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Joshiley Jawan - Elite 8 Bhangra Invitiational 2015 Champions
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sartajjudge
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Both the original mix and Klasikhz' intro are sick. Is there anyway JJ could release a fused mix of the intended intro with Klasikhz' snippet and the rest of the mix?
Sue Sylvester
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People enjoy performances for different reasons and can appreciate different things about a routine. For me, I've enjoyed watching JJ over the past years because the routines are well made and have a lot of thought put into them, from bigger picture to minutia. I haven't seen much of the other teams that performed at Elite this year, but I can't help but compare this performance to your last foray into the 16 man space (especially since it was also at Elite 8 ).
In that comparison, however, I liked the set @ Elite 8 2012 much better than this one. There was a lot of thought, purpose and precision then. This performance, on the other hand, seemed too random and sloppy at times. Perhaps, this new direction helped limit some of your handicaps as a team with dancers from everywhere and was why you clinched the win, from the looks of the scoring sheets, so easily. But Elite 8 2012, in my opinion, was a more intelligent set, Elite 8 2015 could maybe be seen as a smarter set.
For example, formations at Elite 8 2012 were 10x better. There were multiple creative formation mechanisms and not only did formations transition well from one to another, but every motion had a purpose and seemed carefully planned. Even the most unexperienced of viewers could figure out what the formation was at any point and how and why each dancer moved the direction that they did. In this set, there was only 1 formation that I felt was impressive and reminiscent of the formation smithery that we use to see in JJ's sets. There was a lot of sporadic movement or formations that seemed indiscernible on first watch. I guess, when the formation isn't super obvious, you can't also easily see if people are off and they definitely were at parts. (ie: It's easy to see when people are off in a 4x4 box, but not so much in something that was maybe 2 pyramids with people spaced between it, I dunno) Also, the vardii are so colorful/random that it's harder to identify the jodis as easily when everyone's moving around so it made appreciating the formations, if there was an effect that was intentional, more difficult. There was a lot of dancing in spot and a lot of staggers. Nothing against that, but I've come to expect more from JJ.
A lot of the dancers on this team are good in their own right. But there wasn't an impression of team unity in dancing and style that you got a bit more of in the past. You could tell the difference between styles and could notice dancers executing basic moves like punjab and makhani differently. It didn't seem like the choreography was standardized across dancers. The much faster tempo of this set compared to 2012, while making the set look much more livelier, helped to hide some of the inherent difference in execution but at times, the entire team didn't seem like they were finishing moves or weren't lifting their legs (walking) or getting low or executing with aesthetically pleasing good form. For me, I couldn't appreciate the dancing and choreography as much because it felt rushed and came off as sloppy at times. Also, the segmented spinnings/freeze/squats/jumps by different groups at parts were at times too quick, too subtle or seemed too without rhyme or reason that it really didn't add any value to the set.
Honestly, I think you guys were overdue for a win somewhere so congrats on that, but as you said, Shahrukh, it's more about making memorable sets. You guys have had some well-thought out, memorable sets over the years. I think going faster and having less obvious formations may have worked in your favor (you won, so I guess it did!), but I definitely miss the precision and the thought that was more so evident in previous JJ sets.
In that comparison, however, I liked the set @ Elite 8 2012 much better than this one. There was a lot of thought, purpose and precision then. This performance, on the other hand, seemed too random and sloppy at times. Perhaps, this new direction helped limit some of your handicaps as a team with dancers from everywhere and was why you clinched the win, from the looks of the scoring sheets, so easily. But Elite 8 2012, in my opinion, was a more intelligent set, Elite 8 2015 could maybe be seen as a smarter set.
For example, formations at Elite 8 2012 were 10x better. There were multiple creative formation mechanisms and not only did formations transition well from one to another, but every motion had a purpose and seemed carefully planned. Even the most unexperienced of viewers could figure out what the formation was at any point and how and why each dancer moved the direction that they did. In this set, there was only 1 formation that I felt was impressive and reminiscent of the formation smithery that we use to see in JJ's sets. There was a lot of sporadic movement or formations that seemed indiscernible on first watch. I guess, when the formation isn't super obvious, you can't also easily see if people are off and they definitely were at parts. (ie: It's easy to see when people are off in a 4x4 box, but not so much in something that was maybe 2 pyramids with people spaced between it, I dunno) Also, the vardii are so colorful/random that it's harder to identify the jodis as easily when everyone's moving around so it made appreciating the formations, if there was an effect that was intentional, more difficult. There was a lot of dancing in spot and a lot of staggers. Nothing against that, but I've come to expect more from JJ.
A lot of the dancers on this team are good in their own right. But there wasn't an impression of team unity in dancing and style that you got a bit more of in the past. You could tell the difference between styles and could notice dancers executing basic moves like punjab and makhani differently. It didn't seem like the choreography was standardized across dancers. The much faster tempo of this set compared to 2012, while making the set look much more livelier, helped to hide some of the inherent difference in execution but at times, the entire team didn't seem like they were finishing moves or weren't lifting their legs (walking) or getting low or executing with aesthetically pleasing good form. For me, I couldn't appreciate the dancing and choreography as much because it felt rushed and came off as sloppy at times. Also, the segmented spinnings/freeze/squats/jumps by different groups at parts were at times too quick, too subtle or seemed too without rhyme or reason that it really didn't add any value to the set.
