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Summy

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Most consistent teams in NBA history? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Lets put it this way, since Detroits conception into the NBA, a span of about 50 years (yes 5 and then 0) they have won 3 titles.

San Antonio won 3 titles since in the last 6 years. Teams that are much more succesful than you, by YOUR OWN ACCORD, which is winning the title?

Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Spurs to name a few...So got off your wanna be high horse. Yeah thats right Toronto, the 13 year franchise hasnt won any championships, but we are newest franchise in the NBA, so it will take a while.

HAHA you dont even know your own starting lineup. TOP POINT GUARD? haha maybe back in 04 buddy, Billups was benched during crucial times for a reason. Stuckey is your PG now. Hmmm, Nash, Paul, Williams, Bibby, Parker, Arenas, Iverson, Kidd, and maybe even Baron davis, are all better Point guards. an underrated SF? Oh you mean the guy who averaged 13 points in the regular season, BUT STEPPED up his game in the post season averaging.... 13 points? Yeah hes a defenseive player, but calm down, aint nobody underrating tayshaun prince. An All-star centre? First off I Maxiell or McDyess didnt make the all-star team buddy. And I assume you mean Rasheed Wallace, who is your starting 4...Geez, I know its easy to get it in the big D, but lay off the crack.


HAHAH AFFALO and JOHNSON arent great peices to trade. Those guys are bums, they wouldnt even fetch the trade exemption in the league. calm down, the ONLY two players I would take from your team is Hamilton and Prince, Rasheed is a lazy, non character guy, and is exactly the reason why you guys cant keep a coach. If FLIP SAUNDERS, a guy who made kevin garnett into the intense human being he is cant motivate wallace to play 82 games, Curry wont be all that better. Thats why dumars will be unloading him


YOU WILL NOT BE IN THE ECF next year with that team. Your getting a rookie coach, with a GM yelling at reporters about how shitty your performance was in the CF this year. The reason why you guys got in, is because of your coach, and you do have a talented squad. Much better than what the east was offering last year. But with Rose, Beasley, coming into the east. Along with a healthy wade, and marion, add in there Clevleand's bid to get Vince Carter, without giving up Big Ben or smith, toronto's addition of Jermaine Oneal, and the possibility of adding Diaw on top of that, and bringing over Roko Ukic, a taller, faster, Calderon; also The Sixers who almost beat you guys, possibly getting Josh Smith and your gonna have a much better East.



You have to explain to me why they let those guys go, know much mroe about your own team than you do. The fact is, with losing Okur, they never found a respectable centre after that. Maxiell or McDyess are not starting 5's and this league, and your brilliant GM went out and got the supposed starting 5, Mohammed, which worked out BRILLANTLY.

Ohh well, I guess they were depending on Darko to do that C job eh? Hmmmm, what ever happened to that SECOND overall pick, next to LEBRON FREAKING JAMES, ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, TJ Ford, David West, Leandro Barbaso, Josh Howard and the list goes on. HECK, YOU GOT SECOND ROUND PICKS LIKE KORVER, BLAKE, AND KAPONO doing better off than that bum Darko.

REAL SMART MOVE BY DUMARS. Even knows europeans take 2 years to develop with playing time. So, Dumars will sit there and draft the most UN-READY player in the draft, and not let him develope in Europe... no thats too smart... but stick him at the end of the bench in detroit for a couple seasons, only to have him play off the bench after that. SMART. Then you have NBA ready guys like Wade, Anthony, Bosh, Hinrich, Barbosa and other contributing to their team right away.


I remember that draft, and I remember every analysist saying that Darko shouldnt go to the Pistons and if he did, they should trade down. Everyone knew he wasnt going to get playing time. Everyone except Joe Dumars.



Now lets compare him to Bryan Colangelo... The two time exec of the year took a really shitty team in the Phoneix Suns over...


He drafted all-stars and much better players then any of the all-starts in Detroit in Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudamire.

Traded Kidd for Maurbary, and then packaged Maurbary and Hardaway, to get the expiring contract of McDyess.

