Elite 8 Bhangra Invitational 2012: Judging Package

[Ajay.H]

I'm about to go off on a tangent here, but bear with me. I just thought of a new approach to judging:


Specialized judging.


That is to say, each judge would be asked to focus on 1-3 different aspects of the judging rubric, and judge only those criteria across all teams. This would allow each judge to focus his/her attention on only what is necessary, instead of trying to follow every single facet of every team's performance, allowing him/her ample time to take notes and process everything.


Another reason I like this is because each judge is naturally specialized in different areas already. Some, such as myself, are traditional-minded, and the first thing they look for is proper form and grace. Some are creative-minded and like to see unique formations and choreography. Some value uniformity above everything.


So why not play to these strengths and have the judges judge what they know best?

Overall, I like that idea. One thing you lose is the variety in opinions on different aspects. Example, your "creativity" judge may have one view of creativity and think that doing traditional moves in a creative way is the best way of being creative, while other judges/teams may think that creativity is best expressed through intricate choreo or crazy formations. There's for sure a lot of positive with this idea of specialized judging, though.

I'm not sure if you're having multiple judges per aspect or just one per every couple aspects. Maybe split the rubric in half, based on themes and assign a few judges to each theme? Choreo/execution vs. formations/synchronization? Something like that. That way judges can at least balance each other out a little bit.

 

[Kaur]

Idols is done like that. They have specialized judges for each category, so one judge pays attention to just stamina, stunts, formations etc. And the judges they have for each of those categories are usually picked according to their experience.

And they clearly point out what falls under what category, some of them overlap for example if you have people helping you put up a stunt you would score less on the stunt but also in stamina points.

Dont know if this helps take away the 'first team' issue but it does allow for fair juding instead of each judge having to watch every aspect of the routine and trying to mark them.

 

[siddyp]

I'm about to go off on a tangent here, but bear with me. I just thought of a new approach to judging:


Specialized judging.


That is to say, each judge would be asked to focus on 1-3 different aspects of the judging rubric, and judge only those criteria across all teams. This would allow each judge to focus his/her attention on only what is necessary, instead of trying to follow every single facet of every team's performance, allowing him/her ample time to take notes and process everything.


Another reason I like this is because each judge is naturally specialized in different areas already. Some, such as myself, are traditional-minded, and the first thing they look for is proper form and grace. Some are creative-minded and like to see unique formations and choreography. Some value uniformity above everything.


So why not play to these strengths and have the judges judge what they know best?

i really like this idea, but an issue that could happen: if a judge misses something that another judge sees, then it CAN becomes an issue unless there is some kind of protocol set. if the cleanliness judge misses someone falling for whatever reason, and the tradish judge actually sees it, what do you do? from what I have experienced, the judges themselves will mark it if they saw it. if they didn't see it, how can they justify marking it if someone else just told them it happened. the prob isn't trusting the other judge, but when the team asks for feedback and you say: I didn't see it but another judge (who wasn't judging cleanliness) told me someone fell. the team will prob be like ?????

the advantage of having every judge judging everything is so the judges can tell you who had the best performance. doesn't idols just go strictly off of points? << something a few people are saying to eliminate all together

 

[Sido90]

Hey y'all


So I'm affiliated with Raas Nationals and just wanted to share the way we do our judging. I think it's one of the best systems out there.


So we have 9 judges and we split them into 3 categories: Choreography, Execution, Artistic Elements (3 judges per category).

The judging rubric has all the teams listed on one page and the judges mark in pencil so that they are able to change scores if needed. This is our effort to eliminate the show order issue.

The scores are all entered in a spreadsheet during judges deliberation.

During deliberation, judges have 30 seconds each to discuss their top 2 teams. We keep a strict time limit so that no one judge can dominate the conversation. There's two rounds of discussion. At the end of the discussion period, each judge gives their top 2 teams. The team that they give 1st place to is given 20 bonus points and the team they give 2nd place to is given 10 bonus points.

All the points are added on the spreadsheet and a winner is determined.

I know it's kind of confusing and I probably left some important details out but, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask or PM me!

 

[lavesh]

lol if you want proper bhangra judges on the scene then say by by to all this modern bhangra....itll be pure traditional with a hit of creativity...these judges have to be placed there as they like and know modern bhangra..if you put real bhangra judges in the scene say bye bye to all these hardcore gimmicks and say hellow to raw folk bhangra ..just my opinion

thank you

 

[J Wong]

lol if you want proper bhangra judges on the scene then say by by to all this modern bhangra....itll be pure traditional with a hit of creativity...these judges have to be placed there as they like and know modern bhangra..if you put real bhangra judges in the scene say bye bye to all these hardcore gimmicks and say hellow to raw folk bhangra ..just my opinion

thank you

Yeah unfortunately bhangra doesn't win competitions anymore, I bet a live team would lose if they came here because of their lack of gimmicks, but then again that is just my opinion.

