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Ludhiana on Fire

Varun

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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091206/punjab.htm#11

“We never knew he will be killed. We came here as it was a summon from the God through the mouth of Baba Dhandrian wale,” said his wife Surjit Kaur.

The guy who organized the protests against the Ashutosh Baba was the same guy who hated on Babbu Mann. Ranjit Singh Dadrianwale. i like how all these fake babas are duking it out with each other and in the cross-fire die the ignorant, religious zealot masses. Its a damn shame.
 

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Turbo said:
Varun... bro...you said yourself that you don't know much about the issue......so how you can made riduculous statements like you did in your last post,i have no idea.......................these are not religious idiots going buckwild with talwaras....

lemme break it down as simple as i can........this Ashutosh Baba claims to be the secondcoming of Guru Nanak..these foos are going around trying to convert sikhs into their own version of sikhi.....that part is not the bad part........this is.....this guy takes young girls from his followers and keeps them at his dera...there have been numerous reports of girls coming out and saying they've been raped this guy.they dont follow the sikh religion..they make their own shit out of it...if u want to practice something else thats fine..but when you want to change an entire identity of a peoples...then that shit don't work....to top it all of....this guy gets full fucking protection from the Indian and the Punjab government....(i see them as the same cuz they're all fuckin out to kill us Sikhs off).....badal is bought by the Gandhis and the Gandhis are just waiting until they can bring their kids back into the prime minister role....look at what the badal family has done for punjab..nothing....just watch a indian congressional thing or something ...anytime a congressman wants to speak of about any issue that might be against badal....ALL OF CONGRESS goes buck wild...its literally like a circus...people going nuts...(their version of fillibuster)...im not exagarreting......and before you bring Manhoman Singh into this....this motherfucker has not not done shit for punjab since he's been office..just cuz he has a turban on his head doesnt give us Sikhs any comfort knowing he's the prime minister....anyway that is whole another issue...

back to the topic at hand.....so this ashutosh baba was going to do a parade around Ludhiana....claiming to be Sikh and trying to get people to follow him..he already has a huge following of Bhaiyes from UP that have emigrated to Punjab and they're fuckin shit up in punjab.....He's said numerous times the guru granth sahib is not necessary..he says he is the living guru...its not that he just makes these claims...its the fact that they get people to follow their lies because the uneducated population of Punjab sadly does not know any better

the bhaiyes started the riots and burned cars and shops and the Punjab Police did not do shit.....no police walls...no curfews no nothing.....then this Ashutosh baba fudu wants to do a parade to make a mockery of the Sikhs ...and the sikhs organized a peaceful protest.....Sant Ranjit Singh was sitting in front center of this shit man....they're were just trying to exercise their right to a peaceful protest.........

Harish Bedi..the BJP Mla( sorta like a congressman)....called badal and got him to send over an army of police to stop this peaceful march of a protest..Bedi's son..Honey bedi ordered the police to shoot at a crowd ...a crowd who was not looking for a fight...at a crowd looking to march peacefully..................now you tell me bro...if someone starts shooting at you when you're not doing anything...are you gonna stay quiet or fucking fight back...? the cops shot at the crowd..when the crowd was only marching..not looking to fight anyone....once they killed someone ...shit got real....and it was on...but theres only so much u can do when u bring a sword to a gunfight...................might i add..a few days earlier..when the bhaiyes were BURNING BUSES AND CARS and there was no curfew.....no army of police....no shooting at anyone

why you might ask did this happen when the sikh people decided to march...well its pretty fuckin simple...all these deras and different sects are put and funded by the indian government......simple as can be.....

these little deras and different sects are not different religions..they're formed to divide the people of punjab..to divide the sikhs.....as you know....divided we fall, united we stand..................its mass organized plan by the government of india or might i even say the gandhi family to erradicate the sikhs and erradicate punjab(half of which is already been done)......and if you or anyone thinks this statement is outrageous...look at the events of the last 20 years........just take a hard look man....whos been at the short end of every little thing...whos had their natural resources completely taken away..whos had theirs peoples killed off like sheep over and over and over......just take a hard look...its really very simple.....our people need to stand together and not worry about who is who and who is what...just stand together and say enough is enough already.................only if bhindrawale was still alive....

