By simply placing a so-called Sikh Prime Minister does not mean progression for the Sikh community as a whole in India. Punjab used to be the richest state in India, but I'm not sure if that statement can be accurately said now. Most importantly, if the Indian Government has the power to BAN western media and such aid groups as Amnesty International, banning a film or an album is minuscule.

So in essence, I do not see a 'pretty damn big progression' for Sikhs and for other minorities in India such as the Tamils, Christians, and Muslims who have been defamed when it comes to so-called 'religious' rights in India. If these religious/censorship laws were created to protect freedom of religion, then they should be implemented, otherwise they are just a mere mockery because the defamation of religious minorities occurs periodically in India - the most recent I could recall would be the anti-Muslim riots in 2002. So if one could kill in India, because he or she does not agree with Hinduism, Islam, or Sikhism, then these laws uphold no value whatsoever, since they clearly do not display the principles of a ''Democracy.'' Sorry to go off topic, but I thought I'd just share my two cents when it comes to India and its 'Democratic Laws.'

 

[Varun]

So in essence, I do not see a 'pretty damn big progression' for Sikhs and for other minorities in India such as the Tamils, Christians, and Muslims who have been defamed when it comes to so-called 'religious' rights in India. If these religious/censorship laws were created to protect freedom of religion, then they should be implemented, otherwise they are just a mere mockery because the defamation of religious minorities occurs periodically in India - the most recent I could recall would be the anti-Muslim riots in 2002. So if one could kill in India, because he or she does not agree with Hinduism, Islam, or Sikhism, then these laws uphold no value whatsoever, since they clearly do not display the principles of a ''Democracy.'' Sorry to go off topic, but I thought I'd just share my two cents when it comes to India and its 'Democratic Laws.'

Interesting points, Gurjote. Personally, I think that the very religiousity that plagues the Indian people, politics, and government is responsible for communal violence. To solely blame the government is rather naive when you see how pervasive religious fanaticism is within India. Perfect example is when the government does try to do something good (Supreme Court legalized and recognized rights for all LGBT citizens of India) then the fantics, special interests, and even common people revolt (the religiously fanatics that are creating an uproar over the current Justice decision). I do, of course, agree that this does not condone the government's lack of response to providing social justice whatsoever.

by the way, can we get verification if this album is actually banned or just reprimanded by these "Babey"?

also, according to India today, Punjab is still the richest state in the union (hell yes, take that himanchal pradesh) http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&sectionid=30&issueid=123&id=62235&Itemid=1

 

[Manjot]

its such bs lol

i just hope babbu mann makes a crazy song in return to wut that baba saidd

 

[KushK]

Babu Mann is the man ;D

 

[Ashveer]

Sikhs are doing badly in Punjab. They are the rural peasants that are most marginalized. Cancer, crushing debt, pesticides, fragmenting land etc. etc.

 

[gabroo_punjabi]

Good shit, somebody had to shut him up. Taking away freedoms is never good, but this guy really shouldn't talk about religion. Funny how Sikhism talks about meditation, stillness, and refraining from any sort of physical intoxicants, while this guy worships alcohol and drugs. Bhangra itself undermines Sikhism, there should never be any parralel between the two, ever. There is nothing spiritual about overwhelming excitement and jumping around with an insane amount of energy to loud music.
Funny how Sikhism also talks about equality, yet all these songs like Singh is King are so loved and publicized, it's nuts. In Sikh context, Singh is never 'king', everybody is one, baptized Sikhs who properly adopt the Singh surname are at a higher level of being and awareness, that's it. Having a special last name doesn't make you better than the rest of the world. People who scream Singh is King don't even have the credibility to talk about the subject, half of them have a glass of daru in their hands. This idiot comes out with a song Singh is better than King, what a douchebag.

with what can u support your accusation of babbu mann workshipping drugs and alcohol?

 

[Meistro]

I really liked babu mann when he had songs like Saun Di Jhadi, Sardar, Kabaddi, mitran di chatri etc (that era of babbu mann). Then he came out with One night stand and Ik Baba nanak. Forget all the discussion for a second. This guy sang "Can I have a one night stand with you" and also "EK baba Nanak si".....why is anybody even vouching for this guy? Who is he to be putting Babey on blast when this guy is no saint himself? This guy isnt a rapper who raps about "you don't know me but you're settin up to blow me". THIS IS A PUNJABI SINGER. I know Punjabi values are mostly obsolete from the music nowadays, but I think he has really over stepped the boundary, making the Punjabi music industry similar to American Pop culture. Before punjabi music had a sense of corruption but in a subtle manner. Babbu has made it explicit. No respect for this guy anymore.

 

[Gabru13]

i think babbu maan stepped up and said wut is rite and wut a sikh going through these days, if babu maan is a junky, im preeti sure all these babas do all kinda stuff, they r charged with rape, killing ppl etcc... but babbu maan is not.

