How did phumanian develop?

[bale]

I have always been wondering about how such a 16-beat set could develop from a community centered folk dance. From what I could deduce, phumanian originated in the Udhampur, Jammu and Kashmir region. However, I don't understand how such a move that contains elements of so many other traditional moves could develop as a folk dance.

Did this 16-beat move develop only after bhangra became a performed dance or is it some kind of compilation of the original phumanian dance?

It is hard to explain, but any knowledge of the subject would definitely help.

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

I think like other moves that we see on stage bhangra, it was probably a folk dance on its own before partition and after most proponents moved to other places it died out. I am not sure too much about it but I think the SIAC guys had a good pamphlet on their website about what happened similarly to jhummar and sammi when it was integrated into stage bhangra.

 

[Meistro]

are you talking about the phumanian we are all familiar with (ie, the one where you kick back one leg, move forward, kick back leg, move back, then spin)? Or the other version that very few teams use. I would assume that you're talking about version 2, that one his hard to describe.

 

[faizan]

meistro, what is the less used one that you are referring to? any videos?

 

[Meistro]

AVA did it at boston 2007. I cant think of any other teams off the top of my head who did the other version of phumanian. It has a faster dhol beat. loll im thinking of how to describe it. haha

 

[Temurzai]

we cant exactly check ava's dance cuz it wont be posted, and i dont remember how they did their phumania...now im sittin here tryin to think and i cant haha, yalla meistro, yalla

 

[Manjot]

AVA did it at boston 2007. I cant think of any other teams off the top of my head who did the other version of phumanian. It has a faster dhol beat. loll im thinking of how to describe it. haha

you mean like when u bend ur knees a little bit and "screw the light bulb" on the bottom left side then the top right side? loll i think thats version 2

 

[Ashqe]

you mean like when u bend ur knees a little bit and "screw the light bulb" on the bottom left side then the top right side? loll i think thats version 2

Hahahaha thats what I think of too when I do that move but yeah I'm pretty sure that is the other type of Phumanian. Though it's only 4 beats long and completely different from the usual Phumanian but still I've heard of people saying that "the lightbulb move" is also called Phumanian.

 

[HarmanSingh]

lol Manjot is right, that is the "other" Phumniyan.

 

[Meistro]

hahahahahah thats EXACTLY what it is, lolll I just didnt wanna call it the lightbulb move! hahaha

 

[bale]

oh, ok, i remember that second phumanian step that you are talking about.

But what about the first one, that is really popular among North American teams? Where did that come from?

 

[TheBraveOne]

I think hes talking about the 20 step or some people like to call it 21 step....

is it where u bring ur hands towards ur shoullders rapidly and pick ur right leg up or back and then u run forward..pump ur hands again then go bak and then spin bla bla bla...


if thats the phumnian ur talking about then i dont know where it came from

 

[Jeeti]

I think hes talking about the 20 step or some people like to call it 21 step....

is it where u bring ur hands towards ur shoullders rapidly and pick ur right leg up or back and then u run forward..pump ur hands again then go bak and then spin bla bla bla...


if thats the phumnian ur talking about then i dont know where it came from

Thats the more common one bro..the one they are talking about is different and so far a complete mystery to me....please someone manage to put it into words.

 

[Meistro]

I think hes talking about the 20 step or some people like to call it 21 step....

is it where u bring ur hands towards ur shoullders rapidly and pick ur right leg up or back and then u run forward..pump ur hands again then go bak and then spin bla bla bla...


if thats the phumnian ur talking about then i dont know where it came from

what if i was talking about the other phumanian? THEN would you know where it came from?

 

[Meistro]

lol lets call phumanian version 2, "DHOOJA PHUMANIAN" loll makes you sounds legit. haha

 

[Arjun Barua]

VCU did both types of phumanian here at 3:43, one after the other. We didn't do "version 2" properly--it's not even the right beat to do it on--but you can still get a general idea of what it looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yarGCKWC3jQ

 

[Manjot]

from where i learned bhangra we had a different name for version 1..."Tin Tara"..i still call it that and just call version 2 phumanian

 

[Ashqe]

Yeah, here's another version of the second Phumanian at 2:39.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0MAxyECZ5U&NR=1

 

[HMalhi]

People may have different names for both but i guess they can both be considered phumanian since they are often done to the same boli:

"phumanian pounde jadon much putt gabrooo
tael patta nu lakey
nachde eh gabroo ne soney lagde
ne tu vaek majajan ah ke"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XueK6iHAto4

They do Phumanian 1 to this boli at 5:22

At Boston AVA did the Phumanian 2 to the exact same boli

 

[Ashveer]

Meistro, I can't believe you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jgVchuQZfWQ

6:50