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Review of Bhangra Down Under (BDU) 2015

Bhangra All Stars Sydney

ALL STAR BHANGRA TEAM - SYDNEY TON
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Hello to our fellow bhangra community. As most readers may know, BASS recently performed at Bhangra Down Under (BDU) 2015. Consequently, this post is a review of the competition as we feel it is the responsibility of teams to provide feedback from a team perspective, and we are hopeful this feedback will assist the Australian bhangra scene to grow.

First and foremost, we would like to stress that this review is by no means a challenge to the final placings of BDU 2015. We believe all teams had expended tremendous effort and time in preparing for the competition, hence we do not take anything away from other teams that performed. The purpose of this review is to provide feedback on the competition in order to assist the Australian bhangra scene to grow, and we feel it is the responsibility of the teams to provide this feedback. Overall, we believe BDU 2015 was not a performer orientated competition, with a multitude of areas requiring attention as discussed below.


Leading up to competition:
Each team was required to pay a registration fee of 300 dollars to participate at the competition and no team was refunded this amount. This fee was not required at previous Australian competitions such as Nachda Punjab 2012 and even BDU 2013, where interstate teams were subsidised to help with things such as travel expenses and accommodation. As the Australian bhangra scene is still growing, a fee may deter newer less established teams from participating and expanding the scene down under.


Further, we were not informed as to what purpose the 300 dollars were utilised. Additional attractions such as Malkit Singh, although adding to the audience experience, should be secondary considerations when organising a bhangra competition and teams’ needs should be addressed first. Such aspects made it seem as if the competition was not performer or bhangra orientated.

Regarding the logistics of our performance, we had asked members of the committee about the rigging which we were told was available for the competition. Although we had asked up to a month beforehand, and on multiple occasions, each request was met with the same response, that we would be told soon. However, we never received any of this requested information.

Prior to the competition there were two judges meetings, both in which we were introduced to two judges, Rami Hay and Ashish Sharma. Although there was no mention of a third judge during the meetings or in the competition regulations, we were nevertheless introduced to a third judge, Dr Rasna, during the judge’s feedback following the competition.

Mixer night:
The mixer venue this year was nice and classy. It was also spacious, a big step up from last year which was a bit cramped. However, the quality of food was poor with many of our performers having to purchase food following the mixer.

Competition Day:
Our first experience of the competition venue was the extremely cramped change rooms which were also poorly ventilated. Further, the organisation of the change rooms themselves was inadequate. Although two teams were initially allocated per room, we were told to accommodate a third team in a room which was already shoulder-to-shoulder. We raised this issue with the organisers, however it took more than 30 minutes until they were reallocated.

In regards to food, we were promised food on the day of the competition. However, we were not informed as to when and where the food had been delivered, and consequently had to purchase our own food.


Stage:
Although the stage was a good size, it had a dip at the front which created an uneven surface and indicated poor venue selection. The stage area as a whole was slanted i.e. not a flat area. In terms of lighting, although there was a variety of available lighting, the majority of our provided lighting cues were not executed.

Liaison:
Our first impression of our liaison, was quite frankly rude and pushy. On competition day, our liaison impolitely demanded our mix on USB. This was despite the fact that the mix had already been given to the committee via email prior to the competition, as requested by the competition regulations.

During our tech time rehearsal and continuing into the performance, our liaison had taken the responsibility of handling our lighting cues, the majority of which were not executed. This was despite the fact that we had handed a lighting sheet one week prior to the competition. Nevertheless, our most critical lighting cue was executed perfectly so in this regard the liaison did well in executing our specific instruction. As the technical rehearsals were running behind schedule, we were also pushed to finish our rehearsal earlier than the 20 minutes allotted to each team. We felt this was unfair, along with the fact that the 20 minutes were not being timed with an appropriate timer/stopwatch.

Leading up to the performance, we requested our liaison’s assistance backstage, however we were told it would be the final time she would help us. We felt she did not fulfill her role as a team liaison, failing to prioritise our team’s needs. Further, she expressed she would arrive backstage to retrieve us, one performance prior to ours, however she failed to appear.


Leading up to our performance:

Whilst we were in our side-stage huddle preparing for our performance, Melbourne Bhangra Regiment’s (MBR’s) performance was interrupted due to technical difficulties. As MBR remained on stage and began setting up again, we were under the impression that they would re-attempt their performance straight away, the curtains were closed by this stage and as such the judges could not see what was taking place on stage . However, soon after this, we heard the MC announce our team unexpectedly, and were spontaneously requested by the organisers to perform. In response, we requested a further 2 minutes from Tanveer Bedi (main organiser), who was side stage at that time, before the judges would begin timing our 2 minute set up time. Tanveer Bedi agreed to this. When we did step on stage to set up, the curtain was still closed - as the curtain was a fair way into the stage area we did not have the front of the stage to set up. We requested the curtains to be lifted which took another half a minute approximately. It was only after the curtain was lifted that we had the front of the stage available to set up. All these delays added up and in the end we were penalised with a 5 point deduction for exceeding the 2 minute set up time. The organisers failed to communicate the above series of events to the judges before they announced the final result.