Honestly, I think you guys were overdue for a win somewhere so congrats on that, but as you said, Shahrukh, it's more about making memorable sets. You guys have had some well-thought out, memorable sets over the years. I think going faster and having less obvious formations may have worked in your favor (you won, so I guess it did!), but I definitely miss the precision and the thought that was more so evident in previous JJ sets.
KironMizanur
Loughborough & Gabru Furteley
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Honda been trying to perfect Asimo robot since the 70s... I think JJ have the answer
The Honest Truth
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Not a huge fan of mela to begin the set but somehow you guys made it work..Loved the long sher intro...khunda segment was a pant changer..Also loved the random tiger growl sound effect thingy throughout the set, gave each segement it was in a "badass" kinda feeling....im a huge fan of mashup endings and the stop, hit the ground, tiger growl thingy in middle of it was jus sick and plain nasty, really no other way i can put it...there were times however where you could see dancers in the back taking it VERY easily as Sue noted which was kinda distracting...all in all though, sick set..kinda felt like i was watching an elite 8 2010 video..maybe it was the stage haha congrats on going out with the W and cementing your legacy. Well done boyzzz
Dholi harsh
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Quick shout out to neet, I haven't really seen many dholis have the balls to play to music with a mic. I would love to see more of that in the circuit. I've always felt a good dholi has always been neglected and not really appreciated as much. Neet really held it down. Just an overall badass 
Jacquizz Rogers
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this set was fire. saap segment & jhummar were my favorites. that jump in the jhummar made my liver quiver. sick song selection as well.
gssaggu1
UK Bhangra: St George's // Vasda Punjab
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Gonna jump on this while it's still hot!
Vardiyan - Impressive, with the GTV lighting the contrasting jodi colours was something really unique yet maintaining an all simple folk edge at the same time. This definitely caught the eye from the get-go.
Mix - Miss quacxingh mixes, but it was a good trade off and still having him in the loop was tight. Rajbir did well and helped steer the direction to something more fitting with a Canadian squad (rumaal/paced shikkeh) which is what definitely caught me by surprise and was something which I'm sure other seasoned dancers were not expecting!
I liked the fact that everyone danced ham but also incorporated well punctuated pauses to catch their breaths (went both ways for some viewers but seemed to work for me). The stop go parts in the choreo worked well and def the crip walk was dope - throwback to the VCU style! This set caught many by surprise and I think that many teams may have written you guys off in the past, but definitely couldn't slate this. Agree with this being a deviant from the former JJ style but otherwise just echoing the above feedback!
Great to see the old faces still going strong! #returnoftheJJ
Vardiyan - Impressive, with the GTV lighting the contrasting jodi colours was something really unique yet maintaining an all simple folk edge at the same time. This definitely caught the eye from the get-go.
Mix - Miss quacxingh mixes, but it was a good trade off and still having him in the loop was tight. Rajbir did well and helped steer the direction to something more fitting with a Canadian squad (rumaal/paced shikkeh) which is what definitely caught me by surprise and was something which I'm sure other seasoned dancers were not expecting!
I liked the fact that everyone danced ham but also incorporated well punctuated pauses to catch their breaths (went both ways for some viewers but seemed to work for me). The stop go parts in the choreo worked well and def the crip walk was dope - throwback to the VCU style! This set caught many by surprise and I think that many teams may have written you guys off in the past, but definitely couldn't slate this. Agree with this being a deviant from the former JJ style but otherwise just echoing the above feedback!
Great to see the old faces still going strong! #returnoftheJJ
scaplash
Husky Bhangra (retired); KWG; GR
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When watching this set, I feel like part of me had a reaction similar to Sue in terms of set design- in places like standardization, energy and formations I feel like JJ has done better. There were times when legs dropped in the back and execution of choreo was not the same throughout. Aside from a couple formations here and there, this didn't have as many impressive formations. Formations did more to rotate dancers than achieve complex shapes and movements. It got sloppy at times as well. However, one thing JJ has consistently especially in this set is innovate with choreo while still keeping that signature traditional flair.
On the other hand, as someone who loves bhangra the dance form, watching some of the best dancers on the circuit go out there and just rip it and have the time of their lives was a pleasure to watch. I think more sets need to be like this-where dancers take risks with choreo and have fun on stage.
Placing this set I think is a conversation that can only be had after al videos are released, but this set was no doubt memorable in the way those dancers took the stage.
On another note, I wonder if the increasing popularity of plastic saaps will push us as a bhangra community to hit even harder and faster saap segments. Seeing JJ's saap segment, BK's segment and seeing how much faster they seem to be than in the past is an interesting trend I think also should be noted.
