Fab Five Documentry

[ENVY BANG-RUH]

Who else watched it? And what did you think?


Personally, simply well directed, just amazing.

 

[Navkarn]

pretty much every 30 for 30 is amazing when they stick to the sports aspect of it. sometimes they like to go off on tangents (ex: allen iverson case) and they simply suck.

fab five was good, but reggie miller vs. the new york knicks is still by far the greatest one ever made.

 

[dj2nyce]

great, great documentary.

 

[yraparla]

30 for 30 are really gooood (Divac/Petrovic is a great non-sports one Nuff Sauce)

I missed this due to travel but I'm looking forward!

 

[ENVY BANG-RUH]

30 for 30 are really gooood (Divac/Petrovic is a great non-sports one Nuff Sauce)

My favorite 30 for 30 by far.


The Fab Five wasn't acknowledged as a 30 for 30 I dont think.

 

[Gurbir23]

once brothers was amazing, by far one of the best documentaries i've watched. Anyone know of a link online for this ?

 

[Navkarn]

30 for 30 are really gooood (Divac/Petrovic is a great non-sports one Nuff Sauce)

My favorite 30 for 30 by far.


The Fab Five wasn't acknowledged as a 30 for 30 I dont think.

the original 30 films under that label already aired ... the fab five special still officially falls under the 30 for 30 umbrella because of the nature of the film according to espn.

 

[Kush]

call me biased but i liked the U one best

 

[ENVY BANG-RUH]

call me biased but i liked the U one best

Was that labeled a 30 for 30? Cuz if it wasn't i totally agree, and if it was, move over vlade.

 

[musafir12]

loved it!!!!
i didn't know much about the fab five..but damn thats crazy!!
very well directed as every other 30 30 movie

 

[gifty]

The two ESCOBARS best ever! Bar none....

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

it was pretty good. what was also pretty good is the runnin' rebels doc that hbo had over the weekend. TARK THE SHARK BABY!!

 

[sunnybanga]

It was a really good documentary...but Chris Webber could have contributed to the filming just like the rest of the them. I think its been long enough that he can come out and talk about it.

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

lol c-webb. what a joke. he cheats on tyra banks. chokes in final 4. chokes in game 7 2002. what a puff. he better not get into nba hall of fame.

 

[HarmanSingh]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/

Good documentary but calling black players who went/go to Duke "Uncle Toms" was way over the line. At least Jalen Rose made it clear he had this mindset as a young man and even confessed he was envious of Hill's upbringing. And it is legit for him to say that Duke does not appeal to the inner city and that they have historically been a very elitist institution. His honesty is what made the documentary great on so many levels. But King does no favors to the black community by still trying to make all blacks into a monolith or determine who is "really black" and who is not black. That type of language and analysis is detrimental to the black community because it just creates a divide between the upper/middle class and working class and tries to define blackness.

The Fab 5 especially have no ground to say that because they went to the elite school in the state of Michigan instead of Michigan State and considering Webber went to the Duke of Michigan's high schools schools- Country Day.

Respect to Grant Hill for responding in a classy and intelligent manner.

 

[smehta313]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/

Good documentary but calling black players who went/go to Duke "Uncle Toms" was way over the line. At least Jalen Rose made it clear he had this mindset as a young man and even confessed he was envious of Hill's upbringing. And it is legit for him to say that Duke does not appeal to the inner city and that they have historically been a very elitist institution. His honesty is what made the documentary great on so many levels. But King does no favors to the black community by still trying to make all blacks into a monolith or determine who is "really black" and who is not black. That type of language and analysis is detrimental to the black community because it just creates a divide between the upper/middle class and working class and tries to define blackness.

The Fab 5 especially have no ground to say that because they went to the elite school in the state of Michigan instead of Michigan State and considering Webber went to the Duke of Michigan's high schools schools- Country Day.

Respect to Grant Hill for responding in a classy and intelligent manner.

+1

Jalen Rose did go out of line, but at least he apologized in the end.

Watching the documentary, and being a Michigan fan, you can't help but feel bad for all the hardships the Michigan team went through and after their chances ended up losing and being stripped of their accomplishments in the record book.

