Re: Pammi Bai says girls should stick to gidha

[Sukhdip S. Chhina]

Jabbar ur funny lol! Im not against girls doing bhangra or anything but there is a limit to what is appropriate for girls to do. Perfect example is VCU girls they do bhangra better than most guys on the circuit, but they never pass that limit where it comes inappropriate. Now don't come and ask me "so what's appropriate? lol. Its just common sense. One thing i find real funny is that when people say that they do bhangra to stay in touch with their culture. There are alot of people for whom this is true, but we all now its not true for everyone. There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa. I dont want to get started on drugs so i will leave it there!

 

[PINDER KORDA SINGH]

There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa. I dont want to get started on drugs so i will leave it there!
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lol I LIKE!!!!

 

[Sukhdip S. Chhina]

Tenu hor koi kam nahin. Chaprasia jahke apne kamre di safayi kar!

 

[AnkurK]

Im not against girls doing bhangra or anything but there is a limit to what is appropriate for girls to do. Perfect example is VCU girls they do bhangra better than most guys on the circuit, but they never pass that limit where it comes inappropriate. Now don't come and ask me "so what's appropriate? lol. Its just common sense. One thing i find real funny is that when people say that they do bhangra to stay in touch with their culture. There are alot of people for whom this is true, but we all now its not true for everyone. There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa.

well said

 

[justAguy]

One thing i find real funny is that when people say that they do bhangra to stay in touch with their culture. There are alot of people for whom this is true, but we all now its not true for everyone. There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa.

Not only that... there's nothing cultural about drunk kids starting fights at after parties... well it could be to those who see our culture as drunk punjabis starting fights at their pindhs... but I look at the peaceful side of our culture lol. There's nothing cultural about the rap and Lil Wayne that comes into most teams' bhangra mixes... in fact... there's not much culture left within bhangra anymore is there ?!

 

[Sukhdip S. Chhina]

One thing i find real funny is that when people say that they do bhangra to stay in touch with their culture. There are alot of people for whom this is true, but we all now its not true for everyone. There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa.

well it could be to those who see our culture as drunk punjabis starting fights at their pindhs... but I look at the peaceful side of our culture lol. There's nothing cultural about the rap and Lil Wayne that comes into most teams' bhangra mixes... in fact... there's not much culture left within bhangra anymore is there ?!

What are you talking about drunk punjabis starting fights at their pindhs? That isnt and was never part of our culture! Those kind of people exist throughout the world and it has nothing to do ones culture!!

 

[pluthra]

Hmm...yeah girls can/should do bhangra...and I agree about keeping it true to their feminine style. Although, I have to admit, I think giddha is super sexy...def sexier than a girl saaping angrily away. Although I don't mind the all the girls teams that have come about through the past couple of years, I personally think that boys and girls on stage create a harmonious, pleasant viewing experiencing. I think what will make all this better is if we make our girls all look really pretty and get some more feminine grace.

1) Girls dont "angrily" shikka (if that can be even used as a verb) there's alot of girls who do shikka properly and they dont look angry; we're not killing our shikkas here
2) roop thinks this: well its not about how it relates me back to my culture (my roots etc in india) we have a stronger tie to the north american scene not the india scene; like ya bhangra is about indian culture but its much more intricate than that u cant hold that view....which makes sense b/c are we really trying to get back to our roots in punjab (the concept just seems flawed) I don't want to be like girls in india or be entirely like the people in India, but want to still be able to know what my culture is w/out having to say i wanna be like them india
3) I don't think it matters to most girls what anyone has to say because u haven't seen them stop have u nooo
4) i dont think boys and girls create a more "harmonious, pleasant experience on stage"---just my opinion I think it shud just matter how well a team performs

 

[AnkurK]

One thing i find real funny is that when people say that they do bhangra to stay in touch with their culture. There are alot of people for whom this is true, but we all now its not true for everyone. There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa.

Not only that... there's nothing cultural about drunk kids starting fights at after parties... well it could be to those who see our culture as drunk punjabis starting fights at their pindhs... but I look at the peaceful side of our culture lol. There's nothing cultural about the rap and Lil Wayne that comes into most teams' bhangra mixes... in fact... there's not much culture left within bhangra anymore is there ?!