 

[Nav Aujla]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

 

[Aaron.B]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

+1 ridin LOL

 

[Shahrukh]

\Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.

Realest shit ever

 

[Bhangra Critic]

+1

 

[Bhangra Critic]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

+1

 

[hsdeol]

I'm about to go off on a tangent here, but bear with me. I just thought of a new approach to judging:


Specialized judging.


That is to say, each judge would be asked to focus on 1-3 different aspects of the judging rubric, and judge only those criteria across all teams. This would allow each judge to focus his/her attention on only what is necessary, instead of trying to follow every single facet of every team's performance, allowing him/her ample time to take notes and process everything.


Another reason I like this is because each judge is naturally specialized in different areas already. Some, such as myself, are traditional-minded, and the first thing they look for is proper form and grace. Some are creative-minded and like to see unique formations and choreography. Some value uniformity above everything.


So why not play to these strengths and have the judges judge what they know best?

jasmeet kapoor should judge beards for all guy teams.

 

[mithu]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

Spoken like a bhangra-god lol.

 

[ban3rg]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

[SIZE=x-small]Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think. [/SIZE]
WELL SAID.

 

[campy614]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.

Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

I feel like I've been saying this for years now. Finally, someone gets it.

I'm about to go off on a tangent here, but bear with me. I just thought of a new approach to judging:

Specialized judging.

That is to say, each judge would be asked to focus on 1-3 different aspects of the judging rubric, and judge only those criteria across all teams. This would allow each judge to focus his/her attention on only what is necessary, instead of trying to follow every single facet of every team's performance, allowing him/her ample time to take notes and process everything.

Another reason I like this is because each judge is naturally specialized in different areas already. Some, such as myself, are traditional-minded, and the first thing they look for is proper form and grace. Some are creative-minded and like to see unique formations and choreography. Some value uniformity above everything.

So why not play to these strengths and have the judges judge what they know best?

In theory I think this works.

However (and not to be combative or sound like an a-hole), I'm not so sure how I'd feel about itemizing each aspect of a performance. What about the big picture, and the individual elements working together for one performance as a whole? And what about the winner in the moment, the atmosphere during each performance? On the one hand we can proudly claim that bhangra is an art form, and on the other we are itemizing it. Maybe I would just need a little more convincing.

As far as the performances go-I think every team BROUGHT IT. Each individual performance could have placed, if not win, a competition. But I think we can agree that the three standing above the rest were JJ, UNC, and NYPD. Each of them were, simply, amazing. And I say this not because I calculated everything-I say it because each team had a "moment" (I relate everything in moments and I don't know where I got it from), and they were brilliant.

We can all make an argument for each of these teams. Each deserved to win it for their respective reasons.

So I don't blame the judges for reaching the decision for UNC. At very minimum, I can respect it. They were INCREDIBLY clean. They were creative. Drumline-GENIUS IDEA and the crowd ate that shit!! UNC worked their moment like the rent was due that night (again, I don't know where I got this). It's another one of those cases that you had to be there in the crowd to "get it."

But if you asked me, I think everyone walked away a winner that night.
BK pulled off an incredibly clean and fun routine-easily their best yet.
VCU was clean as hell and fun to watch.
AEG-3 person joris, outside of the box thinking, Navi Sandhu-Loved it.
SMD is back, and they will take no prisoners.
APD-I mean, your boy just got engaged!!
NYPD is not "the third all-guys team from Canada." They are a FORCE to be reckoned with!!
JJ-you guys still got it. 16 man folk and intelligent routine.
UNC-Brilliant.

I take that back. If you ask me, I think the real winner of Elite 8 2012 was the audience.

 

[KushK]

The teams that are scared to step outside the box are the teams that are not capable of doing so. When NJ did vibc, sgpd did groundshaker everyone could not even comprehend what had just happened. If you do not take risks, you might as well buy a ticket to the show rather than compete in it. Top teams have the ability to do raw bhangra as well as modern bhangra. Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.


Bhangra is not just a folk dance anymore, it is evolving into its own art form. Start expressing yourselves through it and stop being scared of what others think.

+fucking 1

 

[Kaur]

\Being creative is not sitting at home and watching a select number of teams and altering what they have just altered in order to get props for your respective team.

Realest shit ever

+100 teams need to stop looking the same. Just because someone spins a khunda to the right, don't spin it to the left and call it yours.

 

[Kartik]

Hahah, these threads are so ADD - first people care about Elite 8 results, then about show order theory, then about overall judging theory, and ultimately back to the usual defining bhangra questions.

That being said, Nav hit the spot. +2