Northern America Vs United Kingdom

[Jas13]

hey all,

reading youtube comments, BTF discussion pages etc. has made me wonder, is the drilling of uk bhangra justified? what if there was a one off or annual comp, where the best from US fairs against Canada and also UK. kind of like elite 8, but involving us in the UK and keeping it traditional ie. no cd, just live musicians.

Im interested to know what u guys would think. hit me back!

JS Poonian

 

[Tuckerrrr]

hey all,

reading youtube comments, BTF discussion pages etc. has made me wonder, is the drilling of uk bhangra justified? what if there was a one off or annual comp, where the best from US fairs against Canada and also UK. kind of like elite 8, but involving us in the UK and keeping it traditional ie. no cd, just live musicians.

Im interested to know what u guys would think. hit me back!

JS Poonian

Sorry man, but North America would kill UK even w/ just traditional live teams. UK has semi-traditional teams like Nachda Sansar & 4x4 (use live boliyan but don't execute Bhangra as they do in Punjab), and then traditional teams like Gabroo Punjab Deh, LPD. North America has teams like Rooh Punjab Dee, Nachdi Jawani, Heeray Punjab Deh, and many more. They are light years ahead of the UK teams. In my opinion, the closest comparison would be Gabroo Punjab Deh, but tbh I haven't seen them do a performance that's full of energy or very well executed.

 

[Jas13]

fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. i wouldnt put LPD in that category tho, they havnt got the execution yet. give it a few years and lets hope us uk teams have a few competitions to work towards. Thanks for your time mate!

 

[faysal]

I'd have to agree with Shawn on this one Jas (yea I know I'm letting the side down lol) but I think especially when it comes to live performances we're way behind. I think it'd be good if someone in the uk organised a competition that was strictly live, that way it would push teams to learn actual bhangra rather than the made up stuff we see a lot of the time over here. As for GPD etc I think some of them used to dance on punjab teams but they're all pretty old now like even older than sulman lol.

p.s. personally I'd be terrified to compete with the very people i learned from...just yet give it a few years as was stated before and then maybe pritpal will come and destroy everyone hahaha

 

[-Dav-]

Hey, i'm afraid i have to agree with Faysal...we got ages yet in the UK before we can be considered on the same scale as NA teams...it seems in the UK we just haven't got it right in terms of execution and originality let alone the actual dancing lol If you watch teams like Khalsa College, DAV college and Shivchand (sickest hype) their bhangra is just amazing!!!!! and NA teams are on par in terms of execution except they bring their own style to it which just kills it even more!!!
I'm sure the UK will have teams like that in couple of years, we have to remember Bhangra dancing has only recently attracted so much attention so hopefully more and more youngsters will want to dance more and hopefully we should have more teams soon...
I'm not knocking any of the teams in the UK coz im part of one myself just saying we got quite a way to go..HOWEVER it is really good to see that bhangra is getting more popular and more people want to learn etc so big up all the UK teams ;D

 

[Tuckerrrr]

I'm not knocking any of the teams in the UK coz im part of one myself just saying we got quite a way to go..HOWEVER it is really good to see that bhangra is getting more popular and more people want to learn etc so big up all the UK teams ;D

true that bro, good to see the uk finally getting into it! it hasn't been that long since north america has been at this level of bhangra. in 2004 nachda sansar won pcs in chicago. if u see the difference in the north american teams from 2004 to 2010 (even from 2006 to 2010) its amazing. hopefully we see a similar (r)evolution over the next few years in uk bhangra

 

[sulmoney]

but they're all pretty old now like even older than sulman lol.

saleem, wheres the banhammer?

 

[avtarchana]

Well.. we are going to organise 'World Bhangra Championship' at Chandigarh this year and please let me know how many teams are interested / ready to patcipate ??

It would be in held in November/December, 2010 and teams will get the opportunity to see almost all the tourist spots here, including Chandigarh, Pinjore, Shimla, Chail. Golden Temple Amritsar, Khalsa Heritage Complex at Anandpur Sahib. Nangal Dam and many many more..

In wait of your response, please.

-AC/Chd.
avtarchana@hotmail.com
danceworld_india@hotmail.com
starworld_india@hotmail.com

 

[AnkurK]

but they're all pretty old now like even older than sulman lol.

saleem, wheres the banhammer?