:49 and on.............watch it man..this is one of the leaders speaking to the media about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m2uY2RZ87M


sorry for the long post..but i just got back from work and read this.....and i just couldn't let you make the shootings and killings of my people into some fight of "ignorant, religious zealot masses".
Pretty much.
 

Sher

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Badal visiting/paying respect to one of these Deras:
http://worldsikhnews.com/25%20June%202008/Image/badal%20at%20sirsa%20dera.jpg

Like Turbo said, its not like the Sikhs in Punjab are rioting for no reason. Alot of these "sant babas" are taking in women and children and raping them in God's name and I dont think anyone should really just sit down and let that happen. Yea, it looks like the Sikhs are wrong thanks to alot of the media sources, but when has the media really been fair? These "sects" have a long history of doing things to infuriate the Sikh masses (like converting/raping the people of Punjab and putting their feet on Guru Granth Sahib).
 

Varun

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Turbo,

Most people who are swayed by religion, rarely know that they are pawns in a political game. Same with a majority of Jihadis, "Compassionate Conservatives", Hindutvas- they think they are following their religion but in reality they are just being manipulated.

As for my statement on religious zealots, it was really motivated by that quote from the wife of the guy who died:

“We never knew he will be killed. We came here as it was a summon from the God through the mouth of Baba Dhandrian wale,” said his wife Surjit Kaur.

I mean, the "Panthic" leaders say that Ashutosh baba are anti-Sikh and misleading the people, what about they themselves? Telling people that they "summon God"? Aren't Sikhs supposed to be summoned by the SGGS, not Baba Dhandrian Wale?

Dude, I have been watching Indian news all my life. I have come to the conclusion that every protest, event, religious incitment- always has a political agenda behind it. The more blood that spills, the better it is for the politicians who are going to get what they want. Think for yourself, what spoils will this event bring? Maybe a greater loss for SAD-BJP in the next election?

Turbo said:
these little deras and different sects are not different religions..they're formed to divide the people of punjab..to divide the sikhs.....as you know....divided we fall, united we stand..................its mass organized plan by the government of india or might i even say the gandhi family to erradicate the sikhs and erradicate punjab(half of which is already been done)......and if you or anyone thinks this statement is outrageous...look at the events of the last 20 years........just take a hard look man....whos been at the short end of every little thing...whos had their natural resources completely taken away..whos had theirs peoples killed off like sheep over and over and over......just take a hard look...its really very simple.....our people need to stand together and not worry about who is who and who is what...just stand together and say enough is enough already.................only if bhindrawale was still alive....
Punjabis and Sikhs have it best my friend. You should see the livlihood of rural South Indian immigrants to Mumbai, Muslim refugees who come in from Bangladesh, Biharis, and the rural populations of people living in Naxalite terrirory in East/Central India. Oh and if "only bhindrawale was still alive," Punjab would be a Taliban theocracy where anything not sanctioned in the SGGS would be forbidden. People like me (with atheist, non-dogmatic views) would probably publicly executed. I liked the majority of your post but this conspiracy theory bull shit needs to go away.
 

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Turbo said:
Varun... bro...you said yourself that you don't know much about the issue......so how you can made riduculous statements like you did in your last post,i have no idea.......................these are not religious idiots going buckwild with talwaras....

lemme break it down as simple as i can........this Ashutosh Baba claims to be the secondcoming of Guru Nanak..these foos are going around trying to convert sikhs into their own version of sikhi.....that part is not the bad part........this is.....this guy takes young girls from his followers and keeps them at his dera...there have been numerous reports of girls coming out and saying they've been raped this guy.they dont follow the sikh religion..they make their own shit out of it...if u want to practice something else thats fine..but when you want to change an entire identity of a peoples...then that shit don't work....to top it all of....this guy gets full fucking protection from the Indian and the Punjab government....(i see them as the same cuz they're all fuckin out to kill us Sikhs off).....badal is bought by the Gandhis and the Gandhis are just waiting until they can bring their kids back into the prime minister role....look at what the badal family has done for punjab..nothing....just watch a indian congressional thing or something ...anytime a congressman wants to speak of about any issue that might be against badal....ALL OF CONGRESS goes buck wild...its literally like a circus...people going nuts...(their version of fillibuster)...im not exagarreting......and before you bring Manhoman Singh into this....this motherfucker has not not done shit for punjab since he's been office..just cuz he has a turban on his head doesnt give us Sikhs any comfort knowing he's the prime minister....anyway that is a whole another issue...

