Re: Pammi Bai says girls should stick to gidha

[Jabar Jung]

you guys ALWAYS talk about how it USE to be done...get a effing grip...we live in a different time...women dont just sit at home anymore...they are treated as EQUAL to men...so why can't they compete against men on stage or off of stage.

And seriously stop talking about how it was BACK IN THE DAY!

Are you talking to me bruh?

 

[NavDheri]

you guys ALWAYS talk about how it USE to be done...get a effing grip...we live in a different time...women dont just sit at home anymore...they are treated as EQUAL to men...so why can't they compete against men on stage or off of stage.

And seriously stop talking about how it was BACK IN THE DAY!

Are you talking to me bruh?

im saying in general man.

 

[Jabar Jung]

you guys ALWAYS talk about how it USE to be done...get a effing grip...we live in a different time...women dont just sit at home anymore...they are treated as EQUAL to men...so why can't they compete against men on stage or off of stage.

And seriously stop talking about how it was BACK IN THE DAY!

Are you talking to me bruh?

im saying in general man.

ok ok.

 

[campy614]

you guys ALWAYS talk about how it USE to be done...get a effing grip...we live in a different time...women dont just sit at home anymore...they are treated as EQUAL to men...so why can't they compete against men on stage or off of stage.

And seriously stop talking about how it was BACK IN THE DAY!

agreed

 

[Meistro]

so jabar both of your statements contradict each other.....on one hand you're saying "women should stick to gidha" and on the other hand you're saying "im not completely against it, but women need to stop dancing manly". So what's it gonna be? Because I also think women shouldn't dance manly, but to say "women should stick to gidha" is ignorant and totally the opposite of the other statement. Be a bit more clear next time you want to make such bold statements in an argument with such a touchy subject.

 

[Nikhil]

Judges over here are used to seeing what they see. They have no other style to compare it to...

And what about the judges in India? The same goes for them. They are only used to seeing traditional bhangra performed by men to a live dhol. So if there was to be a competition of NA girls versus India girls (like you suggested), you'd be pitting NA girls into inevitable defeat based on opinion of "how it should be" and "experience".

If we are already over here dancing to recorded music we're not traditional anymore, so we might as well be open to the idea of anything being possible when it comes to recorded music.

quote]I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...[/quote]

What about guys teams who:
1) Don't tie chadreh properly and expose themselves
2) Use way too much force during Jhummar and Bhangra
3) Stick their tongues out and make every other facial expression but a smile (no one in particular)

There are plenty of teams, Guys, Girls, mixed, that have inappropriate material, but your prime example of why girls shouldn't do bhangra is faulty.

Much Respect because I know this is a touchy subject
Nikhil

 

[oJaLa]

I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...


Say whatever i would still agree with judges from india because obviously they have more knowledge and they more experience.

Judges over here are used to seeing what they see. They have no other style to compare it to...

So basically, we can all blame the judges for this(?) They award more points based on these "manly" moves, and girls' teams that compete in competitions where there are all guys teams want to make sure they have a chance at placing. Under those pressures, they add on some things that are questionable to the traditional aspect of bhangra.

 

[Nikhil]

There's also a double standard when it comes to girls doing bhangra. Girls get crap for sometimes being left in the dust by their guy partners, and they get scrutinized for dancing "too manly". We need to provide some CONSTRUCTIVE, and SPECIFIC criticism for all people when it comes to seeing what you want to see better in a dancer, because without it, we're gonna keep reviving this argument and exhausting all participants. If we can provide this sort of feedback, we'll all see a style/energy level of girls doing bhangra that is universally acceptable for judges and other teams

 

[abhigames]

Hmm...yeah girls can/should do bhangra...and I agree about keeping it true to their feminine style. Although, I have to admit, I think giddha is super sexy...def sexier than a girl saaping angrily away. Although I don't mind the all the girls teams that have come about through the past couple of years, I personally think that boys and girls on stage create a harmonious, pleasant viewing experiencing. I think what will make all this better is if we make our girls all look really pretty and get some more feminine grace.

 

[KingGeorge]

Lmao I can't believe this debate is even happening... I have a question for you Pammi Bai supporters- how is the concept of girls doing bhangra having an impact on your day-to-day life? Does it really bother you that much? Don't you have other things to worry about?

Granted that Bhangra is a piece of Punjabi culture that we embrace in order to stay in touch with Punjabi roots and preserve Punjabi traditions, but at the end of the day it's a goddamn extracurricular activity!!. Most of us don't do it to celebrate the growth of our crops or to celebrate a good rainfall- we do it because we like the idea of competitions where we can show off our talent and meet other people with the same interests as us from around the continent. And honestly, I don't know about you guys, but I like meeting girls at various competitions lol. To argue that girls don't have a right to share the stage with guys during these Bhangra competitions is the most baseless altercation someone can think of, especially in this day and age.

So before firing up your ego and supporting a statement like "girls shouldn't do Bhangra" (or whatever it was), please think to yourself "how the hell does this affect me? will this be a constructive argument?". And if your argument is that "judges" don't like it, then honestly I can only ask you take the judges off your shrine/pedestal and stop treating them like Gods. As we all clearly know, the unified circuit has the real power to set trends in the Bhangra world, not the judges. So do what you want, what you like, what you believe in- don't be a drone.

And as far as the arguments that the "boys leave the girls in the dust"/"girls can't do it gracefully" has been proven to be wrong on multiple occasions. If you're going to run a co-ed team you obviously need to work so that you balance out the girl/guy presence and emphasis in your routine. One of the reasons some of the best co-ed teams are that good is because they have achieved this balance (i.e. VCU, Empire, Drexel). Personally, while watching them, never have I felt a male dominance in the routine. And even if boys do seem to overpower the girls in some routines, that's no reason to kick girls off stage- just work harder.

