Need for new judges?

[Bajwa99]

Wanted to see what y'alls thoughts were since recently the scene is moving towards more "Folk" sets. Is there a need for new judges that have a better understanding of "Folk" Bhangra?

 

[BhangraSUCKS]

What about my idea where btf makes a phone app and we can let the audience vote at the end of the competition

Or pick 6 people 65 or older from the audience and let them chose. No other person will understand what folk is better than a 65 year old. Trust me

 

[Harpreet Singh gill]

Wanted to see what y'alls thoughts were since recently the scene is moving towards more "Folk" sets. Is there a need for new judges that have a better understanding of "Folk" Bhangra?

Yes one judge is in Surrey bc his name is harman ,he was Bhangra coach of Punjabi university patiala Many years and judged many competition ,he have Bhangra acedamy in Surrey bc ,he is up to date ,second judge is in Edmenton Alberta ,his name Gursewak Sidhu

 

[hardeep_singh]

AVTAR CHANA ZINDABAAD!!! WORLD BHANGRA JUDGE!!!

 

[Varan Rakhra]

More so finding more qualified folk judges, you need judges that know how to stick with the rubric. Of course your judges should know all elements of Folk bhangra, etc ( I don't need to go on and on about that) but more so man I really think we lack judges that will actually follow comp rubrics to the Tee. Additionally imo to set a more trend towards actually doing bhangra than I dunno presenting stories on stage or whatever, comps need to pay more attention to there rubrics and completely portray what kind of comp they entering. Too many comps have this basic rubric that can go both ways.. I give it up to Bruin and 6ix that completely portray what they are looking for in there comp for all teams.

 

[desi99]

Wanted to see what y'alls thoughts were since recently the scene is moving towards more "Folk" sets. Is there a need for new judges that have a better understanding of "Folk" Bhangra?

The circuit has been trying to define what "folk" bhangra is, since 2004.
At the end of it all, Judges and Dancers are the only two groups lets say, that are responsible for shaping the circuit...and what each team outputs in the circuit...this has always remained the same.

 

[Bajwa99]

More so finding more qualified folk judges, you need judges that know how to stick with the rubric. Of course your judges should know all elements of Folk bhangra, etc ( I don't need to go on and on about that) but more so man I really think we lack judges that will actually follow comp rubrics to the Tee. Additionally imo to set a more trend towards actually doing bhangra than I dunno presenting stories on stage or whatever, comps need to pay more attention to there rubrics and completely portray what kind of comp they entering. Too many comps have this basic rubric that can go both ways.. I give it up to Bruin and 6ix that completely portray what they are looking for in there comp for all teams.

Definitely agree with you bro. A big problem is that committees give rubrics out to teams to show how the comp will be judged and teams try to make their sets by following the rubric. But if the judges don't fully judge based on the rubric then whats the point of a rubric lol.

 

[Bajwa99]

Teams who have competed over the past 6-12 months please name some judges you think are very well fit to be judging at comps.

Two judges I think that should be judging more comps are :

Hardeep Sahota

Lavesh Pritmani

 

[desi99]

Definitely agree with you bro. A big problem is that committees give rubrics out to teams to show how the comp will be judged and teams try to make their sets by following the rubric. But if the judges don't fully judge based on the rubric then whats the point of a rubric lol.

I think if you create One Standard Rubric that every single competition in North America follows, and that is included with every registration package.
It will definitely, stabilize the circuit in no time.
But, Regardless of the who is judging, Even if you go back a year ago, or even 10 years back,
we already know that again and again, teams that have fully executed their Bhangra and executed their Creativity, are usually the winners, at every competition.
Practice smart, Master your set before a competition, stop figuring out what the next big thing is and what will break barriers.. that is all pointless when you do not know how to execute it in the first place.
If you are already a mediocre dancer, there's no need to over-intellectualize the judging and set making process for teams. Just execute and you will Win.

 

[KushK]

Teams who have competed over the past 6-12 months please name some judges you think are very well fit to be judging at comps.