back to the topic at hand.....so this ashutosh baba was going to do a parade around Ludhiana....claiming to be Sikh and trying to get people to follow him..he already has a huge following of Bhaiyes from UP that have emigrated to Punjab and they're fuckin shit up in punjab.....He's said numerous times the guru granth sahib is not necessary..he says he is the living guru...its not that he just makes these claims...its the fact that they get people to follow their lies because the uneducated population of Punjab sadly does not know any better

the bhaiyes started the riots and burned cars and shops and the Punjab Police did not do shit.....no police walls...no curfews no nothing.....then this Ashutosh baba fudu wants to do a parade to make a mockery of the Sikhs ...and the sikhs organized a peaceful protest.....Sant Ranjit Singh was sitting in front center of this shit man....they're were just trying to exercise their right to a peaceful protest.........

Harish Bedi..the BJP Mla( sorta like a congressman)....called badal and got him to send over an army of police to stop this peaceful march of a protest..Bedi's son..Honey bedi ordered the police to shoot at a crowd ...a crowd who was not looking for a fight...at a crowd looking to march peacefully..................now you tell me bro...if someone starts shooting at you when you're not doing anything...are you gonna stay quiet or fucking fight back...? the cops shot at the crowd..when the crowd was only marching..not looking to fight anyone....once they killed someone ...shit got real....and it was on...but theres only so much u can do when u bring a sword to a gunfight...................might i add..a few days earlier..when the bhaiyes were BURNING BUSES AND CARS and there was no curfew.....no army of police....no shooting at anyone

why you might ask did this happen when the sikh people decided to march...well its pretty fuckin simple...all these deras and different sects are put and funded by the indian government......simple as can be.....

these little deras and different sects are not different religions..they're formed to divide the people of punjab..to divide the sikhs.....as you know....divided we fall, united we stand..................its mass organized plan by the government of india or might i even say the gandhi family to erradicate the sikhs and erradicate punjab(half of which is already been done)......and if you or anyone thinks this statement is outrageous...look at the events of the last 20 years........just take a hard look man....whos been at the short end of every little thing...whos had their natural resources completely taken away..whos had theirs peoples killed off like sheep over and over and over......just take a hard look...its really very simple.....our people need to stand together and not worry about who is who and who is what...just stand together and say enough is enough already.................only if bhindrawale was still alive....

:49 and on.............watch it man..this is one of the leaders speaking to the media about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m2uY2RZ87M


sorry for the long post..but i just got back from work and read this.....and i just couldn't let you make the shootings and killings of my people into some fight of "ignorant, religious zealot masses".
Great post. The part I really loved is that you posted my uploaded video, thanks for making it popular.

Varun said:
Dude, I have been watching Indian news all my life. I have come to the conclusion that every protest, event, religious incitment- always has a political agenda behind it. The more blood that spills, the better it is for the politicians who are going to get what they want. Think for yourself, what spoils will this event bring? Maybe a greater loss for SAD-BJP in the next election?

Punjabis and Sikhs have it best my friend. You should see the livlihood of rural South Indian immigrants to Mumbai, Muslim refugees who come in from Bangladesh, Biharis, and the rural populations of people living in Naxalite terrirory in East/Central India. Oh and if "only bhindrawale was still alive," Punjab would be a Taliban theocracy where anything not sanctioned in the SGGS would be forbidden. People like me (with atheist, non-dogmatic views) would probably publicly executed. I liked the majority of your post but this conspiracy theory bull shit needs to go away.
Since you've been watching Indian news all your life, I would hope that you're not totally brainwashed. Indian news are not known for their credibility, especially in times of emergency, like 1984, when journalism was banned in Punjab. I believe in freedom of speech to some level, but I think you're crossing the line by comparing Bhindranwale to Taliban theocracy. Then again, your Indian news channels would've said the same thing. I would humbly ask that you listen to what Bhindranwale stood for.
 

Varun

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Checked out the link. A speech titled "Selfish Hindus" has no place on a site devoted to Kirtan and Gurbani.

Since I didn't find any evidence proving otherwise, I'll need you to clarify for me how Bhindranwale's Khalistan was not to be a theocracy.