I completely agree with your point about starting fights at after-parties but I disagree regarding rap music being used in team mixes. Rap being incorporated into a teams mix is only a means to appeal to the audience who sometimes are not complete bhangra-holics. Though it might not be completely cultural, we again have to understand that we are not in THAT era.

Forgot to add.. its not about drunk punjabis starting fights in their pinds lmao

 

[Jabar Jung]

so jabar both of your statements contradict each other.....on one hand you're saying "women should stick to gidha" and on the other hand you're saying "im not completely against it, but women need to stop dancing manly". So what's it gonna be? Because I also think women shouldn't dance manly, but to say "women should stick to gidha" is ignorant and totally the opposite of the other statement. Be a bit more clear next time you want to make such bold statements in an argument with such a touchy subject.

I am still going to say, Girls doing gidha look better than doing bhangra. By me saying that, girls are not going to stop doing bhangra, they can careless of what i say. If you are going to bhangra atleast don't be manly and open your mouth and wink at the audience and do the shimmy move.

LOL i dont know about other girls teams but that saying doesn't phase me anymore.Girls teams like UBC,MSU,Jawani,NBA and others have proven otherwise many times!


There is a big ass difference between girls doing bhangra and girls dancing like men, which makes both the bhangra and girls look bad.

There are girls teams however that i do like that do bhangra, and there are teams who i completely don't like doing bhangra. Like I said i am not completely against it, but there is a line that girls' teams should not pass and make themesleves look manly. I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...

im pretty relaxed actually.Because i see girls teams beat guys teams,i see co ed teams beat all guys teams, i see women judging the competitions.I see it clearly that regardless of what you say..were going to continue to do it.Its still happening.You say u like girls teams that do bhangra that u like.Then u +100 on Pammi Bai saying girls shud stick to ghidda.So what exaclty are u saying? then u say ur not completley against it.

By saying we, I don't know if you are actually representing ALL the women or your own team.First of all i am not talking about your team, there are other girls' teams..second im not a sexist, i did not say girls shouldn't perform. If you look again i said they should do gidha because they look better doing that.

I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them

i really dont understand what your saying here either.Your saying we add manly moves and that is inappropriate or us being on that stage competing against other mens teams is inappropriate?

i do understand if u feel like somthings u see on stage are not appropriate.Thats ur opinion.Im sure that wasnt that girls or girls teams intention.Hopefully u will see the true passion we have for it,and as girls are a symbol of respect and honor for the east indian community in every aspect,we symbolize it in bhangra as well.

My opinion, im sure it wasn't done intentionally, but if they are going to do bhangra, at least learn what would be appropriate or inappropriate before going on the stage, my opinion.

I don't know how you are symbolizing girl's respect and honor in bhangra. elaborate? If your doing gidha, thats a different story.

I dont know about other girls who do bhangra..but i dont do bhangra to look hot or "sexy".There is always nakhra...But i just wish ppl would keep it innocent and appropriate when they comment on the nakhra.As ppl may think some girls teams dance too manly,saying it looks sexy or hot is not really not an alternative.Im sure girls dont do ghidda to look hot or sexy either.I just personally hate it when ppl say that.blech.

Thats a good thing.

I think what will make all this better is if we make our girls all look really pretty and get some more feminine grace.

+1 we'll work on it!!! love the constructive critisizm always.

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Lmao I can't believe this debate is even happening... I have a question for you Pammi Bai supporters- how is the concept of girls doing bhangra having an impact on your day-to-day life? Does it really bother you that much? Don't you have other things to worry about?

I have a lot things to worry about and i am not going door by door telling girls to stop doing bhangra. It is my opinion and if it bothers you that much, well im happy. I actually do care a lot about my culture and what it will be in another 50 years.

Granted that Bhangra is a piece of Punjabi culture that we embrace in order to stay in touch with Punjabi roots and preserve Punjabi traditions, but at the end of the day it's a goddamn extracurricular activity!!.

