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Bruin 2012 Results
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Kaur
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Jatt08 said:
Why would you say such a thing? Wow!! I think after their achievements of countless trophies and the White House they don't need to buy placings. Agree or not with the placings is a side story but that's uncalled for.Jatt08 said:
CONGRATS to Empire, Aeg, Abc and Drp I'm sure you guys all ripped it
Great show, lots of energy. Empire's set was incredibly entertaining and the dholi from the ceiling gimmick was insane. I'm not going to debate whether or not they deserved first, but I definitely enjoyed the set.
IMHO there were five or six teams that could have placed. Cal was awesome as usual, with great nakhra and really clean moves, although there was some repetition, I thought they ripped it. AEG was really excellent, their gimmicks were dope, and Navi Sandhu 3.0 was very cool. Much more solid set than Elite, tbh. DRP had some sweet gimmicks and watching Iqwak dance was DOPE (SPOILER ALERT). ABC came out of nowhere and ripped it. I was really impressed and they totally deserved their placing.
I want to give a shout-out to BK. I know they didn't place, and I want to tell them to hold their heads high. They were unbelievable, had an amazingly clean set (way to really step it up, guys) and their gimmick was absolutely nuts. In my opinion, all of these guys deserved it and every team that came here tonight danced their collective ass off. Props to everyone, this was probably the best comp of the year so far. Congratulations to all of the teams and I'm looking forward to being back here next year.
IMHO there were five or six teams that could have placed. Cal was awesome as usual, with great nakhra and really clean moves, although there was some repetition, I thought they ripped it. AEG was really excellent, their gimmicks were dope, and Navi Sandhu 3.0 was very cool. Much more solid set than Elite, tbh. DRP had some sweet gimmicks and watching Iqwak dance was DOPE (SPOILER ALERT). ABC came out of nowhere and ripped it. I was really impressed and they totally deserved their placing.
I want to give a shout-out to BK. I know they didn't place, and I want to tell them to hold their heads high. They were unbelievable, had an amazingly clean set (way to really step it up, guys) and their gimmick was absolutely nuts. In my opinion, all of these guys deserved it and every team that came here tonight danced their collective ass off. Props to everyone, this was probably the best comp of the year so far. Congratulations to all of the teams and I'm looking forward to being back here next year.
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First thing's first-congrats to all the teams that placed! Well done
Congrats to my boys on AEG!
B) How a team spends its money is nobody's business but that team's. It's not yours, it's not ours. You took a cheap shot at their spending, but chose not to mention just how hard the team's worked for their money in the first place or just how much Empire has accomplished... WHY? Because it wouldn't support your statement, which you probably shouldn't have made in the first place.
C) Spending $10K on gimmicks doesn't guarantee 1st place (what happens if the gimmick doesn't hit... or if it doesn't work). Spending $10K means... spending $10k, and really nothing more. It's more of a risk than an actual 1st place guarantee.
Empire worked hard to earn the money and now chose to spend it-not to "guarantee 1st place" but to take risks and to entertain a crowd. I mean, shouldn't this actually be a message that we are teaching future generations?
Congrats to my boys on AEG!
A) Agreed with jfried-I HIGHLY doubt it cost that much.Jatt08 said:
B) How a team spends its money is nobody's business but that team's. It's not yours, it's not ours. You took a cheap shot at their spending, but chose not to mention just how hard the team's worked for their money in the first place or just how much Empire has accomplished... WHY? Because it wouldn't support your statement, which you probably shouldn't have made in the first place.
C) Spending $10K on gimmicks doesn't guarantee 1st place (what happens if the gimmick doesn't hit... or if it doesn't work). Spending $10K means... spending $10k, and really nothing more. It's more of a risk than an actual 1st place guarantee.
Empire worked hard to earn the money and now chose to spend it-not to "guarantee 1st place" but to take risks and to entertain a crowd. I mean, shouldn't this actually be a message that we are teaching future generations?
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Jatt08 - I'm curious to know where you got this 10K number. Please upload an Excel spreadsheet showing how you calculated this based on their expenses for the gimmick.
Seems like you're just a hater who pulled this number out of his ass or maybe you heard it from some other haters.
Give credit where it's due man - Empire took 1st, had the most crowd entertaining set (which is what all teams going into Bruin know that this comp is about), and has accomplished an insane amount as a bhangra/dance team outside of the competitive scene.
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Seems like you're just a hater who pulled this number out of his ass or maybe you heard it from some other haters.
Give credit where it's due man - Empire took 1st, had the most crowd entertaining set (which is what all teams going into Bruin know that this comp is about), and has accomplished an insane amount as a bhangra/dance team outside of the competitive scene.
~ Basim
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I did not talk to anyone on Empire, but I heard from multiple sources that cost of the Empire routine was just under 10k, and EVERY single dancer there was talking about it, so let's not rip Jatt08 too hard now guys. He's just relaying what we were all discussing backstage.
For clarification, Rigging in general will run around 3-4k, high end rigging closer to 8k (labor, equipment, insurance, etc). Keep in mind we're also in Hollywood and I believe they got hollywood-quality rigging so it was going to be on the higher end.
I don't know the exact number , but make no mistake, that entire set did cost thousands of dollars, and it raises interesting questions. To ask those questions isn't being a hater, it's asking what that means for bhangra teams. If a live team spent thousands of dollars to bring in the unquestionable best ustaads from india to play/sing for them would we care as much? We'd probably be proud and excited, and I think that's unfair. I would understand the argument that the band is integral to the dancing for live teams, but I'd counter that there are talented artists in canada and US, and that bringing the Indian artists is to fulfill a once-in-lifetime opportunity. Same thing here, no?