What did he do with the money off the books.

Paid for the guy that Dallas thought the best days were behind him in Jason Kidd.

With All-Star Joe Johnson on the team, what would Dumars do? Hmm probably let his contract go out and then watch him blot (ie okur). Nope, Johnson was traded for 2 first round picks, and Boris Diaw, a bench player on the Hawks, who is intergral to the suns team now. He also shipped supposedly amazing Richardson off to save cap space, and re-signed stoudamire, diaw, and marion.

Discovered and made amazing D'antoni.

Signed Ivaroni, who is know running the ship in Memphis.

Drafted Deng, and signed Raja Bell....

list goes on man.

came to toronto, traded the injuried played less than a season always Villeneuva for TJ ford. Found borderline all-star Jose Calderon. Re-signed Chris Bosh. Discovered the 27 year old NBDL bum in Jamario Moon and finished something like 5th in the rookie ballots. Discovered Jorge Garbajosa, who when playing was the satistically efficient SF in our division.

Turned toronto from a 27 win team, and the players in the league voting Sam Mitchell as the WORST NBA Coach. To a season later, when the raptors go +20, with 47 wins, and Sam Mitchell is named...... Coach of the Year, along with Colangelo as the exec of the year.



But really, its Detroit, be proud of the sports teams, thats all you got brother, hahahahah thats all you got.
 

HermanJ.

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summy, my friend .. i'm from canada, and even i know that the raptors suck. :eek: they aren't going to win a championship anytime soon. i'll be surprised if they can even make it to the eastern conference finals. we have to face it, our one and only canadian teams sucks. :-\ and why is it that the good ol' game that was originated by a canadian only has one team in the league, that's just whack!! :p ::)
 

NSC

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Hi Summy, can you please respond to me!!! I'm eagerly awaiting your response....I never heard from you and I want to sooooooo so bad!
 

HarmanSingh

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Summy said:
Most consistent teams in NBA history? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Lets put it this way, since Detroits conception into the NBA, a span of about 50 years (yes 5 and then 0) they have won 3 titles.

San Antonio won 3 titles since in the last 6 years. Teams that are much more succesful than you, by YOUR OWN ACCORD, which is winning the title?

Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Spurs to name a few...So got off your wanna be high horse. Yeah thats right Toronto, the 13 year franchise hasnt won any championships, but we are newest franchise in the NBA, so it will take a while.

HAHA you dont even know your own starting lineup. TOP POINT GUARD? haha maybe back in 04 buddy, Billups was benched during crucial times for a reason. Stuckey is your PG now. Hmmm, Nash, Paul, Williams, Bibby, Parker, Arenas, Iverson, Kidd, and maybe even Baron davis, are all better Point guards. an underrated SF? Oh you mean the guy who averaged 13 points in the regular season, BUT STEPPED up his game in the post season averaging.... 13 points? Yeah hes a defenseive player, but calm down, aint nobody underrating tayshaun prince. An All-star centre? First off I Maxiell or McDyess didnt make the all-star team buddy. And I assume you mean Rasheed Wallace, who is your starting 4...Geez, I know its easy to get it in the big D, but lay off the crack.


HAHAH AFFALO and JOHNSON arent great peices to trade. Those guys are bums, they wouldnt even fetch the trade exemption in the league. calm down, the ONLY two players I would take from your team is Hamilton and Prince, Rasheed is a lazy, non character guy, and is exactly the reason why you guys cant keep a coach. If FLIP SAUNDERS, a guy who made kevin garnett into the intense human being he is cant motivate wallace to play 82 games, Curry wont be all that better. Thats why dumars will be unloading him


YOU WILL NOT BE IN THE ECF next year with that team. Your getting a rookie coach, with a GM yelling at reporters about how shitty your performance was in the CF this year. The reason why you guys got in, is because of your coach, and you do have a talented squad. Much better than what the east was offering last year. But with Rose, Beasley, coming into the east. Along with a healthy wade, and marion, add in there Clevleand's bid to get Vince Carter, without giving up Big Ben or smith, toronto's addition of Jermaine Oneal, and the possibility of adding Diaw on top of that, and bringing over Roko Ukic, a taller, faster, Calderon; also The Sixers who almost beat you guys, possibly getting Josh Smith and your gonna have a much better East.



