Varun, you seem to be under the impression that we are having a debate about whether pakistan has had good leadership, or if it has a rocky history, i don't know from where such an "intellectually inclined adult" would draw an inference like that. I don't need to read some paper you wrote for your college class. Please don't attempt to educate me on South-Asia. Thanks.
Was it a slight at pakistan? i mean, i did the exact same thing you did: criticize the government of a South Asian country. And calling someone a "ruthless leader" doesn't really translate into love now does it?
Yes, it was a slight against Pakistan. I did not criticize the government of a south asian country. I did not call her a "ruthless leader," I called her a shitty leader, INDIRA GANDHI was a shitty leader, i did not say anything as to her government as you have fabricated. Bush was a shitty leader, that is not a comment on his government, do you see the simple difference? So you are wrong in that point.
You, my friend, need to realize that there is not a white-black way to look at the world. When you are nationalistic, that is the only time you can love or hate governments and leaders. If you understand things in a historically methodological way, however, then you see that there are no simple dichotomies : GOOD and EVIL. I apply the same critique to Gandhi that I apply to Zia as I apply to Ronald Reagan as I do to Obama. I note their wrong policies and their practical ones.
I understand that there is a gray area in everything, and more people who have attended college do as well, it is not some kind of magical concept you gain by writing a research paper in college. I did not ever mention good and evil, i don't know where you got that one either. I said she was a shitty leader, did she have her positives? probably. Go look up what a leader is, and then come back to me and tell me if a woman charged with voting malpractice, arresting most of the opposition during the emergency, granting police draconian powers to arrest anyone, granting yourself dictator-like powers, implementing a forced sterilization program, and oh yea, i don't even have to mention her custodial role over the slaughter of Sikhs...if you think that is a good leader, cool...but to me, and probably most other, what was the term, ah yea, "intellectually inclined adults," that is a shitty leader. Just because she had some quotables, does not make her gandhi, and it does not make her a good leader...(also, we're not friends, i don't even know you kiddo)
Living in over-simplified world will just make you ignorant, man. Look how easily you oversimplfied my own statement into a judgement on my political beliefs and bias, and that you took it as an attack. Please man, no need for such mud slinging amongst intellectually inclined adults.
i don't live in an over-simplified world, far from it. Due to your negligent reading skills (i only wrote 6 words), i think it's you who looks simple.
And back to my original statement: Pakistan as a government and a state is in a crisis and has been since its creation (from national unity issues, undermining minority ethincity, coups, dubious "plane crashes" of leaders, rampant economic corruption, suspension of judiciary, and most recently, harboring terrorist cells). If you do not believe this or disagree, we can talk over PM. I wrote research on Pak and Bangladesh for my South Asian studies class and would like to share it with you.
You assumed that I did not agree with your statement about Pakistan, I do. So there goes that argument. Thanks for the historical refresher.
Varun, learn to read, stop making assumptions, and learn to understand who you are speaking with.
Please, continue this fantasy argument with me in your own head where your aggressiveness doesn't make you seem like such a rash fool.
