-=Episode 2 - Bhangra Pulse - from Sulman and Dheerja - Bhangra Mixing=-

[sulmoney]

[SIZE=small]Bhangra Pulse tackles the topic of mixing in bhangra with two of the best in the business, Iqwak from Klasikhz, and Kush from Guardians of Bhangra. The group discusses what makes a good mix, and reminisce on their favorite mixes through the years.[/SIZE]

As usual, feedback is greatly appreciated. We are very proud of this episode, and the discussion was great between our guests, which explains the longer than expected running time. Download link is enclosed, and iTunes link is below.

Next week, we will have our interview with Danny from Anakh Punjab Di and PJ from Khalsa Junction. Enjoy

Subscribe on iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bhangra-pulse/id474702692

 

[faizan]

Great podcast guys! A little on the long side, but I think Sulman and Dheerja are very very good at hosting. Very smooth guys, i'm proud of you. Although I disagree with Kush who said Iqwak "revolutionized" bhangra mixing. The teams from 2007-2009 did.

 

[Basim]

Not a bad episode. My critiques are below:

- Firstly, thanks for releasing it on BTF. Not everyone has iTunes or keeps up with it. So much easier to download as an mp3 file and listen to any place you want.

- Way, way, way too long. 45 minutes is simply too long time for a weekly podcast imho. I would have broken this down into two different segments if it was getting that long (released one half of it this week & the other half of it next week.. while you guys continue to work on your next podcast). That way, there is no major delays/gaps/etc when you release stuff.

- I gave Faizan this same suggestion, but perhaps towards the beginning of your segment, provide an general outline of what you're going to be talking about. This not only keeps you guys more structured in terms of what major discussion points you'll be hitting (and in what order), but also builds anticipation for the listener on areas of discussion that they will like to hear about. Furthermore, in the future if one wants to go back and listen to the podcast, they can skip through and figure out where in the podcast you're talking about a certain topic.

- Another suggestion is to give at least some questions to the interviewees in advance. This way, they collect their thoughts better and possibly write some key points they want to bring up. Also, give them a general idea of how much time they will have to give a response. In some cases, you heard Kush talking more about a certain topic and then Iqwak only talking about it briefly and vice versa. Lastly, you also have to anticipate how much time the hosts (Sulman & Dheerja) will get to respond/add input/etc. With all of these general time guidelines, you'll be able to better gauge the length of each podcast episode.

- Not offense, but Kush seemed a little "star struck" when speaking with Iqwak. Throughout the podcast, I noticed he took note of mentioning Iqwak's talent and even went on to say things that Iqwak was the main people in revolutionizing bhangra mixes after Sher Foundation, which really throws a blow to all the other team mixers who made amazing mixes back in the day.

- Sulman, thank you for mentioning Punjabi Soormays' Surjit Bindrakhia mix!! Amazing tribute performance and amazing mix! Totally agree with your comments about that mix bringing out so many undiscovered/unappreciated songs.

- Surprised nobody mentioned Neet (2nyce) as someone stepping up recently with a lot of talent and helping teams out. One of the questions should have been about their opinion on the best mixers in the circuit right now. A lot of really strong DJ's/mixers were part of the BTF Re-Mixers Ladder (http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/off-topic/ltltlt-the-official-btf-re-mixers-ladder-2011-gtgtgt/) and a lot were mentioned here (http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/bhangra-mixes-and-music/to-everyone-im-lookin-for/). You could have also brought up the question about "mix feedback," how crucial that is to mixers, and better ways to go about getting that feedback (i.e. BTF Re-mixers ladder was a good attempt at this).

- The soundboard that Sulman was using got to be pretty annoying on many occasions when you could hardly hear the speaker over the mixes/sound effects. Either play the songs/mixes/effects when nobody is talking OR when nothing of major importance is being talked about.