You have to explain to me why they let those guys go, know much mroe about your own team than you do. The fact is, with losing Okur, they never found a respectable centre after that. Maxiell or McDyess are not starting 5's and this league, and your brilliant GM went out and got the supposed starting 5, Mohammed, which worked out BRILLANTLY.

Ohh well, I guess they were depending on Darko to do that C job eh? Hmmmm, what ever happened to that SECOND overall pick, next to LEBRON FREAKING JAMES, ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, TJ Ford, David West, Leandro Barbaso, Josh Howard and the list goes on. HECK, YOU GOT SECOND ROUND PICKS LIKE KORVER, BLAKE, AND KAPONO doing better off than that bum Darko.

REAL SMART MOVE BY DUMARS. Even knows europeans take 2 years to develop with playing time. So, Dumars will sit there and draft the most UN-READY player in the draft, and not let him develope in Europe... no thats too smart... but stick him at the end of the bench in detroit for a couple seasons, only to have him play off the bench after that. SMART. Then you have NBA ready guys like Wade, Anthony, Bosh, Hinrich, Barbosa and other contributing to their team right away.


I remember that draft, and I remember every analysist saying that Darko shouldnt go to the Pistons and if he did, they should trade down. Everyone knew he wasnt going to get playing time. Everyone except Joe Dumars.



Now lets compare him to Bryan Colangelo... The two time exec of the year took a really shitty team in the Phoneix Suns over...


He drafted all-stars and much better players then any of the all-starts in Detroit in Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudamire.

Traded Kidd for Maurbary, and then packaged Maurbary and Hardaway, to get the expiring contract of McDyess.

What did he do with the money off the books.

Paid for the guy that Dallas thought the best days were behind him in Jason Kidd.

With All-Star Joe Johnson on the team, what would Dumars do? Hmm probably let his contract go out and then watch him blot (ie okur). Nope, Johnson was traded for 2 first round picks, and Boris Diaw, a bench player on the Hawks, who is intergral to the suns team now. He also shipped supposedly amazing Richardson off to save cap space, and re-signed stoudamire, diaw, and marion.

Discovered and made amazing D'antoni.

Signed Ivaroni, who is know running the ship in Memphis.

Drafted Deng, and signed Raja Bell....

list goes on man.

came to toronto, traded the injuried played less than a season always Villeneuva for TJ ford. Found borderline all-star Jose Calderon. Re-signed Chris Bosh. Discovered the 27 year old NBDL bum in Jamario Moon and finished something like 5th in the rookie ballots. Discovered Jorge Garbajosa, who when playing was the satistically efficient SF in our division.

Turned toronto from a 27 win team, and the players in the league voting Sam Mitchell as the WORST NBA Coach. To a season later, when the raptors go +20, with 47 wins, and Sam Mitchell is named...... Coach of the Year, along with Colangelo as the exec of the year.



But really, its Detroit, be proud of the sports teams, thats all you got brother, hahahahah thats all you got.
Yes, one of the most consistent teams in NBA history. The teams ranks up there in most consecutive trips to ECF. I didn't say they have the most titles, but they are contenders almost every year. Deny that all you want, but it is a fact. I didn't say they are THE most consistent, but one of the most consistent for sure.

