Hockey shockey

[Arjun Barua]

Summy and Vick. Refrain from name calling.

Yes, please avoid ad hominem arguments. Personal attacks do not help your argument. They just make you look irrational and desperate for attention/approval, and suggest that your argument lacks substance.

Let your REASON do the talking, not your EGO.

 

[Vick]

Will do, name calling ends with this post... It's Summy, BTF should have different rules when addressing apes...

 

[Summy]

hahah Vick is taking it to heart, I love it. Didnt mean to call him names, just thought Id point it out. I was having fun and joking, and laughing, didnt know it had a serious element to it.


If you evaluate the respectability of a team, by their last year's performance, then your a joke of a fan. Than, who the laughing stock of the nba was two years ago, the same celtics who are on top now. SO, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about, your arent a legit sports fan, anyone can see that.

Being the wealthiest also gots us about 50 times the revenue that the Sharkes have made in their entire existence. THE RAPTORS are shittier than the warriors? UMMMM may this year, but Im pretty sure during the 12 seasons of straight sucking, when you put GEMS out on the floor like Tony Delk, drafting Mike Dunleavy over Amare, Butler, Boozer to name a few, Austin Croshere.. hahaha, I'll give you one thing, you guys did produce Areanas, WHO BOLTED from you bums. You had big daddy mac, Sam Mack, hahaha.


The bottom line is, because of the garbage fans that are warriors fans, you guys continued to produce sub par, garbage teams for almost 2 decades. The city, fans were complacent, something that Toronto fans dont deal with. 12 seasons STRAIGHT losing, and you win 2 games over .500 one year, and YOUR MAGICAL all of a sudden. WE ALL FORGET ABOUT THAT BULLSHIT YOU GUYS PUT OUT FOR SO LONG.

FACE IT, THE WARRIORS WERE A JOKE. Compare them to the raptors, who formed in 1995. Our longest streak of consective losing seasons 4. thats right, 1/3 of what you clowns went through. We WERE A NEW FRANCHISE, WE WENT THROUGH A FRANCHISE DRAFT AND STILL GOT TO THE PLAYOFFS BEFORE YOU GUYS HAHAHAHAH.

We produeced, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady (who we chose to let go), Marcus Camby, Chris Bosh, Chancey Billups, etc...

You guys beat the Mavs, and are in a market where you can sell weather and convience, but still nobody wants to play for that shitty franchise, cuz you guys dont know how to win.

Face it, you compare the Raptors from 95 to now, and the Warriors in the same span, and we are a better franchise.



Since the raptors came into the league, the raptors have had 5 winning seasons, which is shocking since we started as a new franchise with zero players, and zero assets on our roster.

Within the same time span, the golden warriors, have had.... 2. Last year, and the year before.


So whos the shitter team?

Thanks bro.


YEAH, you really know hockey... Flames fans are more passionate than leafs fans, hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha. Any other toronto people laughing. Ask any dudes who know anything about canada, and every single day, the whole city talks about the leafs.

Not one day that it doesnt dominate the papers, radio and television.


Nice try, come at me harder next time.


HOW ABOUT WE COMPARE THE SHARKS AND LEAFS......... ummmm lets not. hahahahah. I know you dont wanna go there bud.


Its not the last season my friend, its the totality of the franchise and both the warriors and the sharks have nothing on Toronto. Like I said if we looked at the last season then the Boston Celtics would have been a laughing stock 2 years ago, and now everyone is on their jock, so think about it harder bud.

And yeah our GM was shit, and thats why he was fired.


Your not dealing with a causal sports fan here Vick, I know more, I play more, I am more sports than you are and I am ACTUALLY an athlete so....

anything else?

 

[Mukandpuria]

yo Summy what sports do you play? and what team, league you play for...College?

 

[HermanJ.]

Leafs? Are you kidding me. They are pathetic. Haven't even won the Stanley Cup since 1967. Haven't done anything good after the expansion of the league. All they have done since os over pay a bunch of players and get no where!!

