Question for Summy....

[Meistro]

Summy I just have a question for you and I say this out of sheer curiousioty. No disrespect or anything.....Why is it that you post on a Bhangra Forum, yet you disrespect and look down upon bhangra so much? You did the same thing on POL as well. You posted under the Bhangra discussions section. A lot of your posts are quite lengthy, they have lots of insight under topics that do not even pertain to bhangra. It must take you some time to think about what to write as well as writing your response. Is there no other forum where you can post? I mean a Bhangra forum of all places! You HATE bhangra, yet you spend quite a bit of time on it. So I mean i think we'd all like to know why you post on a forum where you have no respect for the concept or the people. Just some thoughts. Again i dont mean any disrespect by this post nor am I targeting summy.

 

[Arjun Barua]

In essence, he's just the same as a missionary, preaching to and trying to convert the 'heathens'. It wouldn't make sense for him to discuss the topics he brings up with people that want to hear about it because that would just be preaching to the choir. So we become the guinea pigs.

 

[Jeeti]

In essence, he's just the same as a missionary, preaching to and trying to convert the 'heathens'. It wouldn't make sense for him to discuss the topics he brings up with people that want to hear about it because that would just be preaching to the choir. So we become the guinea pigs.

IN HIS DEFENSE....yes I said in summy's defense...all of his posts have been in off topic and he rarely chooses to post on topics where his comments are irrelevant (he would never post on whose choreo is better)...yes he may be preaching a bit...but I'm glad he does post because the arguments and discussions that have been raised on this forum from him give a different perspective and (the ones where he does not directly attack anyone) have been productive and need to be heard (see rap music is... OR girl and her right to wear a bangle threads)...but Meistro you do raise a good point, BUT at the same time...without Summy, I would never be able to discuss the things I end up discussing because I am not a member of any other forum but BTF....so in a way im glad he brings the heat on BTF

 

[Summy]

Thanks Jeeti for those words bro, really appreciate it.

Meistro, because you address the question with respect, I will do the same. I do participate in other forums, but why do I like the BTF forum alot better? Because, partly, I believe the lack of morality, intellect, and compassion for issues of Punjab stem a lot from this crowd. There are VERY little places where you can discusses issues about Punjab with punjabis and have consistent feedback that you get here. When you do find these places, people are like myself, they think like myself, and they have the same passion for the issues as I do.

The lack of morality is something so concerning to me, that often it consumes parts of my time. So, when I come here, I want to hear thoughts, insight, and people's concerns that are on the outside looking in. Why they might not care, and when they do care, how EVOLVED are their decisions. I find that the problem with the so many people on this website is that THEY HATE TO GO OUT ON A LIMB, and say something concrete. They dont want to have an opinion. They might say something like racism sucks, or let's bomb China, but rarely want to have an evolved opinion which our community is DESPERATE OF. So a part of me is interested in how these people deal with the issues, and another part of me is wanting to rile up some sort of attention, awareness, positive or negative to the issues.

For every Vick, that comments "1-800-Jenny Craig" on the issue of wearing Kara's, you get someone like Jeeti, Arjunarjun, or Harman etc.. That may not always argee with me, but have a sense of totality about the issues that is lacking so much in the Punjabi community. These are the people who I think, can be such a help to the community, and to our people. That can use their intellect and passion (even if it disagess with mine, me and harman dont argee on most things) to help the issues get more steam on forums like BTF.


Let's be honest, I dont like to give myself a pat on the back... But how many people where indepthly knowledgable about the issues like Farming, like the setbacks in Bhangra, like the death of women all over india... There are a lot of issues that I have raised, that out of sheer conterversy has made people more aware. Now, you have some people actually googling the issues, getting educated on it, so either to help out on the discussion, or not be the victim of my views about the lack of morality in the punjabi community.


I'm not dumb man, I know im not a popular guy especially when you raise issues and concerns about people's morality. On top of that, you challenge something they enjoy in Bhangra. But it NEEDS to be done, and if I can accomplish this very slightly in the BTF community, and there is something made from this, Ill be happy.