If you are not sure who the Fab Five are, have interest in Basketball, or just need an hour to kill, definitely watch the documentary

 

[dheerja]

Loved loved LOVED this one - Reggie, Divac, and the Escobars were my other favs. The Escobars got barely any press, but I was riveted the entire time. I even bought Gabriel Marquez's book "News of a Kidnapping" to read after I watched it.

The Grant Hill response was well written but I do think he completely missed Jalen's point. Jalen clearly stated that was how he felt as a teenager, Duke blatantly disregarded recruits from certain backgrounds, and he specifically said he was jealous of the privileged kids who were part of that process. I think the point where it was misconstrued was when Jalen used that to segue into how much he hated Duke and Grant Hill as a whole.

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

the timeline is pretty interesting
http://deadspin.com/#!5782677/espn-jalen-rose-and-the-manufactured-uncle-tom-controversy

Wednesday, March 9: Rose appears on Simmons's podcast to talk about the movie, Duke, hip hop and his NBA career.

Friday, March 11: Rose, King, and Jackson have a lengthy chat with Page 2 and talk about Duke in general, but not about the quote.

Saturday, March 12: J.A. Adande's big Fab Five feature appears on ESPN.com.

Sunday, March 13: Documentary runs on ESPN. Big ratings.

Tuesday, March 15: Rose appears on First and Ten, clarifying his remarks to Skip Bayless (see below), with whom he has the following exchange:

Rose: "As a 17-year old recruit, that's exactly how I felt. [...] Now, I understand what their program represents, because I'm a mature adult. I know it's a private school, that they do recruit players from well-to-do, affluent families. But also, I understand some of the reason why—so that they don't see some of the players selling goods for money. Also, they want to have kids who represent the program the right way. I get all of that. But that's the minority. I was speaking for the majority. And that's how I felt then."

Bayless: "So you don't feel that way today?"

Rose: "Well, the bottom line is this: they do recruit a certain kind of player. They recruit a lot of players from private schools."

Rose's explanation-apology doesn't apologize for or explain much. Rather, its vagueness only creates more discussion.

Wednesday, March 16: Grant Hill responds to Rose with an op-ed online for The New York Times.

In addition, we learn from the unedited version that both Hill and Jay Williams received Twitter apologies from Rose before the documentary aired. On Twitter, Jimmy King notes that he has 99 problems but a Grant ain't one.

Thursday, March 17: First and Ten discusses Hill's response to Rose's remarks. ESPN rallies a bunch of its online columnists for some kind of roundtable. Hill's op-ed runs in the print Times. Michael Wilbon writes something.

March 21-March 25: Documentary will re-air at least once each day on the ESPN family of networks.

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

also
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2011/03/grant-hills-open-letter-speaks-volumes.htm

While Hill focused specifically on the slurs that the Fab Five directed toward him and his teammates, Jason Whitlock declares that the "Fab Five" film rewrites history:

The legacy of the Fab Five is that they were on the cutting edge of America’s unashamed embrace of style over substance... The Fab Five are taking credit for the real accomplishments of John Thompson’s and Patrick Ewing’s Georgetown Hoyas.

It was Thompson’s all-black, Ewing-led teams a decade before the Fab Five that shook the foundation of college basketball, changed the complexion of starting lineups across the country, opened coaching doors that had previously been closed to blacks and paved the way for black sportswriters at major newspapers.

It's easy to forgive Rose for his lack of self-awareness. It's America. In this country, self-awareness and common sense are our most rare commodities.

What's not easy to excuse is the clueless robbery of what Thompson, Ewing, Bill Martin, Reggie Williams, Horace Broadnax and David Wingate accomplished.

They won championships--conference and national. They scared and intimidated the establishment. They were the inner-city black kids who left a legacy of jobs and playing opportunities for other impoverished minorities that exposes the lack of substance in the fads popularized by the Fab Five.

"Hoya Paranoia" is the story that deserves celebration and should serve as a teaching tool. Fab Five is a safe, harmless story celebrating black kids for choosing style over substance.

just watched some higlight films of the hoyas. man they were awesome.