Thank You.

 

[Sohaj]

Pammi Bai in his long speech said that girls shudnt do giddha only cuz they express their emotions, feelings, nakhra, and their culture so much better through giddha and guys express it through bhangra since all the boliyaans r basically made for the guys...something along those lines.

Im guessin that instead of giddha u meant to say bhangra. If that is the case, i do understand what Pammi Bai is saying...most of the songs teams dance on are about gabroos playing kabaddi or killing someone or how no one is better than jatts or how punjabis like to drink or how we can beat King Kong with our pinky...etc. You can't blame a singer/lyricist to come up and say that girls shouldn't dance on things of this nature. Nakhre and expressions are huge part of bhangra and it is weird to see girl's dancing to something that is sang from a guy's perspective.

One thing I really liked about VCU's mix is the balance between the male and female songs. They tend to have a couple of songs from a perspective of a male and then the next two might be from a female perspective and so on. I think co-ed teams should pay attention to that and adjust their nakhre according to the lyrics.

 

[Manjot]

lol yeh my bad, meant to say bhangra

 

[Meistro]

where can i find this speech? when did pammi bai make this speech and why?

 

[JSahota]

where can i find this speech? when did pammi bai make this speech and why?

pammi bai made a super long speech at the end of the show b4 the awards presentation, he talked about how girls should only do gidha, dancers dont dance on beat anymore, move their shoulders, and a bunch of other stuff

 

[Rupinder]

I think Pammi Bai is getting old and needs glasses to see how girls be tearing it up, and dance better than most guys.

 

[Arjun Barua]

Hmm...yeah girls can/should do bhangra...and I agree about keeping it true to their feminine style. Although, I have to admit, I think giddha is super sexy...def sexier than a girl saaping angrily away. Although I don't mind the all the girls teams that have come about through the past couple of years, I personally think that boys and girls on stage create a harmonious, pleasant viewing experiencing. I think what will make all this better is if we make our girls all look really pretty and get some more feminine grace.

Abhigames, your post seems to imply that women should be viewed as sex objects, which I (and many others) find HIGHLY objectionable. Moreover, girls do not do bhangra to look 'sexy.' They do it for the same reason they do any other hobby or activity -- because they enjoy it!

 

[Basim]

Most of us don't do it to celebrate the growth of our crops or to celebrate a good rainfall

Speak for yourself young padwan We grow vegetables in my background and the parents love when it rains cause they don't got to water the entire place. Essentially this is the best and most inspirational time for me to do bhangra.

I think Pammi Bai is getting old and needs glasses to see how girls be tearing it up, and dance better than most guys.

Let's not go lashing one of the greatest Bhangra artists in our time, while we critique his point of view on youngsters competing with elders in bhangra & females dancing to bhangra vs gidha. Pammi Bai used to be an amazing folk dancer (who in the past performed with Bhangra, Jhummar, and Malwai Giddha teams) before he became a singer. He has also recorded tracks and performed with legends of Punjabi music, such as Surinder Kaur (RIP). Also, while most artists speak on western values/try to make their tracks more "hip," Pammi Bai has made a lot of effort in preserving traditional/folk lyrics so that future generations can identify abd learn more about their roots.


That's all I have to say for now!

~ Basim ;D

 

[AmyDee]

LOL i dont know about other girls teams but that saying doesn't phase me anymore.Girls teams like UBC,MSU,Jawani,NBA and others have proven otherwise many times!


There is a big ass difference between girls doing bhangra and girls dancing like men, which makes both the bhangra and girls look bad.

There are girls teams however that i do like that do bhangra, and there are teams who i completely don't like doing bhangra. Like I said i am not completely against it, but there is a line that girls' teams should not pass and make themesleves look manly. I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...

im pretty relaxed actually.Because i see girls teams beat guys teams,i see co ed teams beat all guys teams, i see women judging the competitions.I see it clearly that regardless of what you say..were going to continue to do it.Its still happening.You say u like girls teams that do bhangra that u like.Then u +100 on Pammi Bai saying girls shud stick to ghidda.So what exaclty are u saying? then u say ur not completley against it.

I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them

i really dont understand what your saying here either.Your saying we add manly moves and that is inappropriate or us being on that stage competing against other mens teams is inappropriate?

i do understand if u feel like somthings u see on stage are not appropriate.Thats ur opinion.Im sure that wasnt that girls or girls teams intention.Hopefully u will see the true passion we have for it,and as girls are a symbol of respect and honor for the east indian community in every aspect,we symbolize it in bhangra as well.

I dont know about other girls who do bhangra..but i dont do bhangra to look hot or "sexy".There is always nakhra...But i just wish ppl would keep it innocent and appropriate when they comment on the nakhra.As ppl may think some girls teams dance too manly,saying it looks sexy or hot is not really not an alternative.Im sure girls dont do ghidda to look hot or sexy either.I just personally hate it when ppl say that.blech.

I think what will make all this better is if we make our girls all look really pretty and get some more feminine grace.

+1 we'll work on it!!! love the constructive critisizm always.

 

[Remy]

Pammi Bai said that girls should stick to gidha and that bhangra isn't made for them.

+100

if girls can't do bhangra, then non-Jatts shouldn't be able to do bhangra either. Traditionally, they didn't do bhangra back in the day. Jatts did. pammi bai needs to get an update on the world. This isnt ancient punjab anymore.

+ 10000

 

[Remy]

As his punishment Pammi Bai has to do 1 million betka mwahahahahaha!