- What was up with the annoying microphone adjustment sound in many parts of the podcast? One specific instance where you hear what I'm referring to is: 15:26-16:08

- Try out different ideas to ENGAGE your fans/listeners more. You can do this in several ways if you get creative. For example, have a random giveaway for a small "prize" for everyone that does something - like provide feedback Another big suggestion that help engage your audience is to allow for user submitted questions! At the end of your podcast you can state the topic you'll be talking about next (along with the guests who will be featured next) and allow users to submit their own questions that they would like answered. Then state that you & Dheerja will pick the top one or two questions to be used in the next podcast. Have a segment toward the end of your show called "Fan Questions!" (obviously be more creative and call it something else).. give recognition to the person that submitted the question and ask the interviewers the fan's question(s). These questions don't all have to be serious questions too.. you guys can mix it up and have fun with this fan segment!

*Note: These are all my personal opinions & suggestions, so please don't take anything I said as threatening or bashing. Overall, I like what you guys are doing and would like to to see improvements for the future.*

~ Basim

P.S. - Sorry in advance if anything that I wrote doesn't make sense or is confusing. Wrote this all quickly while on my lunch break

 

[yraparla]

Great podcast guys! A little on the long side, but I think Sulman and Dheerja are very very good at hosting. Very smooth guys, i'm proud of you. Although I disagree with Kush who said Iqwak "revolutionized" bhangra mixing. The teams from 2007-2009 did.

Basim just made a similar point as Faizan, and I think it would probably be better to articulate that Iqwak's sheer volume of mixes changed the circuit. Of course during this time period you have NJ/SGPD mixes, AEG, BMW, Jason Kataria (B2B etc, still going on with Abbotsford and PCBCA and such). But I think the point is that these are all mixers associated with teams. Iqwak was of course on DRP and led them to very very successful seasons but he also did mixes for an enormous amount of teams as well, which I think made a huge difference in the quality of mixing we see in the circuit. At one I point I think 5/8 teams at blowout had a klasikhz mix...

I know from my personal experience, although I could mix decently we still used Iqwak as a crutch. I would do the 90% of the mix and send him the segments and he'd do the subtle changes/additions that made a huge difference. Seeing what he added and how he did mixes helped me become a better mixer and I think the multitude of teams who used him experienced something similar. It's not particularly tied to him, and as he states it could have been anyone and he just happened to fall into it at the right time...but I think it's fair to say he revolutionized the circuit in the sense that:

1) it became a standard, accepted practice to use an outside mixer and have a tag
2) The quality of mixes from small college teams to popular, successful teams shrunk, thus allowing the choreo ideas to be the key factor.

I think point number 2 is the single biggest reason we are seeing the currents trends in Bhangra. Although mixes are starting to sound 'autopilot', this simply means good mixes become our baseline. You could lament that, but I see it as an opportunity to move forward. When everyones mix is good, then only the great mixes standout and more importantly only teams that have great choreography to match will standout. Now is the time for teams to step up and win on their performance, not just the mix.

I think it's also important to remember that with the outsourcing of mixing, it becomes much harder to make mixes unique. I spent many many more hours on my own teams mix than a clients, and I also know that I'm thinking of choreo as I'm mixing. Which means it's not so cut paste, maybe I have a unique concept that is borne through a combination of music, segment, and dancing. This is much harder to do with an outside mixer (not impossible, although it usually requires the team to have some mixer themselves that can make a rough draft of it).

Sorry I'm rambling a bit but I heard the podcast on my drive to work and loved it, thought I'd share some points!

 

[dheerja]

Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated! Touching on a few points:

• Length - Totally agree. This went literally double the length of what we're trying to keep our podcasts to, which was a combination of having two very articulate/thoughtful guests and that mixing is such a hot topic with so many things to discuss. Basim I wish we had thought of the two-part podcast! What a great idea, will definitely do this if any of our future podcasts go past 20 minutes, though we will try to keep it shorter.
• Outline - Will definitely do this as well. This was our first time trying out the free-form Q&A format, and next time we'll do a quick rundown of each question we're going to cover.
• Questions in advance - We do provide all our interviewees with a google doc containing the podcast outline. However since there wasn't a time limit like our first podcast, we got very conversational because we all enjoyed talking about this so much, and it went more informal. We're going to explore some form of a time limit, even if it isn't explicit, to keep things flowing next time!
• Additional mixing-related questions - There were a LOT more questions we wanted to ask, but as you heard we went way over time with just the 6-7 questions we ended up doing. We are planning on revisiting this topic in a few months and covering more, there's a lot to discuss when it comes to mixing!
• Sound issues - Unfortunately everyone is on their own laptop mics so it's hard to control sound quality, any suggestions here are welcome! We'll also keep any background effects quieter.
• Engaging listeners - We do have a gmail account (bhangrapulse@gmail.com) where we welcome suggestions and questions, but haven't gotten much of a response there. I love your idea Basim of making it more structured, asking people to submit questions and actually using them on the next podcast. If this is something people are interested in doing, do you have any suggestions for how to get people to submit? I'm not sure just a BTF thread is proactive enough.

