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How do YOU, Americans, feel you are recieved in the World Community?

Summy

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Just read this INSANE, seething article about how americans think others view them, and how people in the world community actually feel towards americans.

What do you guys think? Nothing is off limits, pre-9/11, foreign policy, different parts of the world... how do you think people see you guys? Liberators? Oppressors? Democratic leaders? Imperialists?

What are your opinions? Interested to hear this.
 

pluthra

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1) how dare u use my uncle sam technique!!!!! of emphasing the YOU....but its cool

2) hmmm depends on the region, I feel like in India-ahh we're just very hmm worshipped (used loosely).....which disgusts me.....

ok so at 1 point i was all pro-immigration and yaaa immigration should be allowed and the US should have less harsh immigration policies and wanted to help people immigrate to the US in legal ways...then I changed my mind; I no longer wanted to become an immigration lawyer; and the reason behind it being-why would you want to move to the US????? I feel like people in India really don't take time to really see what they have is great. Instead, its I wanna move to america lets go. Like, what's the point of moving here without your family here, and working like forever just so you can make enough money for your family back in India, and when your family is probably doin well in India. Its like choosing happiness within one's family over happiness which you will buy them by giving them comfort by providing money. So, overall, my point is I hate the Indian view of America because they make us look overly good when we're just average

hmmm i wonder wat we're thought of in Africa?

but also, do people think that Bush really represents all of america? b/c its not like all countries have access to what the american people really think; or do they see america as a bunch of different voices?

as terms of like executing policies, I kinda think that alot of countries would probably say the US talks a lot; we make way too many promises, we are very aggressive about our stances on views- theres no pressuring allowed-what we do is what we do and we want take responsibility (if its good)....we're just very aggressive as a country, and is someways I kinda wish that other countries were too. Like, everything is almost clear cut for Americans. You want to know our immigration policy-here well this is what I think, and here is what congress thinks. But, it they're presenting it to another country, then its black and white. Bold headline in size 72 font: WHAT AMERICA'S STAND IS!!!! <- thats how we present ourselves I think, as loud and almost snobby (but we haven't reached that point yet)
 

Saleem

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Guarantee you, Summy, that the Americans on this forum are of a much different calibur than the 'average American'. Definitely not the average level of education, income, political center, etc. As I believe you pointed out much earlier, immigration is a selector for those who are willing to leave what they have to work harder for something better for them and their future. It is a man-made selection that gives you a lot of the people on this forum.

That said, I think that the (educated) world does not see us as liberators. I think those who have reviewed American foreign policy in the latter half of the 20th century see some good interventions, but also plenty of country-building and us being where we may not necessarily be welcome (much of this in Latin America and Afghanistan, to curb the spread of Communism) as well as intervention in Iran and the Middle East in general. This culminated in the Bush Doctrine (which someone should tell Sarah Palin about) where we now launch pre-emptive strikes against perceived threats, which is a slippery slope. I don't think the rest of the world really appreciates this. I think Americans are seen as ignorant, uneducated, uncouth, overly-nationalistic people. Of course, this is a caricature of reality, but so be it. I think that Americans can move forward under new leadership, but unfortunately, many Americans are proud of their ignorance and hold onto it :(
 

pluthra

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well, how about others? how do our neighbors view us?????

wat about canada itself? how do you, canadians, feel that you are viewed?
 

Summy

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The article was published in Macleans magazine that I read at the doctors office, I wish I would have noted the issue.
Parul, I am not sure about the whole thing of Indians being in love with Americans. I think they appreciate the western lifestyle. I think I get what your saying though.

Saleem, I dont think you can make a distinction between the "average american" and you guys. You guys are average americans. Are you part of the majority middle class? Probably. Are you guys well established into the commmunity, most likely. Just because the majority of you guys are children of immigrant parents, doesnt allow YOU, to differeniate yourself from other americans. You guys know, I believe the cultural attachment people have to punjabi and indian culture through Bhangra is extremely superficial. I have always said that there is no real connection being made in today's youth culture, and as much as punjabi culture has become a bragging point, there is argument to be made if anyone is willing to say that you guys identify more with punjabi/indian culture than american culture.