Two judges I think that should be judging more comps are :

Hardeep Sahota

Lavesh Pritmani

Cherag Selhi
Reeda Saleem
Kinnell Shah
ASG
Gurpreet Dhaliwal
Dilbagh Nagi
Sandeep Singh
Ashita Stephen
Danny Singh
Taranjot Kahlon
Howie Magaro
Sid Pandit
Ram M.
Kuntal Shah
Harkiran Kaur
Varan Rakhra
Gurteg Singh
Harry Kainth
Jason Kataria
SRK
Karthik S.
Komil D.
GSIMZ

I mean these are a few I whipped up in like 1 min... No reason comps should be getting people who have no credibility on the circuit. If you have not been involved in a memorable set or helped create one, I just don't think you are qualified

 

[Bajwa99]

Cherag Selhi
Reeda Saleem
Kinnell Shah
ASG
Gurpreet Dhaliwal
Dilbagh Nagi
Sandeep Singh
Ashita Stephen
Danny Singh
Taranjot Kahlon
Howie Magaro
Sid Pandit
Ram M.
Kuntal Shah
Harkiran Kaur
Varan Rakhra
Gurteg Singh
Harry Kainth
Jason Kataria
SRK
Karthik S.
Komil D.
GSIMZ

I mean these are a few I whipped up in like 1 min... No reason comps should be getting people who have no credibility on the circuit. If you have not been involved in a memorable set or helped create one, I just don't think you are qualified

Definitely agree with some of names u listed above. But just because one has been part of a memorable set or helped create one that does not mean they are qualified to be judging a competition.

 

[KushK]

Definitely agree with some of names u listed above. But just because one has been part of a memorable set or helped create one that does not mean they are qualified to be judging a competition.

More qualified than some of the clowns judging now...

 

[sahab]

More qualified than some of the clowns judging now...

NO WAY...THERE ARE ACTUAL CLOWNS WHO ARE BHANGRA JUDGES!!!!

 

[scaplash]

I think there's something to be said about the dichotomy between experience in the circuit and judging. Good judges obviously have experience, but more importantly (debatable), they have an ability to break down a set and communicate effectively to a team strengths and weaknesses. I personally feel it can be frustrating when there is a judge that is truly very highly experienced, but in the realm of judging lacks a capacity to really communicate and analyze a team's performance.
I guess it depends on what we expect from judges, to simply be able to tell which team is better than another (more experienced dancers can be effective here; more experience = better judgement?) or do we expect judges to push teams to grow (this is where analysis and communication come into play)

 

[desi99]

I think there's something to be said about the dichotomy between experience in the circuit and judging. Good judges obviously have experience, but more importantly (debatable), they have an ability to break down a set and communicate effectively to a team strengths and weaknesses. I personally feel it can be frustrating when there is a judge that is truly very highly experienced, but in the realm of judging lacks a capacity to really communicate and analyze a team's performance.
I guess it depends on what we expect from judges, to simply be able to tell which team is better than another (more experienced dancers can be effective here; more experience = better judgement?) or do we expect judges to push teams to grow (this is where analysis and communication come into play)

Think practically buddy, a judge gets only one chance to see a team perform at a competition,
and they base their results on that one time, they saw you perform...What exactly is a Highly experienced judge, and what is a "good Judge"
can you further explain that?

The judge can analyze your Creativity, choreo, some original new ideas, segments used, gimmicks, your mix. You can analyze as much as they want during that one time they see you perform, that is what critics do. In reality, a judge cannot pick up on everything and remember what exactly, every team did that day unless they rewatch it.

Therefore the whole other side of judging is the, This is what makes teams win
Execution aspect: Smiling, Nakhra, Recovery, Timing, Balance, Clean footwork, stamina, having fun on stage, high Energy levels, Grace in your moves, Confidence,
posture, smooth transitions, awareness of joris, conditioned dancers...

Edit: Every competition is different, and the levels of talent are also different...
A judge should always make sure, the team knows where they can improve and what makes them better dancers. They are not supposed to be critics.
Everyone in Bhangra, has been influenced in different ways, there is a generation of dancers who have been influenced and guided by Ustaads/Instructors that danced in Punjab, and there is a generation of dancers who have been influenced by GTV and youtube... Find the Balance, end of story.

Edit: I always prefer to compete, because dancers have it easy. They only thing they need to do is have fun on stage. Judging requires a high level of responsibility, since a lot of teams who actually want to win competitions rely on their feedback, for their team's success and development.

 

[scaplash]

Think practically buddy, a judge gets only one chance to see a team perform at a competition,
and they base their results on that one time, they saw you perform...What exactly is a Highly experienced judge, and what is a "good Judge"
can you further explain that?