For you it may be "extracurricular activity!!" have fun practicing, chill time, not for me, sorry bruh.

And honestly, I don't know about you guys, but I like meeting girls at various competitions lol.

enough said, that just shows the difference between me and you.

yea people make all the jokes you want.

So before firing up your ego and supporting a statement like "girls shouldn't do Bhangra" (or whatever it was), please think to yourself "how the hell does this affect me? will this be a constructive argument?". And if your argument is that "judges" don't like it, then honestly I can only ask you take the judges off your shrine/pedestal and stop treating them like Gods. As we all clearly know, the unified circuit has the real power to set trends in the Bhangra world, not the judges. So do what you want, what you like, what you believe in- don't be a drone.

You and i were raised differently, if you think you can disrespect a judge, fine do it. I can't do that, he/she is still at a higher status than i am and i don't mean judges like these fuddu judges who have no experience and say they performed "bhu-n-gra" at some competitions, legit judges. Kam, krodh, moh, hunkaar, don't have. sorry. well krodh little bit.

And as far as the arguments that the "boys leave the girls in the dust"/"girls can't do it gracefully" has been proven to be wrong on multiple occasions. If you're going to run a co-ed team you obviously need to work so that you balance out the girl/guy presence and emphasis in your routine. One of the reasons some of the best co-ed teams are that good is because they have achieved this balance (i.e. VCU, Empire, Drexel). Personally, while watching them, never have I felt a male dominance in the routine. And even if boys do seem to overpower the girls in some routines, that's no reason to kick girls off stage- just work harder.

Thank You.

VCU girls dance better than any other girls team and even dance better than i do and probably anybody in ny well except monster or gary (your all good in my eyes)

Judges over here are used to seeing what they see. They have no other style to compare it to...

And what about the judges in India? The same goes for them. They are only used to seeing traditional bhangra performed by men to a live dhol. So if there was to be a competition of NA girls versus India girls (like you suggested), you'd be pitting NA girls into inevitable defeat based on opinion of "how it should be" and "experience".

If you have legit traditional judges here, it won't be much different. It all comes down to modern vs traditional again.

If we are already over here dancing to recorded music we're not traditional anymore, so we might as well be open to the idea of anything being possible when it comes to recorded music.

I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...

What about guys teams who:
1) Don't tie chadreh properly and expose themselves
2) Use way too much force during Jhummar and Bhangra
3) Stick their tongues out and make every other facial expression but a smile (no one in particular)

I am not talking about judging guys, i am saying "some" girls try to act all manly.

There are plenty of teams, Guys, Girls, mixed, that have inappropriate material, but your prime example of why girls shouldn't do bhangra is faulty.

Much Respect because I know this is a touchy subject
Nikhil

The prime example of why girls shouldn't be doing bhangra, it all depends on who is reading and who is writing, if you are a traditional type of person then your opinion obviously is going to be very different than a non traditional person, which is most of the people.
I respect you a lot bro

I am not going to name any names but some people know which teams i am talking about and they have been discussed before also, how they add things to their routines which is completely inaapropriate for a family based audience and what basically is that girls' teams try to compete against men's teams and try to beat them by trying to dance like them...relax...


Say whatever i would still agree with judges from india because obviously they have more knowledge and they more experience.

Judges over here are used to seeing what they see. They have no other style to compare it to...

So basically, we can all blame the judges for this(?) They award more points based on these "manly" moves, and girls' teams that compete in competitions where there are all guys teams want to make sure they have a chance at placing. Under those pressures, they add on some things that are questionable to the traditional aspect of bhangra.

Thats my whole point, they trying to compete against men teams and doing moves very weirdly. im sure you love it OJ loolol. Jk jk...

There are alot of people who just go to bhangra comps to hook up with girls and vice versa.

HAHAH BATHERE NAAM aa mere kol, chaide kise nu?


JEHDA MERE TO BAAD REPLY KARE, OHDA SARD JE ANDAR.