Yeah, Billups is a top point gaurd in this league. Their is a reason he has been elected to the all-star team for the last 3 years buddy. He wasn't voted by fans, but elected. Billups was benched at crucial times int he playoffs because he was INJURED, but go ahead and ignore that. Stuckey has a very bright future, but the he is still young and will struggle at times. Billups has proven time and time again he can lead his team to the ECF, over Kidd and Arenas...who have had plenty of talent on their rosters. You tell me who is better? Billups is clearly a top point gaurd, and damn near every GM in the league would tell you so. He has been healthy, a leader, runs the team with poise and is a proven winner...some of those guys you listed aren't. Prince is often the #4 option on the team, and is PPG reflects that. If you judge how good a player is by that stat, you are way off. He is a guy who plays D, and does what he has to do to keep the team moving. Their is a reason the Olympic team chose him over a lot of talented players...he keeps his mouth shut, produces, and is very versatile (gaurds best player on other team whether they are PG, SG, SF) and he can post guys down, shoot from the outside and rebound. Hate all you want, but he is underated.

Rasheed was the starting C. McDyess was the starting PF. You are just flat out wrong there. And Wallace is a player the Raps would much rather have over JOneal, I can guarantee that. Again, reason he was again elected to the all star team. For a guy who is so hated, you wonder why he consistently is praised as a top big man in this league?

Teams were offering starters for Amir Johnson last year. He was offered close to MLEs by some teams also (Houston Rockets were chasing him hard last summer). You have probably never even seen him play, so you can wait for the next couple years as he develops. He is a guy who a lot of teams were/are looking at as a nice young player who can develop. Afflalo has proven he has potential to be a solid rotation guy in the league. He is young and can play good D. When he improves his J, he is in good shape.

Lol, Dumars wasn't "yelling" at reporters. He was actually pretty calm but more so frustrated. You are putting waaaaay too much emphasis on coaching man. Flip Saunders could never get his playoff teams over the hump into the finals. Saunders is a part of the reason we have LOST so many times in the playoffs recently. He never motivated guys, never had a consistent rotation, rarely used the bench before last season and has shown he is a choker in the playoffs. Former players have even admitted they never respected Saunders in the lockeroom. Michael Curry is going to do just fine as a rookie coach.

LOL, Cleveland with Vince Carter!?!? OMG they are so good now! Ya, Ben Wallace is also a beast in the middle and will only improve with age. lol, the Cavs arent doing anything to improve. The Heat don't have enough right now to win either.

"I remember every analysist saying that Darko shouldnt go to the Pistons and if he did, they should trade down."- No, most analysts liked this pick as he was a project and the Pistons were in a position to win a title (which they did that very year). Most saw Darko as a great future player. Dumars messed up, its that simple. But hey, it happens. No GM is perfect...your boyfriend Colangelo drafted Baragnani

You are right, Maxiell and McDyess are not starting 5s, they are 4s, thats why they have this guy named Rasheed Wallace starting the 5. You dont even know what guys play what positions Summy. This debate is getting ridiculous.



"The reason why you guys got in, is because of your coach, and you do have a talented squad." So, then Dumars must a great GM right? He hired a great coach and put together a talented squad. Ok, so then Dumars put together a more talented squad than Colangelo, hired a better coach than Colangelo, has been able to get out of the first round unlike Colangelo, yet Colangelo is better? Ok, thats cool. Makes perfect sense.

"With All-Star Joe Johnson on the team, what would Dumars do? Hmm probably let his contract go out and then watch him blot (ie okur)." No, he would probably trade him for an allstar and potential future hall of famer like he did with Grant Hill for Ben Wallace. Probably what he would do. You don't realize that Okur wanted to START and was demanding big time money. Had to choose between him and Wallace...team was just coming off a title in which Wallace was huge, and they went back to the finals the next year and lost in game 7. I think he made a wise move. And when a player is an URFA you cant just trade them like that.

"Discovered and made amazing D'antoni." Yeah, he is great. Such a proven winner who couldnt lead a team of Nash, Marion, Stoudemire and a great bench to the finals. He sure is amazing. And I thought the coach determined everything Summy? SO either Colangelo failed in building the team, or failed in hiring the right coach. You choose.

"But really, its Detroit, be proud of the sports teams, thats all you got brother, hahahahah thats all you got."- Yep, resort to that again.

I am done with this convo, you dont even know what guys play what positions and are arguing with me over whether the Pistons have been consistent. Its almost absurd.
 