Whether spending a ton of money is good or bad, I have no opinion. If you have money, I see no reason not to spend it. Empire has been flown to DC twice, and gone to London, done music Videos, millions of youtube hits, etc. I think it was more about doing something we've all talked or dreamed of rather than the win itself. It's not about winning just for winning with them, it's about doing everything they can maintain the legacy of Empire, I absolutely can't find fault in that, and I don't think the rigging is why they won (but more on that in a separate post)
For clarification, Rigging in general will run around 3-4k, high end rigging closer to 8k (labor, equipment, insurance, etc). Keep in mind we're also in Hollywood and I believe they got hollywood-quality rigging so it was going to be on the higher end.
I don't know the exact number , but make no mistake, that entire set did cost thousands of dollars, and it raises interesting questions. To ask those questions isn't being a hater, it's asking what that means for bhangra teams. If a live team spent thousands of dollars to bring in the unquestionable best ustaads from india to play/sing for them would we care as much? We'd probably be proud and excited, and I think that's unfair. I would understand the argument that the band is integral to the dancing for live teams, but I'd counter that there are talented artists in canada and US, and that bringing the Indian artists is to fulfill a once-in-lifetime opportunity. Same thing here, no?
Whether spending a ton of money is good or bad, I have no opinion. If you have money, I see no reason not to spend it. Empire has been flown to DC twice, and gone to London, done music Videos, millions of youtube hits, etc. I think it was more about doing something we've all talked or dreamed of rather than the win itself. It's not about winning just for winning with them, it's about doing everything they can maintain the legacy of Empire, I absolutely can't find fault in that, and I don't think the rigging is why they won (but more on that in a separate post)
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swi brings up interesting points, as did (albeit badly) Jatt08. how "fair" is it that Empire can spend a sum of money that most teams will never see, ever, on a single performance?
perhaps the rigging isn't the single factor that gave them first (i'm not saying it is), but the appearance of such an expensive stunt begs a question: is the theoretical upper limit of gimmick craziness set by money, not creativity? as dancers competing against a team that has resources far beyond what you will ever have, how do you feel?
i mean, i'd say that until now, people have assumed that what allows one team to win over another is their dancing ability and bhangra knowledge. competitive bhangra, outside of prize money, is relatively unsullied by financial inequity. sure, there are teams who are unable to travel to competitions because they lack the money to do so, etc., but those problems stay within a team. i've never seen a team so clearly stand out from others by the use of cash. something about that fact does not sit well with me. the ceiling dholi was not the only outstanding part of empire's performance, but it was certainly the most memorable. ask any audience member what they remember from that routine. "ceiling dholi."
perhaps the rigging isn't the single factor that gave them first (i'm not saying it is), but the appearance of such an expensive stunt begs a question: is the theoretical upper limit of gimmick craziness set by money, not creativity? as dancers competing against a team that has resources far beyond what you will ever have, how do you feel?
i mean, i'd say that until now, people have assumed that what allows one team to win over another is their dancing ability and bhangra knowledge. competitive bhangra, outside of prize money, is relatively unsullied by financial inequity. sure, there are teams who are unable to travel to competitions because they lack the money to do so, etc., but those problems stay within a team. i've never seen a team so clearly stand out from others by the use of cash. something about that fact does not sit well with me. the ceiling dholi was not the only outstanding part of empire's performance, but it was certainly the most memorable. ask any audience member what they remember from that routine. "ceiling dholi."
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i will not be impressed until i see said "ceiling dholi" play dhol upside down through the whole set. that is all.voxanimus said:
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To be honest, I don't think the ceiling dholi did much for Empire. They could have taken first place without it. Their entire set was ridiculously entertaining and fun. As far as the cost of the gimmick, only the committee and Empire knew about it, pretty sure the judges don't realize it took extra work and money anyway.
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When I think of rigging, I think of team captains/coaches LITERALLY paying dollars to judges to place their team first. I dunno if I'd call this rigging (unless there's something I don't know).
When it comes to traditional comps (Elite-ish, DDA, VPD, BAB), it's all about bhangra. The only thing that will buy a first place trophy is collective team talent.
When it comes to modern comps (Boston, Bruin)-regardless of anything, money doesn't guarantee first place. Boston '09, APD won first and beat Empire (and the rest of us, for that matter). I didn't see anything worth thousands of dollars in APD's set (other than a down payment for a life insurance policy). It was a simple, modern, set with towers everywhere. The crowd literally ate that shit up... and nobody could take that moment from them-regardless of how much was spent T-shirts, Michael Jackson impersonators, where ever Sheel got his moonwalking skills... nothing.
It's not about the money-it's about pushing the limit and thinking beyond the box. You don't need money to do that. A functioning brain and a good set of cogliones will do the trick.
When it comes to traditional comps (Elite-ish, DDA, VPD, BAB), it's all about bhangra. The only thing that will buy a first place trophy is collective team talent.
When it comes to modern comps (Boston, Bruin)-regardless of anything, money doesn't guarantee first place. Boston '09, APD won first and beat Empire (and the rest of us, for that matter). I didn't see anything worth thousands of dollars in APD's set (other than a down payment for a life insurance policy). It was a simple, modern, set with towers everywhere. The crowd literally ate that shit up... and nobody could take that moment from them-regardless of how much was spent T-shirts, Michael Jackson impersonators, where ever Sheel got his moonwalking skills... nothing.
It's not about the money-it's about pushing the limit and thinking beyond the box. You don't need money to do that. A functioning brain and a good set of cogliones will do the trick.
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campy614 said:
I'm pretty sure by rigging they mean stage rigging as in the equipment used to bring the dholi down from the ceiling