 

[Vick]

Wow, Summy the athlete, now that's a scary thought... I remember back in the day you said you went to the University of Chicago or something like that, so that means you play on their intercollegiate teams? Let me see the link that has a roster with your name scribbled on it... Backup your athlete statements with more than just words, I want proof... Otherwise it just another typical Summy statement with zero substance... I'll be the first to admit the Warriors sucked for a long time, at the same time, I'll be the first to admit that the Warriors are probably a better and more dangerous team than your sorry excuse for a basketball team... I'm not even going to bother arguing about the Leafs vs Sharks, a pre-schooler could tell you what team is better... You need to stop drinking the Maple Leaf cool-aid and open your brain to the possibilty that there are better teams in the league, the Sharks being one of them... Who gives a monkeys ass that Toronto is the heart of the hockey world, that doesnt make them the god of the NHL, the fact is, the team still sucks bad. You're just delusional... We could have a poll on here, and once again you would get your ass handed too... I know what you would say next, "everyone on here is stupid, they're dont know anything about sports, I am god, I know everything"... You posts are getting longer and longer, I'll stop reading them soon...

 

[Summy]

You still dont get it eh Vick. About the how totality of the franchise thing, over your head? Pre-schooler hahaha. If we had this conversation two years ago when the warriors were 42-40 and the raptors won 47 games, then I would be right? hahahahaha. Your understanding of sports is skewed.

Lets talk worth.

Remember how I said the Niners, Warriors and Sharks are all worthless. Well, literally, they are all worthless.

The 49 ers are the 3rd most worthless team in the NFL. Ranking 30 out of 32.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/09/13/nfl-team-valuations-biz-07nfl_cz_kb_mo_cs_0913nfl_land.html

The Sharks: also worthless at 17th in the NHL. Leafs, they arent bad at #1, almost 4 times more worthy than the Sharks.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/31/biz_07nhl_NHL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

The Warriors: Yeah for a team thats been around for so long, good time establish a fan base etc.. You guys are pretty worthless. At 21, a franchise team like the raptors are aound a third ahead of you in 14th.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/32/biz_07nba_NBA-Team-Valuations_Rank.html


The good thing about these rankings, it shows how much is put in the team, how much they generate. So not only historically, are our teams better than yours in Toronto, we are worth more in every sport.

I would never talk to someone from Boston with this convo, I would have no leg to stand on. Or Detroit, or New York. Those guys are Red Wings, Bo Sox, Yankees, Celtics, Pats, Giants fans... they go the whole world on us.


BUT WHEN A 49ERS FAN, A WARRIORS FAN AND A SHARKS FAN COMES AT ME........... Well you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Keep on harping on last year, when I have about 20 years up on you guys.

 

[Summy]

As far as what I play. Realize what I was doing in Chicago, unforunately, I pride myself in academia so I didnt have time to play sports, having said that, I actually live an active lifestyle, not like vick, who says he does, but OBVIOUSLY doesnt. An athlete looks like an athlete. Thats ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I GOTS TO SAY FOLKS.

 

[Vick]

Summy I dont care about net worth, It has nothing to do with performance... The Florida Marlins have won two world series and they're near the bottom in net worth... Who cares what a teams worth, you dont judge a team by their net worth, you judge them by their wins and losses...

 

[Meistro]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUMMY GOT BURNED!!!!!!!!

 

[Summy]

NET WORTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMANCE EH?????

hahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo. Get ready my big boned friend.

Lets put it this way, in the NHL, the most winniest franchise is also the most worthy... the Toronto Maple Leafs

The team with the most post season apparences, the most consective winning seasons, the most post season games, the most supebowl apperances, the list goes on and on and on... is the wealthiest team in the NFL.

In the NBA, if you go from the Knicks, to the Lakers, to Bulls to the Pistons, the most championships amongst any of the teams in the league.


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Your obviously a weak sports fan. You dont see the whole picture. Worth is an indication like ANY BUISNESS, of how you are performing.

NOT AN INSULT, BUT THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING IVE EVER HEARD.... MIESTRO YOU TOO, SINCE YOU DECIDE TO CHIME IN TOO, ANSWER ME THIS...


GO TO BILL GATES, and say to the dude------- hey dont worry, performance has nothing to do with the net worth of your company, so it doesnt matter if you put out a sub par product, because the magical revenue fairy is going to come and sprinkle her money making dust all over your company...


hahahah, ohhh god. Its like, people who think they are sports fans, cant just watch sportscentre every night, and watch the majority of their teams games and think they are sports fan. You guys are pseudo fans....



THE WINNIEST TEAMS ARE THE WEALTHIEST TEAMS. JUST LIKE THE BUISNESS WORLD, WHICH EACH TEAM IS, THE COMPANY WITH THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT WILL BE THE RICHER COMPANY.


I really want to hear Miestro's and Vick's response to that... this outta be good how they get outta that stupid statement....