The thing that the article said that was so impressive is that obviously Americans are viewed extremely negatively over the world. It may be assoicated with their ignorant foreign policy, or just the problems that come along with being the cultural and finicial superpower. Having said that, the author asserted that especially those countries fimilar with the democratic process, the anger is directed towards the american people. Now Saleem, wanted to make a disconnect between the people here on this site, and those average americans. This is important to keep in mind with what the author stated as the defining moment.

He or she, claimed that there has been a long dislike for american society, but the 2004 elections is what solidified the hate in western socieities. He said, that obviously the war was recieved well around the world. The international community did not support it, and the US didnt care. It dragged Blair into the war, which led to his demise as well. He claimed that the elections was the time for the americans to stand up against the actions of the Iraq war, and the actions of the president. Not only did the MAJORITY of the american public vote Bush back in, they voted them back in despite the faulty war and the international disrespect that was was seen. I have said this before, this is not news.

The thing that I didnt care for in the article was that the author inserted that the general american doesnt care about how they project themselves to the world community. Again, Canada is a huge member of the international society. We dont cough with UN and NATO approval. The american people had a chance to make amends. When the american opinion was so low, and Bush had insulted the international community, the american public didnt care that people disrespected them throughout the world. The author argued that only when things got bad for american themselves, Ie- when the troops started to die in huge numbers, and when the economy when in the guttar, gas prices rising, thats when Bush's numbers went down, and it doesnt matter what his approval rating is, doesnt mean a thing.

Moving into the war, what I agree with is, that in both parties, when quized about the war, whether it is the president or the candidates, both are questioned on how to bring the troops home, and never the condition Iraq will be left in. Guess who is going to clean it up?

I can tell you, as CANADIANS, we were not attacked on 9/11. We did nothing wrong. WE did not invade afghanistan, and we did not invade iraq. We did not create decades of conditions where extremist thinking could breed. However, why are our solidiers dieing in Afghanistan? Why are our tax dollars, our hard earned money being spent in Afghanistan, because the US doesnt want to fund or send adequate troops there? Why are we building up the country that the US tore down. I had a friend who lost her cousin in Afghanistan, and for what? There is not only anger in the sense that we are cleaning up the mess of the Americans, and OUR people are dieing, and we are drapping OUR flag over dead, young, amazing soliders; it is that the Americans only cared when their personal lives were affected. When it was time to do something in 04, Americans didnt care about the pain they gave to the world. Only when their pocket book took a hit, did the backlash start.

I think for the most part, and the way I sometimes feel is that americans want to disassoicate themselves from the actions of their government, when they were the one's who support it, and made it happen in the first place.
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Do you guys care how you are viewed? Does it even matter of you. I know its a big part of the canadian identity, and thats why the government advises you to put a canadian flag on your backpack when you travel, because we are liked, but do you guys care? How you are viewed in the middle east, canada, mexico, UK, north eastern africa (actions in darfur), and other places around the world?
 

HarmanSingh

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Summy, I disagree about a lot of us being a part of American society and being the average American. I am not accepted by mainstream America. My family has never been a part accepted by America. As a man with a pugh and a dhari, America will not treat me as an American, even if I was born and raised here. And while most of us are middle class, we have a completely different upbringing than a large portion of America. Peoples? experiences in New York and Boston as immigrants differ greatly from southern whites who voted Bush into office. As I am sure you know, literally NO ONE on this forum supports McCain for president. Many of us could not even vote in the last election. So to pass the blame onto us, who are against this Neo-Con philosophy and who acknowledge so much bigotry and hatred America has propagated in the past is a bit unfair.

Keep in mind, Bush did NOT win his elections by landslides. Hell, he stole the election from Gore. There is no one America. Their simply isn?t. The way the elite in Pennsylvania live is not the way in Detroit live. So to act like all of America supports this government or the philosophy this government has subscribed to in the past is unfair. The majority of people who voted for Bush are your Evangelical whites who are simply brainwashed by this ?culture war? and war on terror. Just like it would be absurd to denigrate all of Iraq for its failure to overcome its own downfalls, it is absurd to denigrate all of America for the actions of Bush. Following that logic, would America suddenly be intelligent and great if Obama is elected?

Young Americans are generally ashamed of the way America is viewed across the world. They hate the way this country has behaved and continues to behave. I really think America?s relationship can be repaired with the world, because the truth is, most world leaders are just like America?s- thirsty for money and power. And when America can build strong relationships and promote economic togetherness, these world leaders will easily forgive America for its wrongs, just as they have done in the past.
 
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