Thanks again for the feedback, we're glad you guys enjoyed it and we'll definitely work to improve on all of the above!

 

[Saleem]

Awesome feedback and discussion. Great podcast. I give this thread an A+

 

[Kush]

This was a pleasure to do. Just in response to some of the points/statements made:

1) We were trying to be quick, particularly the second time around so alot of original names and thoughts got lost. Theres no question that people like Neet, or Jason, or Sunpreet, or others out there are strong mixers. We all interpreted and modified the questions to hit a broader aspect of topics. The interview was getting over time as is, but my personal faves on the circuit right now in no particular order:

Harman, Gsimz, Gsingh, 2Nyce, Jason, Sunpreet, Swi, Iqwak. I may have forgot 1-2, but that pretty much comprises my entire list of people i enjoy listening to.

2) Teams from 2007-2009 Faizan? LOL you realize how much mixing changed in that time period? Haha 2 years in the bhangra circuit is an eternity... look at how the dance it self changed. it went from modern to folk and back again, and you're saying "TEAMS FROM 2007-2009 DID THAT"?... thats like saying teams from 2007-2009 brought back folk bhangra. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did. I didnt listen to the final product, but in our original interview I said after Pavan Mac of Sher Foundation, the first mixer that came along and changed the standard/baseline for a mix was Iqwak. It became necessary to have a clean mix, a hype mix. Before then, it still didnt matter. and for that, he deserves his rightful recognition.

3) Basim, I AM completely star struck by iqwak....I respect iqwak IMMENSELY for what he did for bhangra mixing in general. For every one sick mix you guys listen to from 2007-2008 (which was when klasikhz exploded)... theres 10 more that are mediocre. I remember btf posts from then, everyone wanted the latest classics mix. I would have said the exact same thing had iqwak not been my co-guest on the show... because i'm simply giving credit where credit is due. Iqwak did not change mixes via DRP. He did it via Drexel, VCU, DRP, and countless other teams i dont even recall anymore. As for a blow to other team mixers... my first mix i made in 2008, and i thought it was pretty good. I had some mixers tell me our bash mix from 2009 was their favorite, and honestly was where i gained any relevence at all. But i still know my (for lack of a better word) global impact on the mixing community at large pales in comparison to that of iqwak. And it is to that that i pay homage.

4) Swi hit it all on the head perfectly. IMPACT, not just ability.

MJ was the best bball player in the 80's-90's hands down... It's permissible to say that yes? But does that mean i'm insulting clyde drexler? or hakeem olajowan? or Shaquille O'Neal? or any of the other dozen players that were absolute monsters in that time frame? no. All beasts. but Iqwak, after Sher Foundation, was the next to raise the bar.

Not at all defensive if it came off this post came off like that, but honestly even in 45 minutes we were barely able to touch upon all the topics to a deep degree. Mad respect to dheerja and sulman for their committment to this, it was a pleasure and an honor to be invited to speak.

 

[Danny]

Great podcast! Loved every one of the points made and the mixes played especially CSUN 2006, oh man that was such a great year for Bhangra =*)


Definitely agreed with some mixes being so stacked that it sound like just plain noise...less is always more

 

[Basim]

*Bump* These podcasts deserve more exposure! Please listen in everyone


Thanks for your courteous responses back Dheerja & Kush! Just wanted to touch on one other thing Dheerja inquired about:

Engaging listeners - We do have a gmail account (bhangrapulse@gmail.com) where we welcome suggestions and questions, but haven't gotten much of a response there. I love your idea Basim of making it more structured, asking people to submit questions and actually using them on the next podcast. If this is something people are interested in doing, do you have any suggestions for how to get people to submit? I'm not sure just a BTF thread is proactive enough.

