Elite 8 Bhangra Invitational 2012: Team Lineup Announcements Update!

[cheena]

And Burgh judging is NOTHING like Elite 8 judging.

Collegiate teams cater to competitions/judging rubrics/styles. What makes you think a collegiate team wouldn't step up their game/amp their style coming into Elite 8 against teams like SGPD, PCBCA, NJ?

 

[siddyp]

to sue: The burgh RUBRIC is what I was referring to, which is what the judges were asked to follow. We can only assume and trust that they followed it.

To your statement about burgh vs elite judging: (at elite) VCU got 1st in year 1, and 2nd last year. Their dancing was phenomenal and they were very very clean. X factors? Bringing out the alumni was great in year 1 and probably pushed them over the edge to win, and last years x factor was a tribute to each time which honestly didn't really hit and they still got 2nd. all in all, they were very very clean and placed extremely high.

SGPD did win because they were very clean AND entertaining which translated to best team of the night hands down. but vcu, a team very comparable to unc right now got 2nd... i don't see how the judging is THAT different.. can you elaborate?

I can agree to your statement that UNC might get lost at elite, but based solely on the fact that VCU's record at elite is phenomenal leads me to wanting a better explanation.

 

[metalgearpaneer]

And Burgh judging is NOTHING like Elite 8 judging.

Collegiate teams cater to competitions/judging rubrics/styles. What makes you think a collegiate team wouldn't step up their game/amp their style coming into Elite 8 against teams like SGPD, PCBCA, NJ?

+1

 

[siddyp]

JJ Beat NYPD, Beat FAUJ, Beat UNC. Practically no dancer turnover, been working hard. They will KILL elite 8 for sure. Ask any team going to elite 8 which considered team they'd rather not compete against and I'm pretty sure JJ would top that list .

quick note: I would love to see any of the 3 teams being debated (jj, unc, fauj) at e8 because all of them would go and rip it and make some serious noise. I just love fostering good discussion.

but off of this quote swi, does no one really care that this was at the beginning of last February? Does no one care that JJ didn't beat Fauj's recent boston set, or UNC's burgh set, or nypd's T dot set?? I can agree to comparing videos and all but the fact still remains that it was last February and the other 2 teams are significantly better now than they were back then..

do we know for sure there is no dancer turnover? do we know for sure that they have been consistently practicing? Even if so, why haven't they competed? Compare it to NJ last year:

They hadn't competed after e8 1 and there were talks on the forum that someone else should potentially rep canada east IF they weren't to compete at all before e8 2 team lineup announcements started. The problem I saw with this was that it would be very hard to justify bringing another team regardless because of how good NJ is. They went to BDM, won and there was no further discussion.

In JJ's case, the US east for the 2nd spot after AEG is a bit more competitive than the spot NJ was going for in canada east. how can we justify JJ over unc or fauj knowing that the other 2 have competed consistently, done very well consistently, and placed consistently since last vpd? Yes we know JJ is phenomenal, but is it enough just to know it when we have two other teams that could EASILY be deemed worthy?

 

[indiaman5]

+1

 

[faizan]

...too much to say! Ill wait for more responses

 

[Harmeet]

LOL

 

[Saab]

Listen, these are great debates, but its a flawed system your working with. Your going to get great teams, but one year is a LONG time in a bhangra circuit, and it hurts for many teams because you run into situations with real life and etc that tend to stop teams from competing. Colleges graduate kids, independent teams find guys working or going back to school, etc. You can't reasonably expect to get the perfect 8 man lineup for a competition because of all the outside factors.

The thing that we want from Elite 8 necessarily isn't a champion who is the best in the world(still debatable), but rather a lineup that is so packed that the amount of doubt we have about that team is minimized. I think this is where the complaint lies with last years lineup: it doesn't minimize the doubt accurately enough.

The process isn't going to be fixed. Pick teams that you think are sick, and your essentially ruining a lot of good teams chances of actually getting into elite with good performances. Sure, not every lineup is going to be stacked, nor is the judging going to be equal from competition to competition, but you have to have a sense of legitimacy with teams. Picking teams based on personal bias won't make Elite an Elite competition, because without the idea of a due process you leave out teams based on discriminatory policy. No truly elite program would want to advocate a policy where the idea of anyone can make it can't work. This same thought process is relevant in all sports, politics, and instances of higher learning. What might be different is the actual RESULT, but there is the potential that ANY team or individual can make it. That is what makes Elite elite.

Is the process 100% fair, no. It can't be. Something that is 100% fair usually detracts from the value about Elite. Teams with better resources, training, etc are going to go here because they have built themselves up. However, it is only fair to include all teams into the discussion.

For the debate about teams and Elite 8. I think all teams discussed(Fauj, UNC, JJ, etc) all are great teams, and we underestimate their adaptability for such an event. The hallmark of some of the great teams is the ability to adapt and perform at wherever they go, whether they choose to or choose not too. It is very subjective to think that one team would rip it given the opportunity. Every team will "rip" it given the opportunity, and I believe they will because they are teams that win and want to win Elite. I think what hurt a team like Empire was that it preferred to do things and maintain things there way, which showcases a unique style but doesn't conform to what Elite is.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the teams mentioned. We could sit and argue about the breakdown of how teams should get in, but their seems to be an established methodology of getting into elite: Go to comps, and win them. I don't think there is a substantial difference in terms of overall presentation between a team like JJ and Fauj/UNC. They all have elite levels of the overall product, and what changes they do make for elite is great. Bottom line...its a good problem to have. They are great teams.