Summy

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haha obviously your getting a little delusional yourself brother. You claim that Ben Wallace is garbage and insinuating that he is not getting better with age, then turn and call me... A POTENTIAL HALL OF FARMER.Yeah forget all the guys that walked out of Detroit, and think that it was brillance, when Dumars almost released Wallace.

Billups was an all-star.... IN THE EAST Buddy. He is not one of the Top Guards. Almost all the top guards exist in the west. He is not even the top 7 in the league. Nash, Kidd, Paul, D. Williams, Parker, Iverson, Arenas (injuried), Baron Davis, are all guys statistically, and in reality better than him. Out of those guys, 6 guys played in the west last year and 1 was traded after the deadline (kidd). So is billups an all-star in the east... Yeah when his competition is what? Speedy Claxton and Andre Miller. Think of a respectable PG in the east that has any hope of being an allstar? Jamal Magloire, Antonio Davis, were all-stars too.

Dumars hired the great coaches that he has fired numerous times as well. Carisle, Brown, and Saunders, three of the best coaches in the NBA, all canned.


URFA, you need to learn ball. You trade him before the deadline, get something in return. Dumars has let so many guys go without getting anything, to sign magical guys like Darko, and Nazar Mohameed.


You make ABSOLUTELY no sense. You claim that for Detroit, success if being consistent and doesnt matter in winning titles. Then you turn around and say Phoenix was unsuccessful because they didnt win any titles. You claim detroit was successful because they were contenders every year. YEAH WELL THE SUNS WERE ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE PISTONS, AND ARE CONTENDERS EVERY YEAR, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FINALS EVERY YEAR EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THEY WERE IN THE WEST. You are hating on the Suns, when they had better records, and players than the pistons and consistently beat out better teams. hahahahahahahahah. In the same post of all things. Make up your mind. HAHAHA. Ben Wallace, and the phoenix suns, your starting to argue against yourself.

Yeah after reading your last post, I would stop as well.

WOOFF, that hurt my head.
 

Gugu

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Summy stop overusing "HAHAHAHAHA". It doesn't make you look like you have a point besides nobody else is laughing with you. Also Harman really pwned this argument. Stop trying to put down teams that are flat out consistent at least. Phoenix never went to the finals, messed up big time with Shaq trade and their window is closed. Detroit won the championship so clearly they were the best team in the league for some point and still are top contenders. They still gave the Celts a run, just need to get rid of Sheed and bring in a stronger presence inside n they should be back to ECF again at least.

And what do you expect of fans like me? I'm a die hard warrriors fan, so I'll argue with you all day if you're gonna talk s*** about my team, simple as that. Yea we sucked, may have made some bad moves, but so does every GM. You take risks while rebuilding. Few times gambles pay off, most times they dont. I could care less about the last 12 seasons. I only care about the present. Im gonna defend my team obviously if you come here and say we're a s***ty franchise. And man, stop calling other franchises out when the Raps are only worse than us. You're so caught up in reminding others about the times other teams sucked that you're forgetting where your own team's been. And trust me Oneal's not takin you guys anywhere, he's a straight up has been.

And if you wanna debate you should argue all points in others' posts, not just the points you like. I love how you handpick the arguments, like someone else said, shows how you are just arguing for the sake of argument.

Btw this topic has gone completely off topic.
 

ranjit singh

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NSC said:
O Summy, you are so secure with yourself, that is quite apparent. Hopefully one day I can reach your high standards of success and attain the wealth of knowledge that you have about every aspect of life, be it Punjab, Sikhi, Bhangra, or even the NBA. How is it that you are always so right and logical? Each one of your posts is a whirlwind of wisdom, so constructive, appropriate and enthralling.

Man, do I feel bad for all those Indians in Michigan. They must all live in the actual city of Detroit like Harman, subject to such a poor quality of life. Did you know that there are actually ZERO suburbs in the metro detroit area? Everyone is ghetto, uneducated, and bleak is the best word to describe their futures.

Summy, I respect you so much. What a great lawyer you must be. Have a good one!
lmao
 
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