Bhagat Singh was right: Thank God for Atheism.
 

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Varun said:
Checked out the link. A speech titled "Selfish Hindus" has no place on a site devoted to Kirtan and Gurbani.
I wouldn't be terribly upset if an Arya Samaj website had a speech that said "Selfish Sikhs" because of Akali agitation or something.
 

Sohaj

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Since when did waving unsheathed swords in air become integral part of a peaceful march??? Isn't saying that "Bhaiye have been fucking up Punjab" against what Nanak preached??? Also, since when did Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwala turn into such a pious man???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jocEc7ntoOc&feature=related

Varun said:
Bhagat Singh was right: Thank God for Atheism.
Amen (or whatever the atheist equivalent to Amen is)
 

Sohaj

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Turbo said:
1. Bhayiye fuckin up punjab was referring to those who continuously riot and fuck shit up in punjab and get full protection from the state and national government......not every single immigrant to punjab.......... do you know who started this whole thing..? who are the followers of these deras ?...and who came out of all this .yes those bhayiye that fuck shit up.........not every single one of them.......just the ones that have been causing ruckus over and over...and if you can't see how they have been fuckin shit up..then i dont know what else to say to you

2. waving unsheatehed swords is what happens when that is all you have to defend yourself......if you have police who are suppose to protect you shooting at you and trying to KILL YOU...you're going to wave whatever the fuck you have to defend yourself...

3. I couldn't give a rats ass about Dhadrianwala..the only reason i said he was there sitting in the front against the other baba dude was because Varun was somehow trying to imply that Dhadrianwala organized this protest and it's his plan to duke it out against that Ashutwhatever baba.........all i was doing was just stating the fact that he was just there..he's not the major player in this....the protest was by the Sikh community and not Dhadrianwala...he was just one of the people protesting.....lets not bring up his old shit (which i myself have problems with) to detract from the issue which is THE POLICE SHOOTING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE while the same police do nothing to those who burn buses and cars and riot and burn down shops..............

again..my issue is not with the Ashutokh baba or bhaiyeye people...all that information was for varun.............my issue is with the punjab police and the punjab government and the indian government who try to kill sikhs at every opportunity they can possibly get...
Turbo I hear what ur saying and looking back (especially over the last three decades) you could make a very compelling argument about Sikhs being killed by the government. At the end, as I am sure you are well aware of, its all politics. Akali and Congress both have there own voting blocks which exist within these sects and they both manipulate the masses to create tensions and to cut the influence of opposite groups. This all works because political leaders such as Badal have gotten extremely good at enticing people to do things that they would otherwise not do. They light up a small spark and the citizenry is out on the street ready to kill. My real fear is someone shooting the leader of these sects which will result in even more violence in Punjab. This will kill the local economy, worsen the farming crisis in Punjab by tenfold and will make the livelihood of Punjabis next to impossible (not North American Punjabis but real Punjabis...those who live in Punjab). If you think this is too far fetched just read this article:

http://www.sikhpress.com/story/731

We sit out here in the west and hear news about these so called "Sants" making mockery of Sikhism and the instinctive reaction is to act on it. We end up voicing our concerns and fuel the animosity towards the followers of these sects. Many families end up donating money and other things at local gurdwaras. That money gets channeled through to organization such as BKI and KLF who, if successful, are going to destroy Punjab as we know it. We need to find better ways to address these issues. To start of, everyone needs to calm down and realize that this is not a religious war; its a political one where religion is being used as a tool.
 

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But... the Punjab Police did contain, beat, and arrest the migrant workers who rioted earlier. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091205/ldh1.htm#1

So how can you say they are being discriminate against one group over another? The simple truth is that the migrant worker situation days earlier and the anti-Dera protest were both violating public/private property laws and public displays of aggression.
http://sify.com/news/One-killed-in-Sikhs-39-protest-in-Ludhiana-news-National-jmfp4cehgcd.html

It was a matter of law and order, not extermination of Sikhs or Bhaaiyes or whatever falana group. Its sad that there aren't better ways to dispel protests and riots. I wish no civilians (Sikh and non Sikh) would have been killed, but still, if you live in India and know how the system works, you should know better than to fuck with anti-Riot police.
 