 

[Gabru13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhm6N66PXc

 

[Manjot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhm6N66PXc

wow he's choked lol

getting people to bow down to you(matha tek) and calling you "baba ji" is really needed to spread guru granth sahib ji's teachings...also the baba is sitting on something that is higher then the general public which basically means "higher being" doesnt it...

any baba that replies to his song is imo guilty of the stuff that babbu mann said in the song.

1up for Babbu mann

 

[Tuckerrrr]

Interesting points, Gurjote. Personally, I think that the very religiousity that plagues the Indian people, politics, and government is responsible for communal violence. To solely blame the government is rather naive when you see how pervasive religious fanaticism is within India. Perfect example is when the government does try to do something good (Supreme Court legalized and recognized rights for all LGBT citizens of India) then the fantics, special interests, and even common people revolt (the religiously fanatics that are creating an uproar over the current Justice decision). I do, of course, agree that this does not condone the government's lack of response to providing social justice whatsoever.

by the way, can we get verification if this album is actually banned or just reprimanded by these "Babey"?

also, according to India today, Punjab is still the richest state in the union (hell yes, take that himanchal pradesh) http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&sectionid=30&issueid=123&id=62235&Itemid=1

punjab being the richest state has no correlation with the treatment of sikhs by the indian government. it's rather a lasting effect of the punjab empire and even moreso of british rule. the british favored the sikhs because they were good soldiers, and so the sikhs prospered in relative terms compared to much of the rest of the indian population.

despite the sikh pm (who, being the leader of india, has not done much internally for sikhs because he simply can't), india has failed the sikhs and continues to do so. sikhs are not recognized as a separate religion under the indian constitution. if 2 sikhs get married in india, it will still be a hindu marriage under law (hindu marriage act 1955 repealed the anand marriage act of 1909). its a slap in the face to any person to not be permitted his/her free identity. as we all know, still no justice for the 1984 progroms--a government sponsored genocide. what about in 1982, when sikhs were humiliated at the asian games?

there was operation bluestar in 1984, but what about operation woodrose and operation black thunder? the government of india has a history of oppressing its minorities with both overt (massacre, mass rape) and covert (drugs, religious and legal corruption) discrimination. its happened to the muslims, the christians, and the sikhs (probably others too). the only people who were extreme in all three genocides were the hindutva-ideology-led government officials and their allies.

bro, theres no way u can let the government off the hook. to say that it is the fault of religious extremism would be ignorant. firstly, it's proven that the government sponsored the mass killings and rape in delhi. its documented, the facts are there. theres extensive material written by non-sikhs that support this fact. secondly, what makes the religions look fanatic is the government-controlled media...to add to that, anyone ready to take up arms against the army must have a reason.

india has a big opportunity with her growing influence to make amends and be a leader in human rights going forward, but it doesn't seem like she will do so. minorities in india who don't agree with the government and the hindutva philosophy ingrained in indian politics thus far (whether this be a minority religion, caste, or class) have suffered. the sikhs are one of those minority groups. yes bro we have a sikh pm, but under the indian constitution he's still a hindu (article 25).

 

[Tuckerrrr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhm6N66PXc

wow he's choked lol

getting people to bow down to you(matha tek) and calling you "baba ji" is really needed to spread guru granth sahib ji's teachings...also the baba is sitting on something that is higher then the general public which basically means "higher being" doesnt it...

any baba that replies to his song is imo guilty of the stuff that babbu mann said in the song.

1up for Babbu mann

did u mean **isn't** really needed?


the way this guy speaks is effective cuz it wont let u go to sleep lol. the man has some good points, but from what i got in the song, babbu mann doesn't mean they shouldn't have cars...he's saying that babas are hypocritical in living lavish lifestyles if they are preaching the simple lifestyle of sikhi. he's talking about the corrupt babas, so the true sikhs who are doing honest work shouldn't be offended by it. i'd like to hear babu mann's response too

true sant of recent history is puran singh pingalwara...nobody ever did matha tekh to him. all he lived for was seva. he didnt have an audi or a red light on his car lol.

 

[Varun]

When Sikhs were abused in 1984 it was a religious issue, but when you look at the thousands of Hindu men and women that were forced to undergo sterilization during the Emergency, then its not?

History is the most confusing thing. I guess its all boils down to these little boxes and categories we choose to create to separate us from our fellow human brothers and sisters. Human suffering is human suffering, making it a religious issue is just a way to become a pawn in the game of these big politicians, religions, and other manipulative institutions.


btw, just to clear out confusion: me, Tucker, and Gurjote all agree on the same conclusion: the Indian government is absolutely required to provide social justice for the crimes of the Emergency, 1970s, and 1980s. I just disagree with the framework in which many perceive the problem (as simple Hindu government vs. Sikh minority).

