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Olympics: A strong history of the politicalization of Sports

Summy

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Just some food for thought, as I watched the games... We all heard about the story of the Georgia and Russian woman's volleyball game that gave light to the on-going situation in that votile place in the world. I was sent a little peice they showed on TV about the Olympics and Politics... made me think, can the two be separated?

The most inspiriational story people use is the Jesse Owens story. In 1936, during the Nazi regime, Owens was able to win FOUR medals in the summer games, something that captured the world's attention. People looked at the political ramifications of this in Hitler's eyes. He was the one spreading the Aryan race ideology, depeicting blacks as inferior in every manner. So to win four medals in the games in which Hitler would only shake hands of the German victors, was groundbreaking and inspiriational to say the least. The inspirational story of Dr. Long a fellow high jumper and German who even though leading in the long jump, gave advice to Jesse Owens that would eventually led Jesse to the gold medal. They walked hand in hand with hitler in attendence, one of the most inspirational defiant acts in history... INSPIRATIONAL RIGHT?!?!?...........

However, was it WRONGLY POLITICALIZED? The western media until till day, claims how Owens broke so many barriers. He walked the streets of German and Berlin shaking people's hands, and even though these people are subject to great amounts of propaganda, they were able to shake the hand and ask for autographs. Owens was able to stay in hotels that were granted to whites only, and ate from restaurants that seemingly again, were dedicated only to whites..

Did people realize that Jesse Owens, and any other black man could not enjoy that right in their home country at this time? Does anyone remember that according to Jesse Owens, HITLER, YES ADOLF HITLER, smiled and waved to him after a medal win, when the President Rooesevelt and Truman wouldnt even acknowledge his inspiritional wins? HE was treated better in a nation that would kill millions of innocents because of their religion and colour, however at home, the country he represented treated him as if he didnt exist...


Then we move on to the Blood in the Pool game, the famous Water Polo game with the USSR and Hungary. Prior to the games of 1956, Hungary planned an ill fated revolt against the USSR. The USSR would end up sending hundreds of thousands of solidiers to secure the area, that cause choas and complete control of Hungary. So when the two teams met in the Water Polo olympic games, it was bound to get ugly...

The game was played only in name, but the vent became more than a game, rather an opeertunity for paybacl. Hungarian players would punch, kick, strangle and beat up the USSR as numerous fights in the pool broke out. A hungarian player sucker punched a USSR player from behind leading to stitches and a red pool of water...


What are the morals to these stories:


As I read the other thread about China's "shadyness" we have to remember, it is an opeertunity for every country to send a message. So is what China is doing in the games right now any worst then what other countries have done? Human rights allegations aside, and if we focus JUST on the games, silencing of the media, these are things that come with political undertones.

The USA in Salt Lake city 2002 raised a flag of the twin towers. Political sentiments are numerous there. Imagine if you dont support foriegn american policies, and that your family was murdered and killed by the hands of these americans?

The Soviet Boycotts of the 80's?

The olympic committee making the East and West germans sides join together to play together in the games?

The black power salute in Mexico City?



The games are not apolitical. The games are very political events. What China is doing is merely continuing their policy of strong, decieveness to the olympic games. If we, as Canadians and Americans adhere to their values in everyday life, as we trade, benefit from their products, and imports, then there is no way we can be critical of their politics at home. This is distinct issue from their politics abroad like in Darfur etc... If we accept the games are political, and our everyday lives, we accept Chinese political tactics, how can we possibly be upset at how they conduct themselves infront of the world?


The west has politicalized the events just as much as the Chinese have...
 

Vick

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Not sure how using 10 year girls in gymnastics is politicising the olympics? Thats just straight up cheating and should be punished the same way dopers are...
 

dheerja

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Vick said:
Not sure how using 10 year girls in gymnastics is politicising the olympics? Thats just straight up cheating and should be punished the same way dopers are...
Agreed. There's a difference between plain cheating and global politics. Right now people are criticizing China for using underage gymnasts, lipsynching during the opening ceremonies, faking fireworks, etc.

Just a note: raising a flag of the twin towers is a sign of respect to those who died during the events of 9/11. I really don't think you can equate that to the black power salute in Mexico City or some of the other things you listed.
 

Jeeti

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Summy said:
Just some food for thought, as I watched the games... We all heard about the story of the Georgia and Russian woman's volleyball game that gave light to the on-going situation in that votile place in the world. I was sent a little peice they showed on TV about the Olympics and Politics... made me think, can the two be separated?

The most inspiriational story people use is the Jesse Owens story. In 1936, during the Nazi regime, Owens was able to win FOUR medals in the summer games, something that captured the world's attention. People looked at the political ramifications of this in Hitler's eyes. He was the one spreading the Aryan race ideology, depeicting blacks as inferior in every manner. So to win four medals in the games in which Hitler would only shake hands of the German victors, was groundbreaking and inspiriational to say the least. The inspirational story of Dr. Long a fellow high jumper and German who even though leading in the long jump, gave advice to Jesse Owens that would eventually led Jesse to the gold medal. They walked hand in hand with hitler in attendence, one of the most inspirational defiant acts in history... INSPIRATIONAL RIGHT?!?!?...........