I've met, literally like 20 or people who have said I have opened their eyes. I dont want credit, because I dont deserve it. I think so many other people deserve more than I do. But, there have been so many people that i have met that said thanks for evaluating the issues. Thanks for creating some fire in the bhangra community to what ever little it extent it is, you become a little more educated. Again I dont deserve it, because I have such a negative view of the Bhangra community. I cant ever be a role model, because I dont have the tree hugger attitude you need to take ignorance.


I think the issues are important and need to be talked about. I insult people personally when it becomes fun and if they insult me first-- ie-Vick. Other than that, to get a contrasting opinion from the people who I believe are hurting the community a lot more than helping (because they are helping in some manner)... I feel like I am growing as a person.. dont want to live in some igloo


I rarely research my posts, they are actually product of my research that I do everyday. I watch very little TV and am addicted to learning because that oppertunity was restricted to me in India... So thats my deal... If you have any other questions and I loved how you arised that last question because it was respectful, ill gladly enjoy entertain it.


Take care,
Summinder Singh Dhaliwal

 

[Arjun Barua]

IN HIS DEFENSE....yes I said in summy's defense...all of his posts have been in off topic and he rarely chooses to post on topics where his comments are irrelevant (he would never post on whose choreo is better)...yes he may be preaching a bit...but I'm glad he does post because the arguments and discussions that have been raised on this forum from him give a different perspective and (the ones where he does not directly attack anyone) have been productive and need to be heard (see rap music is... OR girl and her right to wear a bangle threads)...but Meistro you do raise a good point, BUT at the same time...without Summy, I would never be able to discuss the things I end up discussing because I am not a member of any other forum but BTF....so in a way im glad he brings the heat on BTF

Right on, brother. I'm all about freedom of speech, as long as it's healthy and constructive. Do your thing, Summy. Just let us do ours too. Speak your mind. Just don't force your views/opinions on anyone. Then we can all coexist peacefully.

 

[Meistro]

Thanks for your response summy and I do in fact appreciate the positive posts that you contribute to this forum on current world affairs, etc. I agree, many of us, including myself have learned a thing or two from summy's postings and have possibly broadened even more perspectives. I also agree with arjun that if we can all have healthy discussions, that we may coexist peacefully as well as our thoughts and opinions.

 

[Summy]

Thanks buddy.

But something people need to clarify is that if I challenge your views, and your assertions, it doesnt mean that I am challenging you as a person, or your family or anything like that. It means I want to divluge into your reasoning to see if your opinions are evolved or not...Its the thing you learn in the real world, people will rip apart every little thought you have to see if you can back it uop or not... and if someone insults your punjab, your heritage, I wanna see if you have a leg to stand up on and say, this is why my desh matters to me... thats all.

 

[Arjunarjun]

For sure..Summy posts alot of stuff that I can disagree or agree with..at the end of the day he's opening my eyes to issues and having people talk about RELEVANT stuff on here.

 

[Mukandpuria]

i actually like your insight, and views bro, just get lazy and don't read all of it...like that rap discussion...when i opened i was like forget this..this is going to take days!

keep em coming..lol your one of my sources of what going on in Punjab lol

 

[rajkaran]

I'm probably one of those people who doesn't like to voice their true opinion too often (mostly because it takes me some time to create a solid one)...which is why I rarely reply to many of the "intense" discussions...
...but I do read the posts every once in a while and btf and the people on it (like Summy, Jeeti, etc) definitely do open my eyes to the issues I face everyday but tend to overlook (the kara case for example...never realllllly thought about it until btf pointed it out...)
...and though I may not always agree with others' opinion, healthy discussion is always one way towards progress, no?

 

[Vick]

Thanks Jeeti for those words bro, really appreciate it.

Meistro, because you address the question with respect, I will do the same. I do participate in other forums, but why do I like the BTF forum alot better? Because, partly, I believe the lack of morality, intellect, and compassion for issues of Punjab stem a lot from this crowd. There are VERY little places where you can discusses issues about Punjab with punjabis and have consistent feedback that you get here. When you do find these places, people are like myself, they think like myself, and they have the same passion for the issues as I do.




Take care,
Summinder Singh Dhaliwal

So if we didn't respond to your posts, you would just leave? Is that all it would take?

 

[Summy]

Vick, if YOU stopped responding to me, then yeah thats it. Nice PM by the way.