I agree with your statement that just having a BTF thread is not proactive enough to get user feedback. My earlier suggestion was to offer some type of small "prize" for people to get involved (at least initially). The prize could be anything - something cheap like a keychain would work or maybe some extra SMD things you have laying around (I doubt you have specific "Bhangra Pulse" stuff made). You could also keep it the "prize" a surprise so that nobody really knows what it is (besides you & Sulman of course) until you select a winner and "reveal" the surprise.

By the same token, I know you guys are students or young professionals and don't have money to blow on random people for something that you guys put together for free! Another suggestion would be to not only get recognized on your show for the answer, but to possibly be on a permanent "winners list" (or "Hall of Fame") which you can display on your website (make a simple one, possibly: www.bhangraimpluse.com). You could even post up a picture of the winner (if the winner wants that) and list their name along with the winning question/comment they posed.

I'm not really sure on other ways to get your everyday listeners involved, but maybe you'll think of other stuff!

Hope this helps,

~ Basim

 

[himynameis]

You guy seriously have to do something about the sound issues and that volume that you play the background mucus is way to loud

 

[faizan]

2) Teams from 2007-2009 Faizan? LOL you realize how much mixing changed in that time period? Haha 2 years in the bhangra circuit is an eternity... look at how the dance it self changed. it went from modern to folk and back again, and you're saying "TEAMS FROM 2007-2009 DID THAT"?... thats like saying teams from 2007-2009 brought back folk bhangra. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did. I didnt listen to the final product, but in our original interview I said after Pavan Mac of Sher Foundation, the first mixer that came along and changed the standard/baseline for a mix was Iqwak. It became necessary to have a clean mix, a hype mix. Before then, it still didnt matter. and for that, he deserves his rightful recognition.

Since you were condescending, i will be too. I stand by what i said, and you need to get off of Iqwak's dick. yep.


iqwak had a major effect on two types of teams:


1. amateurish indie teams AND
2. collegiate teams


NY did not even know who klasikhs was until about a year ago. So to say he revolutionized mixing is a laugher to say the least.

. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did.

First of all, quantity is not quality. when klasikhz was busy making the same mix for every collegiate team on the east coast, a lot of them either 1. sounded the same or 2. were rushed. Mixtapes? Yea, he had recession special. no others i know of. Notorious with providing what? Bro, honestly, I have been in this game for ten years, and klasikhz never got hot until like a year ago. Pretty sure mixes were nasty before he came around. Unless you are on the list above of either 1. collegiate or 2. shitty indie. thanks.


he made it a hot line, but you're not gonna make it a hot song for veterans like me kush.

 

[KillaPunjabi]

2) Teams from 2007-2009 Faizan? LOL you realize how much mixing changed in that time period? Haha 2 years in the bhangra circuit is an eternity... look at how the dance it self changed. it went from modern to folk and back again, and you're saying "TEAMS FROM 2007-2009 DID THAT"?... thats like saying teams from 2007-2009 brought back folk bhangra. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did. I didnt listen to the final product, but in our original interview I said after Pavan Mac of Sher Foundation, the first mixer that came along and changed the standard/baseline for a mix was Iqwak. It became necessary to have a clean mix, a hype mix. Before then, it still didnt matter. and for that, he deserves his rightful recognition.

Since you were condescending, i will be too. I stand by what i said, and you need to get off of Iqwak's dick. yep.


iqwak had a major effect on two types of teams:


1. amateurish indie teams AND
2. collegiate teams


NY did not even know who klasikhs was until about a year ago. So to say he revolutionized mixing is a laugher to say the least.

+1
There are many other mixers who have made great mixes who are unrecognized way before.

 

[KillaPunjabi]

Great episode by the way.