 

[Varun]

Oh by the way, I guess its also hard for me to comment a lot on the sentiments of people in this thread. I used to be really religious. Then I studied the history of manipulation, war, and hate that all religions practiced to turn man against man. Then I started to think about this magical sky God that we all worshipped and killed, converted, subjugated, and fought so many of our fellow human beings over.

After deep introspection, I just can't help to believe that religion and God are the biggest lies ever sold to man. If you were truly spiritual, you would look at the universe and all creation as one reflection of a divine reality. Kind of like one large body. You wouldn't want to injure one part of your body with another part, same way you wouldn't try to spread hate or judgement about one kind of human against another. Unfortunately, that is the basis of all religion: to create a separation between the believers and the infidels. Hindu vs non Hindu, Chistian vs non Christian, Sikh vs Non Sikh, etc etc.

I'm just rambling now. Sorry if I offended anyone with my posts. Feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss more, the subject absolutely fascinates and terrifies me at the same time.

 

[Tuckerrrr]

When Sikhs were abused in 1984 it was a religious issue, but when you look at the thousands of Hindu men and women that were forced to undergo sterilization during the Emergency, then its not?

History is the most confusing thing. I guess its all boils down to these little boxes and categories we choose to create to separate us from our fellow human brothers and sisters. Human suffering is human suffering, making it a religious issue is just a way to become a pawn in the game of these big politicians, religions, and other manipulative institutions.


btw, just to clear out confusion: me, Tucker, and Gurjote all agree on the same conclusion: the Indian government is absolutely required to provide social justice for the crimes of the Emergency, 1970s, and 1980s. I just disagree with the framework in which many perceive the problem (as simple Hindu government vs. Sikh minority).

bro im not religious either...and we agree on the main point about the govt's responsibility

and i agree...human suffering is human suffering...

but...there is a difference in ur 2 examples. the massacre of sikhs in 1984 was discriminatory towards members of a minority group. the sterilization was for indians in general.

dont get me wrong...im not saying it's a purely religious issue...it's not hindu vs. sikh. i agree it's core is political. it's about groups who disagree with the aims of the politicians, groups who stress freedom to be different and who disagree with the government...them vs. the government. the government in turn uses these groups to gain political support. after the 1984 progroms, the congress gov't won by its biggest national margin in history. in gujurat, modi won a huge victory after the gov't systematically killed muslims. my point is that these instances of human suffering are completely discriminatory and that the government continues to put minorities down to garner support from the majority. still, the government hasn't issued a formal apology and none of the high-ranking perpetrators have been brought to legal justice...some were even given promotions. my argument is that progress isn't present. here in oxford i've met lots of students from punjab. they share a common distrust in the indian government, and they say its because of the way the government always divides people. they are the first to tell me that indian politicians will do anything to gain power, and minorities are an easy target. they tell me that politicians have messed up punjab. brings me back to my initial point: the gov't does oppress sikhs, as well as many of the other minority groups in india. the intention may not be purely racist--it's usually political--but that doesn't change the facts of the gov'ts actions....and i think we would agree on this

if we didnt have religion, we'd still have plenty of reasons to fight each other. whether i agree or disagree with the idea of religion, i still know that it's wrong to discriminate based on religion (or on anything else)--even if the discrimination is a means to a political end.

please forgive me if i said anything that offends anyone who reads it

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

Why do you guys think people follow babay in the first place? From my totally uninformed opinion I think it has mostly to do with education level and economic status.

From what I understand the 'babay' have following among the peasant farmers and lower middle class correct? There is a line from the movie the Seventh Seal that says 'In our fear we created an idol, and called him God'. So maybe because these farmers are poor and economically downtrodden they flock to these babas for assurance and blessing that they will be okay. I mean Sikhism's final Guru is a divine book of poetry, and it takes reading and understanding of principles to be comforted by it's ideas. These baba's have the advantage of dumbing things down, or in most cases misrepresenting things to make people happy and follow them. Plus a person is more tangible to most people I guess.

Also on a totally random thought I had, someone with an idea of Sikh scholarship could help me out here. The idea of bowing to something essentially means worshiping something right? Didn't Guru Nanak work to draw people away from worshipping anything but the Creator? From a random janam sakhi translation I read long ago that when he was in Bagdhad they asked why he was not willing to venerate the Prophet Mohammad as the final messenger when he spoke of the Creator. I think the reply was that only the creator is worthy of worship and to focus on the creation would be akin to focusing on the rays of the Sun rather than the Sun itself. Well my main question is even though the answer many people say is that they bow because the respect the SGGS, isn't it hard to separate the worshiping aspect when your are bowing?