However, was it WRONGLY POLITICALIZED? The western media until till day, claims how Owens broke so many barriers. He walked the streets of German and Berlin shaking people's hands, and even though these people are subject to great amounts of propaganda, they were able to shake the hand and ask for autographs. Owens was able to stay in hotels that were granted to whites only, and ate from restaurants that seemingly again, were dedicated only to whites..

Did people realize that Jesse Owens, and any other black man could not enjoy that right in their home country at this time? Does anyone remember that according to Jesse Owens, HITLER, YES ADOLF HITLER, smiled and waved to him after a medal win, when the President Rooesevelt and Truman wouldnt even acknowledge his inspiritional wins? HE was treated better in a nation that would kill millions of innocents because of their religion and colour, however at home, the country he represented treated him as if he didnt exist...


Then we move on to the Blood in the Pool game, the famous Water Polo game with the USSR and Hungary. Prior to the games of 1956, Hungary planned an ill fated revolt against the USSR. The USSR would end up sending hundreds of thousands of solidiers to secure the area, that cause choas and complete control of Hungary. So when the two teams met in the Water Polo olympic games, it was bound to get ugly...

The game was played only in name, but the vent became more than a game, rather an opeertunity for paybacl. Hungarian players would punch, kick, strangle and beat up the USSR as numerous fights in the pool broke out. A hungarian player sucker punched a USSR player from behind leading to stitches and a red pool of water...


What are the morals to these stories:


As I read the other thread about China's "shadyness" we have to remember, it is an opeertunity for every country to send a message. So is what China is doing in the games right now any worst then what other countries have done? Human rights allegations aside, and if we focus JUST on the games, silencing of the media, these are things that come with political undertones.

The USA in Salt Lake city 2002 raised a flag of the twin towers. Political sentiments are numerous there. Imagine if you dont support foriegn american policies, and that your family was murdered and killed by the hands of these americans?

The Soviet Boycotts of the 80's?

The olympic committee making the East and West germans sides join together to play together in the games?

The black power salute in Mexico City?



The games are not apolitical. The games are very political events. What China is doing is merely continuing their policy of strong, decieveness to the olympic games. If we, as Canadians and Americans adhere to their values in everyday life, as we trade, benefit from their products, and imports, then there is no way we can be critical of their politics at home. This is distinct issue from their politics abroad like in Darfur etc... If we accept the games are political, and our everyday lives, we accept Chinese political tactics, how can we possibly be upset at how they conduct themselves infront of the world?


The west has politicalized the events just as much as the Chinese have...
Because the athletes are representing countries and because of the degree of patriotism that comes along with it...of course, the olympics will be considered politics...and only can be separated in particular instances...but even then those instances are not made political because there are no political rifts between those two countries (for example...if an american athlete beats an english athlete...because theres never been any bad blood for quite some time, there will be no political implications)...the olympics just give the media A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to make every instance political. The world...not just the west or the east...will definitely politicize the events...the shame in these olympics is the charade that is being put on by China...as Vick and Dheerja just said...regardless of politics, there are things that China has done in these Olympics that are just straight up immoral and wrong across all cultures (see 10 yr old gymnasts)....

This politicization will continue, but I would like to think the athletes don't give a damn...they are there for the sport, the competition, the ability to say that they are the best in the world without a doubt in their respective event...and representing your country is an added bonus...they have no say in the decisions that are made to shape the world by their world leaders...if the media wants to make it a political event, theres no stopping them...

Summy, you are right regarding the politicization of the Olympics, but China's actions in Darfur and their human rights treatment in their own country are BEYOND POLITICS...and therefore we don't need to "accept" what they have been fronting with to the rest of the world...basically, I don't see how the hiding of human rights' issues is a political issue...its a moral issue isn't it? You can't pull a political cover over deeper moral issues can you? My question to you is...just for example....say there is genocide in a particular country, and the country is able to put up a good front...is this good politics?

Those that have lived in a freely democratic country their whole lives (myself included) have a very clear set way of defining what is right and wrong based on our morals, but in different cultures and perspectives (see Chinese) they may not see the use of 10 year old's as that much of a moral issue ( I know thats a leap), and hiding this aspect is a simple act of politics in that case as Summy has suggested....Who is to say that what they are doing is wrong? You can't be a bias judge based on what you feel is right and wrong...if you look at it like this, then Summy's right...its simple politics...they are masking this issue to avoid judgment from other countries?
 

dheerja

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Well no, the situation in Darfur is very much a political issue (as well as a moral one). I think everyone's arguments are getting a little confused. I believe Summy is basically saying that we shouldn't criticize China's actions concerning the OLYMPICS because everyone else also conducts themselves in a political manner. Vick and I are saying that China's Olympic conduct isn't political at all, they're just cheating, so the argument is irrelevant.
 

dheerja

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Jeeti said:
This politicization will continue, but I would like to think the athletes don't give a damn...they are there for the sport, the competition, the ability to say that they are the best in the world without a doubt in their respective event...and representing your country is an added bonus...they have no say in the decisions that are made to shape the world by their world leaders...if the media wants to make it a political event, theres no stopping them...

I disagree. The best part about the Olympics for both athletes and viewers IS the fact that they are representing their country. There are world championships every year in most of these sports where what you said is true. What distinguishes the Olympics from these other events is the pride of representing one's country and the act of bringing together a nation of people in support of their athletes.
 
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