-Sonny
On the other hand, as someone who loves bhangra the dance form, watching some of the best dancers on the circuit go out there and just rip it and have the time of their lives was a pleasure to watch. I think more sets need to be like this-where dancers take risks with choreo and have fun on stage.
Placing this set I think is a conversation that can only be had after al videos are released, but this set was no doubt memorable in the way those dancers took the stage.
On another note, I wonder if the increasing popularity of plastic saaps will push us as a bhangra community to hit even harder and faster saap segments. Seeing JJ's saap segment, BK's segment and seeing how much faster they seem to be than in the past is an interesting trend I think also should be noted.
-Sonny
Psant
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I can't stop watching this set.
It's not because the dancers are uniform.
It's not because it's super clean.
It's not because everyone is lifting their legs super high.
It's not because everyone is dancing at 110% the whole time.
It's not because every segment has a formation that makes me jump out of my seat (even though there are a few).
It's not because it has my favorite song choices.
I can't stop watching this set simply because it was 8 entertaining, fast-paced minutes of some of the best dancers around having the time of their lives on stage. For someone usually critical, all of those things just flew out of the window when I saw this set for what it collectively is - truly elite.
</fanyboy>
It's not because the dancers are uniform.
It's not because it's super clean.
It's not because everyone is lifting their legs super high.
It's not because everyone is dancing at 110% the whole time.
It's not because every segment has a formation that makes me jump out of my seat (even though there are a few).
It's not because it has my favorite song choices.
I can't stop watching this set simply because it was 8 entertaining, fast-paced minutes of some of the best dancers around having the time of their lives on stage. For someone usually critical, all of those things just flew out of the window when I saw this set for what it collectively is - truly elite.
</fanyboy>
Gsimz
Ne Asi Gabroo Desh Punjab De ;)
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After Iqwak posted his into I really wish the committee would have let you guys use it! It was so dirty!!!
I really enjoyed this performance. Each segment had a purpose! The speed really kept me entertained as well. Flow was good too!
Bringing Jugni back was DOPE! Then Lut Lo Nazare (I always wanted to use this song, but never got the chance to mix properly). That drop was too sickk and my favorite mixed part of the mix. The Aaja ne Aaja formation was sick as well.
Your guys Dholi is sick. I love it when Dholi's don't just play on the side and they actually get into the performance with you. Felt like it really complemented the set and enhanced the performance.
Congrats again! Really glad you guys got what you deserved the first time around (Although, like I told you SRK, I enjoyed the first elite 8 set more )
I really enjoyed this performance. Each segment had a purpose! The speed really kept me entertained as well. Flow was good too!
Bringing Jugni back was DOPE! Then Lut Lo Nazare (I always wanted to use this song, but never got the chance to mix properly). That drop was too sickk and my favorite mixed part of the mix. The Aaja ne Aaja formation was sick as well.
Your guys Dholi is sick. I love it when Dholi's don't just play on the side and they actually get into the performance with you. Felt like it really complemented the set and enhanced the performance.
Congrats again! Really glad you guys got what you deserved the first time around
(Although, like I told you SRK, I enjoyed the first elite 8 set more )
KaartikM
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Congrats! You guys held it down and killed the ending especially. The betka to ground punch at the end made my pants come off. But seriously, being able to learn from some of the best dancers in the circuit was the best experience I had with JJ at bell! The amount of passion on that elite stage was insane. As mentioned earlier, younger dancers should see how effortlessly all 16 people moved on stage, being able to keep form and still enjoy every second of it.
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Mix is fire
Keya baat hai Jawana Di, Dil kush karta. SRK you made it Brother. TO Win Elite 8 was your dream and i think it came true in right time Congrats on placing first and also thank you for setting up a great example of bhangra for young and new brand new teams out there. Bahut kuch learn karan nu .
SSNY
Sadi Sabi Naal Yaari
Congrats on placing first and also thank you for setting up a great example of bhangra for young and new brand new teams out there. Bahut kuch learn karan nu .SSNY
Sadi Sabi Naal Yaari
sstakhar
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Will post a detailed review soon, loved the performance, congrats guys!! The 2012 elite set was one of my favourites too but this is right up there, for a lot of different reasons too. So awesome seeing guys whose videos i've watched for so many years just go out and enjoy themselves; it was simply a really entertaining set!
hskalirai1
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An impressive performance guys.
Well done Shahrukh & The rest of the team, what a way to go out with a bang.
Loved the mela scene too with the lollypop mix, real folk. Set the theme nicely.
I know you say this was ur last.. But so was the last one lol. Lets hope u guys return back on the circuit, if not this team, a younger generation team which keeps JJ's name alive.
Good job guys.
All the way from the UK, Ankhile
P.s. Hold onto that t shirt for me!!
Well done Shahrukh & The rest of the team, what a way to go out with a bang.
Loved the mela scene too with the lollypop mix, real folk. Set the theme nicely.
I know you say this was ur last.. But so was the last one lol. Lets hope u guys return back on the circuit, if not this team, a younger generation team which keeps JJ's name alive.
Good job guys.
All the way from the UK, Ankhile
P.s. Hold onto that t shirt for me!!