Also, for the teams that don't get in and we say "should" get in...They are still great teams. Competitions that come after Elite are always compared to Elite performances, so its great that we have that. It doesn't take away from them. Besides, Elite is a culmination of performances from one Elite to the next. It is not written in stone that the team is the best. Its more about that one performance in lieu of the competing acts that is.

 

[Saab]

Also, part of the allure of Elite 8 is the build up to the competition and the selection of teams. There are normally more than eight teams capable of giving elite performances. Its a great tool of Elites to make the lineup what it is, because it provides great debate and fuel for teams. Things deeming themselves elite should be like this.

 

[mrchicity]

[SIZE=small]Hey this is the last thing I'll say about any of this. There is obviously a lot of debate over who should go from the US East, and EMDO will pick the team based on their own criteria. No matter which team it is, I'm sure their selection will put on a good show at Elite 8 2012.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]In regards to JJ, it seems like a common criticism and contention point has been that we don't compete very often, or as often as other teams. You have to remember that for the past few years, JJ has been a side project to the team members who have been involved with their respective collegiate teams. In it's first couple years of competing, all of the members were also involved with VCU Bhangra, and even with the past two competitions (BaB and VPD), team members were also focused on other fairly respected teams like UVa, GMU, Drexel, and GWU. When you have a team that has members which have been leaders of some of the most decorated teams of the past few years, it becomes a little difficult competing more than once a year. [/SIZE] [SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]JJ has been an opportunity for some of the best male dancers in one of the strongest bhangra regions in North america to put on performances which really showcase the style of bhangra which has made the teams in this region so successful. We've put together routines whenever we could in between preparing our respective college teams for some of the biggest competitions in the circuit, and we have clearly had some success balancing all of these teams. Essentially, we compete when we all feel like we have time to do so, and when we do compete we strive to bring the strongest set that we can. The roster hasn't really changed, and now that several of us have graduated from college, we have been focusing on JJ solely. No matter where our next competition takes us, we'll bring it hard and represent the style of bhangra that we love so much, and all that we care about is that we have fun doing just that. [/SIZE] [SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]I say all of this not as a plea to Elite 8, but just to address some of this discussion about JJ that has been generated over the past months. I promise you'll see us soon enough, and no matter where it is, we hope you enjoy our performaaaance[/SIZE] [/t][/t]

 

[J Wong]

[SIZE=small]Hey this is the last thing I'll say about any of this. There is obviously a lot of debate over who should go from the US East, and EMDO will pick the team based on their own criteria. No matter which team it is, I'm sure their selection will put on a good show at Elite 8 2012.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]In regards to JJ, it seems like a common criticism and contention point has been that we don't compete very often, or as often as other teams. You have to remember that for the past few years, JJ has been a side project to the team members who have been involved with their respective collegiate teams. In it's first couple years of competing, all of the members were also involved with VCU Bhangra, and even with the past two competitions (BaB and VPD), team members were also focused on other fairly respected teams like UVa, GMU, Drexel, and GWU. When you have a team that has members which have been leaders of some of the most decorated teams of the past few years, it becomes a little difficult competing more than once a year. [/SIZE] [SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]JJ has been an opportunity for some of the best male dancers in one of the strongest bhangra regions in North america to put on performances which really showcase the style of bhangra which has made the teams in this region so successful. We've put together routines whenever we could in between preparing our respective college teams for some of the biggest competitions in the circuit, and we have clearly had some success balancing all of these teams. Essentially, we compete when we all feel like we have time to do so, and when we do compete we strive to bring the strongest set that we can. The roster hasn't really changed, and now that several of us have graduated from college, we have been focusing on JJ solely. No matter where our next competition takes us, we'll bring it hard and represent the style of bhangra that we love so much, and all that we care about is that we have fun doing just that. [/SIZE] [SIZE=small] [/SIZE] [SIZE=small]I say all of this not as a plea to Elite 8, but just to address some of this discussion about JJ that has been generated over the past months. I promise you'll see us soon enough, and no matter where it is, we hope you enjoy our performaaaance[/SIZE] [/t][/t]

Brilliantly said.

 

[Nav Aujla]

Personally, i feel that JJ deserves a bid due to the fact that they can put on a really good performance. But i can't stand the point that they beat NYPD at VPD. That particular performance from NYPD was lack luster to say the least and to constantly bring that up as a valid point to get into E8 says something. I got a lot of love for you JJ boys and i know you guys can bring it but come on..

 

[mrchicity]

Personally, i feel that JJ deserves a bid due to the fact that they can put on a really good performance. But i can't stand the point that they beat NYPD at VPD. That particular performance from NYPD was lack luster to say the least and to constantly bring that up as a valid point to get into E8 says something. I got a lot of love for you JJ boys and i know you guys can bring it but come on..

We're not the ones bringing it up in this thread man, definitely not trying to take anything away from NYPD.


In any case, this discussion is way too long. The first bid goes out in about an hour, who will it be?

 

[J Wong]

I understand that suspense is always good to build up hype but I hope that the first bid isn't an obvious one.

 

[faizan]

In any case, this discussion is way too long. The first bid goes out in about an hour, who will it be?

even i can't call it on that one...

 

[himynameis]

In any case, this discussion is way too long. The first bid goes out in about an hour, who will it be?

even i can't call it on that one...

And hes a bhangra genius


this shall be interesting

 

[yraparla]

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