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Wow, this is a heated disussion with some valid points and some extremely absurd points. First off, I just came from punjab literally like 48 hours ago, so I have somewhat of a feel on whats going on... So let me try to break it down, because i have talked this to death back home, I cant think about it anymore...

First and foremost, sikhs are not trying to be killed off. Its that mentality of the "world is against us" that leads to these gatherings that leads to death, thats leads to these issues being sensationalized. I mean you look at the most extreme discriminated against minorities in some countries, and even they dont think political manouverings are an attempt at their life. As a gursikh living in India, I cannot say that we are darlings of the country but nor am I ignorant enough to think that I have to watch over my shoulder everytime I walk out of my house.

I cannot go into the politics of this issue because Varun hit on it. It happens every year, and it will continue to happen. Why? Punjab is at a philosophical and generational cross-roads. I personally think that all of these "fake babay" as people are putting it are out this world, and extremely insulting... beyond words... But the problem with the "sikh protestors" as the media outlets are putting it, are not defending sikhi the dharam, they are fighting for their own mis-guided perception of their religious standing.

Do people not see that these events diverge attention from the governments failure to tackle the real issues that are going on in punjab? The government has failed in many fronts and have succeed in some too (the former is much more in numbers) but these riots that occur is a brilliant strategy to tap into our (sikhs) most faulty attribute as a people... our ego.

Its like yanking a string in front of a cat... The government diverges attention by capturing the people's attention with some false sense of emergency...and we continue to buy into it... they want us to think our religion is under attack, that our basic moral fibers are being question, that a religion that has gone through centuries of war, centuries of fighting, and much more dire problems than this, is being threatened by a couple of people who think they are decendents of our gurus..Are you kidding me? SOMEBODY READ A BOOK... Look at what we have gone through... Turbo, although I remember I liked you, some things you are saying is what people are insitutions like my university and other educated institutions shake their heads at... What you say, and how you are talking, is EXACTLY what will lead to our downfall... Its like rolling in the mud with the pigs.

You must realize, a "protest" in punjab is not a PROTEST. It is a gathering to incite. Its the two sides waiting for the other one to cross the line first, so they can start a war. The punjab government prays on the weak minded.

This does not mean I support complience. No. BUt the more we have people claiming each and every incident of these religious ongoings as the end of our religion, the more we are puppets...


I am getting sentiments from certain people in this thread that buy into that. Sikhs are like "blacks". I cannot begin to even describe how offensive that is to blacks, and sikhs. How much of an ignorant statement that is, and how that means that ignorance that we accuse the other party of having, maybe more prevelent in us. A sikh in India= a black in america ?
The though process of black = minority, sikhs = minority, therefore black = sikh, is one of the reasons I hate to have this conversation with the beverly hills sikhs... They degrade us, and our struggle at the same time shitting on someone elses struggles... I just hear it....LIKE OMG WE ARE LIKE ALWAYS BEING HATED ON... I MEAN WTF WHATS WITH THE HATERADE YALL...

I wont even go into blacks vs sikhs issue

In conclusion,

The more we chase... the more we are ready to claim our religion is at its death bed, the more we want to think we are prosecuted in every manner, the more we want to live the life of a victim... the more we do what they want us to do...

P.S... Turbo,only if Bhindranwale was alive... Your family may not be...


What do we want to be the victim, the puppet or are we above all this? Do we want to continue to fight aginst the invisible enemy, are we going to continue get distracted by our ego, or are we going to try to go after the real issues?


Crossroads.


Sorry for this being my first point, I can assure you I am not as argumentative as I use to be, and I Care a lot less, just I want to know what we are feeling in punjab, not the sensationalized media accounts, or the over-zealous diaspora

Basically... In a couple of words... We are better than this.
 

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Summy said:
Wow, this is a heated disussion with some valid points and some extremely absurd points. First off, I just came from punjab literally like 48 hours ago, so I have somewhat of a feel on whats going on... So let me try to break it down, because i have talked this to death back home, I cant think about it anymore...

First and foremost, sikhs are not trying to be killed off. Its that mentality of the "world is against us" that leads to these gatherings that leads to death, thats leads to these issues being sensationalized. I mean you look at the most extreme discriminated against minorities in some countries, and even they dont think political manouverings are an attempt at their life. As a gursikh living in India, I cannot say that we are darlings of the country but nor am I ignorant enough to think that I have to watch over my shoulder everytime I walk out of my house.