 

[justAguy]

What are you talking about drunk punjabis starting fights at their pindhs? That isnt and was never part of our culture! Those kind of people exist throughout the world and it has nothing to do ones culture!!
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Yes but many people identify themselves and their culture as that. How often do you see an idiot punjabi kid downing a black label saying BOLE SO NIHAAL and labeling themselves as a "TRUE PUNJABI"

I can name you one right now that both you and I are familiar with... but I won't

 

[justAguy]

While some will say 'happiness peace family respect virtue grattitude love and compassion is my culture' others will say 'ni99a i drink more than u n ill knock a ni99a that f&^# with me out son, assi haan punjabi bruahhh'
It's just a matter of perspective. Culture is a social conformity, some people conform to one while many conform to the other, and in the area which we live in, I'm sure you see the latter often

 

[Karan V]

where can i find this speech? when did pammi bai make this speech and why?

pammi bai made a super long speech at the end of the show b4 the awards presentation, he talked about how girls should only do gidha, dancers dont dance on beat anymore, move their shoulders, and a bunch of other stuff

thas truee. we have two guys in our academy that same from india a while ago that danced for dav college. they always like bhangra was meant for guys. its a tradition. it started off with guys and should be done with guys. girls will never be able to do bhangra like guys. bhangra was made for guys and giddha for girls. there all thinking about the same thing. so all of em that come from india all think like that. they aint saying that girls cant do it, but traditionaly it shuldnt be done.

 

[justAguy]

Here's a good example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlsrtJ6EJ0
How do many popular artists depict our culture? Like that.
Is it really our culture? I personally don't think so, but others do, it's a matter of perspective

 

[has_jawandha]

I think that girlz have the full right to do bhangra. there are hella girlz out there that kill it when they're on stage. they even make the guys look bad. girlz go for it!

 

[AmyDee]

Same way they show it in ghidda id suppose.in general we are a symbol of honour and respect its what we hold in our own families and the families we will go into.its not a matter of what we do to show it but the fact that we are on stage doing somthing that we love in a appropriate manner..full clothed..nothing showing,heads covered promoting our culture,making our parents proud.iv never seen a girls team do anything inapprorpiate on stage.The moves we do are not inappropriate at all.its just bhangra..the way we see it we do it and try to do it right.i dont do bhangra to look like freaking chandan from panj or a S.G.P.D dancer.its my own style and we as a team try to make it as graceful as we can.i can do ghidda but i just dont get the satisfication from it as a ghidda dancer would.just like im sure some of they wudnt from bhangra.but anyways.in india they arnt used to seeing girls do it so its a shock for some of them.theyll get used to it im sure pammi uncle will too.

Girls should do bhangra.They can do bhangra.They do.but u can voice ur opinion thats fine.Hopefully we can discuss this in person one day.i hope to see you at bruin.and i hope u appreciate our dancing.sorry if my phumaniyan,summi,jugni,dhamaal,fassalan,bhetkan,thamakaa,punjab,or chaal offends u or is inappropriate.ill sing a ghidda boli at the beggining if that makes pammi uncle feel better .

 

[AmyDee]

haha shimmy.

 

[Jabar Jung]

i hope to see you at bruin

main gareeb banda aine paise ni haige mere kol!

 

[campy614]

Ok in all seriousness I really can't believe we're having this discussion again. Are you people really that bored... like really?!?!?

And I really don't understand why everyone is coming up on this thread and saying "I don't care what Pammi Bai says because I'm over it" and then this turns into a major issue. Let's be serious-no one's opinions on this thread actually matter. Who cares!!!

We don't live in South Asia-all men and women are allowed to do whatever they want as long as it is within the boundaries of the law. So they should be allowed to do bhangra. Does this have any major impact on your lives... uh, no. So why do you care so much?!?!?

If anything it means that at the next competition you compete at, you might get your asses handed to you by Jawani Bhangra, UBC Girls, NBA, SMD, PANJ Girls, or co-ed teams like VCU, PANJ Co-ed, Punjabi Beat Co-ed, Empire, Drexel... but you'll get over that.

 

[h.dhami]

who cares wut Pammi Bai says
and y cant girls do bhangra?