WHAT THE HELL MAN
THIS IS RIDICULOUS HOW ARE YOU GONNA LET SOMEONE SAY "OLDER THAN SULMAN"
JUST FACKED UP

 

[abhigames]

i spent a semester at the university of manchester, and while competitive bhangra is just picking up in the UK, there are a few issues. one, is that a lot of Indian kids in the UK, especially punjabis, think they have a good grasp of what their culture is and what bhangra is, etc. When in fact, they need to let go of that ol chip on their shoulder and try to relearn what traditional bhangra is. Otherwise they will keep doing the same old poppy stuff. A lot of is organizational issues as well. There are a lot of talented musicians like dholis and tumbi players etc...but just getting a group together can be tough since theres not as many competitions, not as much incentive, etc. I think the collegiate scene will erupt soon enough because of the competitive nature that comes with many of the colleges anyways due to football and other sports.

 

[faysal]

ahh crap maybe i should've stuck to my recent silent period lol my apologies sulman. Abhi makes a very valid point about what people think they know about bhangra, I never really knew anything so I learned everything I do know from youtube etc or being taught by friends made via btf. However, I have met some people who have a bit of a superiority complex when it comes to bhangra over here and it isn't healthy, it leads to discrimination and people aren't willing to share ideas, try new things or take advice from others and until the time comes that people can swallow their pride and admit they don't know everything there is to know already,only then will we see improvement over here.

 

[-Dav-]

couldn't agree more!!!

 

[yraparla]

Faysal I got you

 

[sulmoney]

Just playin faysal

 

[ameetkhabra]

Well.. we are going to organise 'World Bhangra Championship' at Chandigarh this year and please let me know how many teams are interested / ready to patcipate ??

It would be in held in November/December, 2010 and teams will get the opportunity to see almost all the tourist spots here, including Chandigarh, Pinjore, Shimla, Chail. Golden Temple Amritsar, Khalsa Heritage Complex at Anandpur Sahib. Nangal Dam and many many more..

In wait of your response, please.

-AC/Chd.
avtarchana@hotmail.com
danceworld_india@hotmail.com
starworld_india@hotmail.com

Will this be a kind of "Best of the Best" kind of competition ?

If so, under what criteria are you using to determine which team is better from the others

 

[nick_jatt]

Hey, i'm afraid i have to agree with Faysal...we got ages yet in the UK before we can be considered on the same scale as NA teams...it seems in the UK we just haven't got it right in terms of execution and originality let alone the actual dancing lol

Gotta agree... i think the UK is still developing and there is change occurring. Mainly i think the UK needs to focus on originality. I think the UK has a lot of talent and ability BUT need to ensure that routines are original and unique. Hopefully in the near future there will be some good bhangra teams from the UK to compete against NA teams.

 

[faysal]

hopefully the improvement period will be much faster as there is a lot more information available now, especially since there's a video for everything you'll ever need to know about bhangra, so hopefully it won't take as many years for teams here to get to a similar standard. It's more about the attitude people take about their own knowledge than the dancing itself.

 

[avtarchana]

As stated above, this would be a competition of two days, one day for the foreign teams and the other day for the Indian /Punjab teams, as in Punjab almost all the teams use dhol players, Tumbi wala, Bugdhu Wala, Algoze wala etc and teams from the North America/ England mostly use CDs and it becomes difficult to compete them.

What I feel, one day is for the Punjab teams and foreign teams will see their performance and the other day is meant for the foreigners and Punjabis will see their amazing acts.

I am checking the sponsors, who can fund us and try to give you one side airfare and about food, accommodation and sight-seeing, would be free.

Lets hope for the best and you are requested to stay-in-touch, to make the event a GREAT SUCCESS !!

Thanks and in wait of your reply, please..

-AC/Chd.

 

[ameetkhabra]

As stated above, this would be a competition of two days, one day for the foreign teams and the other day for the Indian /Punjab teams, as in Punjab almost all the teams use dhol players, Tumbi wala, Bugdhu Wala, Algoze wala etc and teams from the North America/ England mostly use CDs and it becomes difficult to compete them.

What I feel, one day is for the Punjab teams and foreign teams will see their performance and the other day is meant for the foreigners and Punjabis will see their amazing acts.

I am checking the sponsors, who can fund us and try to give you one side airfare and about food, accommodation and sight-seeing, would be free.

Lets hope for the best and you are requested to stay-in-touch, to make the event a GREAT SUCCESS !!

Thanks and in wait of your reply, please..

-AC/Chd.

How is this a World Bhangra Competition if all teams from around the world are not competing against each other.

 

[faysal]

i think you guys should maybe move this convo to the thread AC started, this has nothing to do with uk vs usa anymore lol