 

[Kush]

2) Teams from 2007-2009 Faizan? LOL you realize how much mixing changed in that time period? Haha 2 years in the bhangra circuit is an eternity... look at how the dance it self changed. it went from modern to folk and back again, and you're saying "TEAMS FROM 2007-2009 DID THAT"?... thats like saying teams from 2007-2009 brought back folk bhangra. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did. I didnt listen to the final product, but in our original interview I said after Pavan Mac of Sher Foundation, the first mixer that came along and changed the standard/baseline for a mix was Iqwak. It became necessary to have a clean mix, a hype mix. Before then, it still didnt matter. and for that, he deserves his rightful recognition.

Since you were condescending, i will be too. I stand by what i said, and you need to get off of Iqwak's dick. yep.


iqwak had a major effect on two types of teams:


1. amateurish indie teams AND
2. collegiate teams


NY did not even know who klasikhs was until about a year ago. So to say he revolutionized mixing is a laugher to say the least.

. and you realize, in that time period, what mixer made MORE MIXES than anyone else on the circuit? And mixtapes? and had become notorious with providing clean, hype, energetic, entertaining mixes? Revolutionized? you're damn right he did.

First of all, quantity is not quality. when klasikhz was busy making the same mix for every collegiate team on the east coast, a lot of them either 1. sounded the same or 2. were rushed. Mixtapes? Yea, he had recession special. no others i know of. Notorious with providing what? Bro, honestly, I have been in this game for ten years, and klasikhz never got hot until like a year ago. Pretty sure mixes were nasty before he came around. Unless you are on the list above of either 1. collegiate or 2. shitty indie. thanks.


he made it a hot line, but you're not gonna make it a hot song for veterans like me kush.

Hahaha i apologize, condescending tones come out when im talking to people who think they know what theyre talking about but really have no clue.... To be honest i wasnt being condescending, i just found your statement incredulous... amazing what adding an LOL/Haha can do to the tone of a post... But since you started, i'd LOVE to be the one to point out that your that your head has finally overinflated if you think you ANYTHING more about mixing than me.... How's that for condescending?


Firstly, please address the fact that the circuit has been prominent for roughly than 10 years (even less on a national scale), and the fact that you basically said "mixes over a 2 year span changed mixing"...lol 1/5th of the history of the US bhangra circuit changed mixing... you think so??? REALLY???

... well, duh.

Lol thats like me saying teams from 2007-2009 changed the way bhangra is danced...but you only think of a few teams when it REALLY comes down to it (Empire, VCU, SGPD, NJ). Same thing with mixers. Its an obvious and rather basic thought, doesnt take a genius (bhangra or otherwise) to say that all mixers from a large time period changed the game. lol, i cant even believe i'm arguing with you. And klasikhz got hot over the last 2 years... go back and check. maybe 10 years "in the game" has rendered some of your memories mixed up. Oh and i apologize that NY didn't know who iqwak was any earlier than when he GOT BIG, which was about 2 years ago! when he FIRST started making mixes and started making 3-5 hundred a pop for em. While you're pondering that, name me a mixer from NY who made a quality mix (by my standards, which are high by the way) until roughly the last year or so... mind you i said QUALITY mix. I'll reserve my opinion on NY mixes/mixers past or present to avoid people getting offended because i'm not out to offend anyone, but lets just say i dont care/own/bother to listen to anything from NY prior to 2009ish.

Is iqwak a PERFECT MIXER!? absolutely not... but he still shits on 99% of mixers out there.... and yes he increased the STANDARD for mixes... the first to do so since Sher Foundation. Case in Point: Blowout 2008. EVERY WINNER HAD A KLASIKHZ MIX. Oh thats right, you're not giving "collegiate" teams much credit... and yet in the history of the circuit, bhangra was all about collegiate teams. I'm done with you, make a fleshed out argument and get at me... or else stick to your opinions on sets cause you aren't proving to me you know jack shit about music... or what it takes to make a good mix.


