Disturbing video US troops insane: American Hypocrisy

[Meistro]

Meistro,

I understand your concerns and we will address them at our next meeting, thank you for the feedback which we take very seriously. Our goal is to ensure all members can state their opinion in a respectful and productive manner. We do have a system but there is always room for improvement - member satisfaction is our first priority.

First time I noticed this was when Sulman (sorry to name names) posted about someone who was questioning where the funds for a certain competition was going. Instead of posting as his opinion or his own statement, he used a Moderator's Note and blue font to express his disgust for what this person was saying. Now, i don't mean put him on blast, but after that, i became more cautious of these incidents. Moderators: Please stop using your blue font and moderator's notes if you are posting something that is YOUR opinion or if YOU don't agree with something. My interpretation of a moderator's note is something that ALL moderators agree upon, which they feel should be corrected or brought to everyone's attention. Going back to Sulman's post (which REALLY made me somewhat question the credibility of the moderators), that was HIS soul opinion, it was an experience that HE had and not one of his other fellow moderators. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find that thread, but if I do I will use that as an example. Again, no offense to Sulman, and I am not dissing the moderators, I just wish that you would me a little more fair in what is and isnt acceptable. I know you guys are doing the best that you can. Its not easy to moderate a whole website and you are bound to have mishaps, but lets be a little more organized and think before we use blue font and your authority as moderator. Thanks. I still love you all.

 

[Summy]

Meistro, Ive had your same concerns. Its hard for them because they are participate in the conversations and also have to moderate it. But I agree you guys gotta be more comprehensive with your moderation. But overall you guys are doing a good job.

Turbo,

See people like Faizan man, they dont see that side of the story. They think that every single solidier is in Iraq is killing innocents, torturing the locals and hates muslims/ all Iraqis. I have met soliders in my life who have said they oppose the war. However, they are doing what they are told is best for the country> Dont get shit twisted, the troops are acting people who used to rape, and torture the locals. There was a story of a young boy that was set on fire and he moved and was embraced by some americans and now is a permanent resident in America attending school (i believe the story was on CNN)...

Alot of these solidiers are good decent human beings. They perform a gruesome task but wish they never had to do it. The 4000 young men and women who were killed, and the numerous thousand that were injuried, I would argue the majority dont wish harm upon innocents of that country. My friend who lost his life, his family is bitter towards the american government but not towards the people of that country.


Regarding Faizan, in my opinion (this shouldnt be moderatored because Im putting this as nicely as possible) he thinks his statement is somehow enpowering to his muslim identity. Its SO incredibly sad because he spits on the face of the progressive young american muslims who try to shake that negative perception that he is putting forth.... The perception that muslims are unsympathetic to the erradiction of certain movements just because those movements have a muslim backing...

A lot of young muslims feel like the blame should be on the puppet masters not the puppets. If I dont agree with 9/11, or the 7/7 atttacks, or any other ones, how "enpowering" would it be for me to walk around and say "fuck the saudis, fuck the pakistanis, fuck the iranians, fuck the afghanis"... Faizan is playing to the ignorance that drives and seperates the world... He is as guilty as the bushes, the cheaneys, and those of the world who believe degrading is the way to go...

He doesnt want to "debate". Im sure if he would leave his house and yell it, nobody else would want to debate with him either. Also, from what others what told me about this guy my 7 year old patijaa could have him retract his statement as well (hes not "rebel" he wants others to think he is)

 

[Summy]

P.S.

I have a friend in the national reserve in new york right now (a gursikh's brother in law) and I asked him if we would be opposed to meeting with Faizan... He said he would be gald to... I just mentioned the fuck the troops to him, but I said, watch out because hes a rebel, and he doesnt care if you call him unpatriotic...

I sent a PM to Faizan to see if he wants to meet with him... Ill let you know when faizan doesnt respond back.. Hes not that crazy

 

[Saleem]

Guys,

We strive to keep moderation comments in blue and only those in blue. We'll keep your feedback inmind in future mod actions

Summy, I'm just posting frommy phone and us mods are still discussing any potential mods necessaryfrom this thread. A short comment that BTF's rules are specific to ban personal insults so that's where you'll see most mods. People may voice ideas which u and others find as ignorant/backwards without necessarily breaking any rules. I say this from the road, where I haven't read this full thread so that might not be the case here

 

[faizan]

wow this is being blown way out of proportion...i am sorry if i offended you guys, I admit saying "fuck the troops" was awful of me...i was just angry from just having seen that video...sorry everyone...my beliefs are radical i guess, i just diddn't mean to offend all of you, and for that i am sorry...

if anyone wants to say anything else to me, please send me a PM...otherwise, keep this discussion relevant to the original purpose of the thread...

 

[Basim]

WOW is correct!!

My intention for posting this video was not to create hostility toward one another on this forum, but was to show a perspective that the television channels, newspapers, etc often cover up in the eyes of American people. Keep in mind, that the video showed only bits and pieces of a few incidents that managed to get recorded & leaked into public hands. Just imagine what other kinds of things happen on a day to day basis that are swept under a rug.

As you could have noted from that "Hot or Not" thread.. I am against the war, against the actions of President Bush, against the U.S. foreign policy, and I do not support the REASON our own people (American soliders) had to go to war. I feel they should have been brought back YEARS ago (the war started in 2003 I believe) based on a BELIEF of "weapons on mass destruction."

I agree that we shouldn't place blame on the soldiers themselves, especially on those who had no choice in the matter. Personally, if I was drafted to this type of a war, I would rather sit in jail.. but that's just based on my beliefs so don't kill me :-*

In the end, we are part of a small community that should respect one another (and each other's beliefs). That does not mean you have to argee with everything said or done on BTF, but all staff and regular members should be at certain maturity/professional level when facilitating any sort of intelligent discussion.

~ Basim

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