The judge can analyze your Creativity, choreo, some original new ideas, segments used, gimmicks, your mix. You can analyze as much as they want during that one time they see you perform, that is what critics do. In reality, a judge cannot pick up on everything and remember what exactly, every team did that day unless they rewatch it.

Therefore the whole other side of judging is the,
Execution aspect: Smiling, Nakhra, Recovery, Timing, Balance, Clean footwork, stamina, having fun on stage, high Energy levels, Grace in your moves, Confidence,
posture, smooth transitions, awareness of joris, conditioned dancers...

Every competition is different, and the levels of talent are also different...
A judge should always make sure, the team knows where they can improve and what makes them better dancers. They are not supposed to be critics.
Everyone in Bhangra, has been influenced in different ways, there is a generation of dancers who have been influenced by nothing but Teams in Punjab, and there are a generation of dancers who have been influenced by GTV and youtube... Find the Balance, end of story.

Edit: I always prefer to compete, because dancers have it easy. They only thing they need to do is have fun on stage. Judging requires a high level of responsibility, since a lot of teams who actually want to win competitions rely on their feedback, for their team's success and development.

I think we are on the same page-what I mean to say is that being a good judge and being an experienced dancer/or making a memorable set aren't always mutually inclusive and that, like you said, finding a balance is key. Experience dancing in the circuit/seeing performances certainly does make it easier to look at a performance and judge it. However, recognizing a good performance is one thing, but going beyond to delineate what components made it a good performance (outside of saying non-specific stuff like hype gimmicks or clean or energetic) takes a slightly different toolset.

There is a lot of talk here (not just by @desi99 , but on a bunch of diff threads) about a generation of people who "only watch GTV vids" and have therefore shaped the circuit in a particular way or judge in a particular way-I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, but I want to know what exactly people mean by that

 

[UmerQureshi96]

I don't give a damn if my judge knows what folk Bhangra is. Who the hell knows what folk Bhangra is anyways. Your folk Bhangra is not your paaji from the pind's folk bhangra which is not ustaad ji's folk bhangra which is also not Janet from accounting's folk Bhangra. I just want a judge that can stick to a rubric not only when counting points, but ALSO in deliberation. Stick to a rubric and very clearly explain why the team lost based on the RUBRIC. Judges saying they don't strictly follow rubrics just blow my mind. Experience is fine and all, but if you can't clearly justify a placing with a comment more specific than "well it didn't feel as good" or "It just didn't have impact" and then not actually explain wtf impact is, then you're not qualified to judge. You're picked to judge for a reason, not to tell the team your feelings, but to tell the team specifically why they lost based upon a predetermined rubric.

 

[desi99]

I don't give a damn if my judge knows what folk Bhangra is. Who the hell knows what folk Bhangra is anyways. Your folk Bhangra is not your paaji from the pind's folk bhangra which is not ustaad ji's folk bhangra which is also not Janet from accounting's folk Bhangra. I just want a judge that can stick to a rubric not only when counting points, but ALSO in deliberation. Stick to a rubric and very clearly explain why the team lost based on the RUBRIC. Judges saying they don't strictly follow rubrics just blow my mind. Experience is fine and all, but if you can't clearly justify a placing with a comment more specific than "well it didn't feel as good" or "It just didn't have impact" and then not actually explain wtf impact is, then you're not qualified to judge. You're picked to judge for a reason, not to tell the team your feelings, but to tell the team specifically why they lost based upon a predetermined rubric.

Everyone in the bhangra circuit has their own self-created meaning or paradigm of what "folk bhangra" is. That will never change. Back in the days Live sets were considered "folk",
in 2017 people think Simple/Good Execution is "Folk", if that is the case then, you might as well call Bhangra Empire folk too..
You can find 10 page long threads on this forum, of people debating about this stupid topic...makes my eyes bleed every time someone tries to define what "folk bhangra" should look like, and trying to define it. This FOLK Bhangra topic is like a virus that outbreaks every year, and goes away..then happens all over again...in 2017, I think its safe to say, everyone is allowed to have their own meaning of what "folk bhangra" is.

When it comes to judging and sticking to a rubric and judging based on that rubric, that is the only thing the judge is there for...this has always been the case, since DAY 1...If judges are giving their bullshit opinions to a team about what "Bhangra" is supposed to "look" like, then get rid of that Judge...For teams competing at a "bhangra competition", Fully Execute according to the rubric, and you will win..That's probably the simplest formula to win...