 

[HermanJ.]

Lets put it this way, in the NHL, the most winniest franchise is also the most worthy... the Toronto Maple Leafs

The team with the most post season apparences, the most consective winning seasons, the most post season games, the most supebowl apperances, the list goes on and on and on... is the wealthiest team in the NFL.

In the NBA, if you go from the Knicks, to the Lakers, to Bulls to the Pistons, the most championships amongst any of the teams in the league.


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Your obviously a weak sports fan. You dont see the whole picture. Worth is an indication like ANY BUISNESS, of how you are performing.

NOT AN INSULT, BUT THAT WAS THE DUMBEST THING IVE EVER HEARD.... MIESTRO YOU TOO, SINCE YOU DECIDE TO CHIME IN TOO, ANSWER ME THIS...


GO TO BILL GATES, and say to the dude------- hey dont worry, performance has nothing to do with the net worth of your company, so it doesnt matter if you put out a sub par product, because the magical revenue fairy is going to come and sprinkle her money making dust all over your company...


hahahah, ohhh god. Its like, people who think they are sports fans, cant just watch sportscentre every night, and watch the majority of their teams games and think they are sports fan. You guys are pseudo fans....



THE WINNIEST TEAMS ARE THE WEALTHIEST TEAMS. JUST LIKE THE BUISNESS WORLD, WHICH EACH TEAM IS, THE COMPANY WITH THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT WILL BE THE RICHER COMPANY.


I really want to hear Miestro's and Vick's response to that... this outta be good how they get outta that stupid statement....

is winniest even a word? ---> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/WINNIEST ?

 

[Vick]

Summy perhaps you can explain why the Yankees havent won the World Series in like a decade, The Leafs havent won the Stanley Cup in 42 years, the Redskins havent won the Super Bowl in 16 years, and the New York Knicks havent won since 1973... These are the most valuable teams in every sport... Hmmm... You see a pattern here? Yes winning made them valuable, but what now? The Yankees have spent well over a billion dollars in payroll, and havent won one in a decade... Who gives a flying f*ck what a team is worth, just because the Knicks are WORTH more than the Warriors doesnt make them BETTER than the Warriors.. Just because the Leafs are WORTH more than the Sharks doesnt make them better... The Lakers are worth more than the Celtics, who was holding the trophy at the end? If your worth is indicative of your performance, then I guess the Knicks are doing pretty damn well right? Sometimes the city you play in automatically makes your team a little more valuable... New York is a hotbed for sports... Your arguement is flawed in so many ways... I feel like I'm teaching an elementary class when I talk to you...

3 of the last 4 Stanley cup winners are no where near the top 5 in Value...
The last 4 NBA champions are not in the top 5 in terms of Value.
The only sport where your theory has any weight is in baseball, where recently the Red Sox have started to take over... Even then, you have teams like the Marlins and Diamondbacks who arent worht shit that have won titles in recent years...

Summy I'll say again, your current net worth has nothing to do with your performance, the stats prove it... Ask Redskins fans...

 

[Summy]

Vick, your a pseudo sports fan.

Your evaluation of what a good franchise entails is the last year played. You have no appreciation for the history of sports, and the legacy of certain franchises.

The Yankees are the legends of any sports franchise, and the most successful, buisness and sports wise. Becasue they havent played well for 5 years or so, doesnt mean that they arent one of the best franchises ever.

The Tampa Bay Rays are in 1st place of the AL east right. With your skewed understanding of sports, they are somehow a better franchise than the BoSoxs, Yanks, Orelies and Jays right?

Your problem is that when you take pride in a franchise, you take pride in the FRANCHISE, not last year's performance. I am proud to be a leafs fan, because even during our drought, we have put out good teams, that have reached the conference finals and deep into the playoffs.

YOUR logic makes no sense. Worth has everything to do with a team's performance. Maybe not last year, but overall yes. Your such a bandwagon guy. Lets see, Microsoft suffered last year, but is still one of the most successful, well run buisness EVER. Is last year's results indicitive of the overall performance of their buisness, NO.


You take pride in the fact that the 49 winers won 5 superbowls. Well buddy, last year they sucked bones, and if it wasnt for Frank Gore, you guys would be even worst off. Is that indicative of how crappy your franchise is?


WORTH HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMCE. YES FACTORS LIKE LOCATION MATTER, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS PERFORMANCE. You can have an amazing location like the Bay area, and still put out failures like the warriors.


Get your sports straight, and what you should be proud about.