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KillaPunjabi... I'm NOT denying the impact of other mixers. i'm not saying noone else had an impact. I'm not saying there's no other important, relevant mixers out there. I'm saying of all the mixers in the last 2-3 years Iqwak has had the biggest impact far and wide. That was the point i was trying to make. noone asked me to name the top 5 mixers... they asked me to name the best mixers, the most relevant mixers... And in an attempt to get past the fact that sher foundation mixes till this DAY shit on ANY OTHER TEAMS MIXES out there, I made a point of where the scene went after them, since all the other people in the interview mentioned them. You say people went unrecognized? maybe there's a reason... because even if their mixes were hot, their impact was not.

I think another big mixer over the last 3 years consistent is Jason... the man is too sick and is always consistent. But when it comes down to it... even people who don't know much about bhangra, or have joined the circuit in the last year still know that notorious klasikhz roar.

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now please, lets have some other mixers on the circuit jump in here. I'd love some relevant debate... some with some points. some where people point out that theres teams that dont understand what "too much bass" is... or who understand what "compression" is... or "equalization"... someone please point out to me that iqwak has had some mixes where the bass is not equalized, or that there isn't any equalization of the lows, or compression to avoid red lining... and i'll agree with you. We can talk about WHO YOU THOUGHT revolutionized bhangra to the closest degree after pavan, or even if you don't think that pavan did anything. Just do me a favor and make claims with some basis, so i don't have to just laugh and shake my head at you like i have to in certain cases


signed,


a mediocre mixer.

 

[faizan]

i'll let the mediocre mixers keep thinking they know what they're talking about kush...

But since you started, i'd LOVE to be the one to point out that your that your head has finally overinflated if you think you ANYTHING more about mixing than me....

delusions of grandeur are the worst kind of all...
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sher foundation mixes till this DAY shit on ANY OTHER TEAMS MIXES out there

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very high standards you got there hot shot...[/size]

 

[Kush]

i'll let the mediocre mixers keep thinking they know what they're talking about kush...

But since you started, i'd LOVE to be the one to point out that your that your head has finally overinflated if you think you ANYTHING more about mixing than me....

delusions of grandeur are the worst kind of all...

sher foundation mixes till this DAY shit on ANY OTHER TEAMS MIXES out there

very high standards you got there hot shot...

So long as you stop talking, i dont care what you're "letting" me do. thanks guy.

Edit: Lol... the self-proclaimed "bhangra genius" is speaking on delusions of grandeur? word.

 

[abhigames]

No one ever mentions B-Nasty...sigh....

Would love to be on the show and talk about role of bhangra in fusion circuit over past 5-10 years?

 

[Kush]

No one ever mentions B-Nasty...sigh....

Would love to be on the show and talk about role of bhangra in fusion circuit over past 5-10 years?

abhigames, we actually did! Dheerja brought up Pandemonium in between recordings, but i think somehow due to time limits we never came across it again.

 

[dheerja]

I mentioned listening to Sher Foundation on repeat in 2007-2009 when their mixes were above and beyond anything else in the scene. However I'll put all the DRP mixes in that category. Everyone on the scene was obsessed with that Booti/Miss New Booty remix, just to name one example. I remember going to Blowout and Blizzard and hearing those DRP mixes in all the cars driving through the parking lot. Our own mixer on Columbia drew a lot from both Sher Foundation and Klasikhz in those early days when the primary Klasikhz mixes were DRP. Then Klasikhz blew up and I think every single competition I went to over those few years had at least 2-3 teams with Klasikhz mixes. I remember going to Bhangra Fever 2010 and talking to PJ and Vivek from KJ/Soormay, and they were dumbfounded that they were listening to Klasikhz on repeat for all 8 performances.

Side note - to all the DJs who weren't mentioned on the podcast, like I said earlier there was SO much we wanted to discuss and we did want to keep the focus on the EVOLUTION of mixing. So focusing on the handful of mixers over the past decade who revolutionized the trends. We had a brief few minutes where we discussed mixers today, but we didn't have nearly enough time to give all the people who deserve credit. I didn't even mention the majority of my favorite mixers in today's scene because I wanted to focus on the evolution. We WILL have another mixing-related podcast to discuss today's mixers and beyond, so don't feel slighted!

Abhi - that's a GREAT idea. I'll hit you up in a month or so!

 

[dj2nyce]

BTF makes me chuckle sometimes.