I cannot go into the politics of this issue because Varun hit on it. It happens every year, and it will continue to happen. Why? Punjab is at a philosophical and generational cross-roads. I personally think that all of these "fake babay" as people are putting it are out this world, and extremely insulting... beyond words... But the problem with the "sikh protestors" as the media outlets are putting it, are not defending sikhi the dharam, they are fighting for their own mis-guided perception of their religious standing.

Do people not see that these events diverge attention from the governments failure to tackle the real issues that are going on in punjab? The government has failed in many fronts and have succeed in some too (the former is much more in numbers) but these riots that occur is a brilliant strategy to tap into our (sikhs) most faulty attribute as a people... our ego.

Its like yanking a string in front of a cat... The government diverges attention by capturing the people's attention with some false sense of emergency...and we continue to buy into it... they want us to think our religion is under attack, that our basic moral fibers are being question, that a religion that has gone through centuries of war, centuries of fighting, and much more dire problems than this, is being threatened by a couple of people who think they are decendents of our gurus..Are you kidding me? SOMEBODY READ A BOOK... Look at what we have gone through... Turbo, although I remember I liked you, some things you are saying is what people are insitutions like my university and other educated institutions shake their heads at... What you say, and how you are talking, is EXACTLY what will lead to our downfall... Its like rolling in the mud with the pigs.

You must realize, a "protest" in punjab is not a PROTEST. It is a gathering to incite. Its the two sides waiting for the other one to cross the line first, so they can start a war. The punjab government prays on the weak minded.

This does not mean I support complience. No. BUt the more we have people claiming each and every incident of these religious ongoings as the end of our religion, the more we are puppets...


I am getting sentiments from certain people in this thread that buy into that. Sikhs are like "blacks". I cannot begin to even describe how offensive that is to blacks, and sikhs. How much of an ignorant statement that is, and how that means that ignorance that we accuse the other party of having, maybe more prevelent in us. A sikh in India= a black in america ?
The though process of black = minority, sikhs = minority, therefore black = sikh, is one of the reasons I hate to have this conversation with the beverly hills sikhs... They degrade us, and our struggle at the same time shitting on someone elses struggles... I just hear it....LIKE OMG WE ARE LIKE ALWAYS BEING HATED ON... I MEAN WTF WHATS WITH THE HATERADE YALL...

I wont even go into blacks vs sikhs issue

In conclusion,

The more we chase... the more we are ready to claim our religion is at its death bed, the more we want to think we are prosecuted in every manner, the more we want to live the life of a victim... the more we do what they want us to do...

P.S... Turbo,only if Bhindranwale was alive... Your family may not be...


What do we want to be the victim, the puppet or are we above all this? Do we want to continue to fight aginst the invisible enemy, are we going to continue get distracted by our ego, or are we going to try to go after the real issues?


Crossroads.


Sorry for this being my first point, I can assure you I am not as argumentative as I use to be, and I Care a lot less, just I want to know what we are feeling in punjab, not the sensationalized media accounts, or the over-zealous diaspora

Basically... In a couple of words... We are better than this.
Truth. Sikhi has far more issues than fake Babay and this stuff is diverting it from what really matters. If our community and leaders cared about female infanticide, domestic violence, drug/alchohol use as much as stopping these Babay who bait us into starting riots/rebellions our, community would be in much better shape.

And Raji, the comparison to African Americans is ridiculous. You either have no knowledge of African American history or Sikh history in India.
 

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unfortunately i find ppl of india very stupid.... when there is some cricket match... they will pray to d cricketer as he is God.... and when the cricketer fails to deliver chauke chakke.... those very same ppl go to d streets n burn the cricketer's picutre... or even go to the extent of burning their houses.......

same stupidity in following all dese deras... lol dis baba ashutosh looks like a pure villain by his face..

india has riots over anything... n they start burning wtever.... yet no civilian gets any protection... but mind you India's is world's biggest democracy LOL
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50bsV6Tjww&feature=related

talks about ashutosh's involvement with various women...
 

Varun

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Summy said:
LIKE OMG WE ARE LIKE ALWAYS BEING HATED ON... I MEAN WTF WHATS WITH THE HATERADE YALL...
Summy sir, you have said some memorable things on this forum but that by far takes the cake, lool.
 
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