Judging:
The most notable aspects of the judging was the inconsistency between the judges' opinions, and how the judges did not present their feedback to teams collectively. This contrasted our experience at WBBC where we received very clear and collective feedback from the judging panel. Subsequent to receiving our feedback at WBBC, we attempted to implement all the judges’ suggestions in order to improve our set. However, the feedback at BDU was very limited and did not give a legitimate indication of how the judgment was reached, nor how we could improve.

Following the announcement of placings, we were able to obtain judges’ feedback in an informal setting on stage. Rami Hay was the only judge to provide us with the original marking criteria on the night, whilst the other two judges denied us the criteria, although we had verbally requested it. In particular, Ashish Sharma did not allow us to read his original marking criteria, although we requested so, with his reasoning being that we would not be able to read his handwriting. As a result, Ashish informed us that he would type it up and send it later with additional feedback (which we are yet to receive).

The competition regulations also specified that the judges’ score sheets and feedback would be provided within five working days of the competition via email, however it has been over eight working days and we are yet to receive them. This again contrasted our experience at WBBC, where we were provided with all the original criteria from judges' promptly following the competition. Although a formal feedback session following the day of the competition was specified in the regulations, no such session took place.

The judges’ feedback, as noted above, was not consistent across the three judges. Rami Hay expressed she had nothing negative to say about our performance, aside from five point deductions each for time and chaadre. She also indicated having no knowledge of our request for two extra minutes before our set up. Dr Rasna (mystery judge) similarly described our performance as being flawless apart from the above deductions. However, the feedback we received from Ashish Sharma was in complete contrast to the first two judges. He informed us that we had excessive nakhra, and In particular, that our heads were moving too much. We were thus advised that we keep our heads still "unless you're SGPD and can do it well". Adding to these comments, Ashish said our performance was too fast and that he prefered slower segments, along with the fact that the number of songs we chose were too many. He informed us we should have continued individual songs for longer, 40-50 seconds to be precise. Finally, he emphasised that judging is subjective and although the audience enjoyed some gimmicks such as our raybans, he personally did not like them. We felt this comment defied the purpose of a marking criteria, as judges should mark objectively according to the rubric and not their personal opinion.

Post-competition:
Following the competition, it took some interstate teams over two hours to come across taxis to transport them to their respective accommodations. On the contrary, we witnessed some committee members being picked by organised transport, without any attention being given to the surrounding performers. This was an issue for performers not only because of the time spent waiting, but also because of the rowdy crowd around the area at that time of night.

Summary:
Again we stress that we have posted this review as we feel it is our responsibility to provide feedback from a team perspective. We hope this feedback assists the Australian bhangra scene to grow in an environment where teams are prioritised and judges feedback is consistent and helpful to teams.

Finally, and as indicated by the aforementioned points, we do not believe BDU acts in the best interest of the performers, rather taking advantage of the growing Australian bhangra scene. If the committee does not implement some drastic changes, such as those listed below, we will not be returning to compete at BDU 2016.

Some recommendations include:
• Teams provided with a transparent record of where registration/other fees will be utilised.
• Transparency regarding who and exactly how many judges will be judging, outlined in the competition regulations.
• Prompt and complete responses to team queries regarding aspects relevant to the competition, such as available rigging.
• Better organisation of food for performers at the mixer and on competition day (if specified that food will be provided).
• Choice of venue which is better suited for a bhangra competition, with more spacious change rooms and a suitable stage.
• Ensuring liaisons have the main priority of assisting the teams.
• Clear and direct communication between backstage organisers and the judges, with judges continuously updated regarding any incidents.
• Teams provided with collective and collaborative feedback from the judges to improve transparency, including the original marking criteria promptly following the competition
• The organisers MUST follow the rules outlined in the competition regulations e.g. providing marking criteria within the specified period and having a formal feedback session.
• Judges MUST mark objectively according to the criteria, not subjective opinion.
 

Prabhzy

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Wow same shit, different place.


Im very surprised that the basic processes in a comp are not being followed. Its very easy to go to past BTF and NachdaPunjab threads to see similar feedbacks on comps and hopefully learn not to make the very same mistakes in your own comp!


I actually feel disappointed that due to another team's technical error ( caused by the venue) impacted on your performance and the 5 points you got deducted could have won you the comp ( a thought which is echoed by many). I would also like to know which team Ashish Sharma has danced for, to back his feedback ( which was clearly subjective rather than sticking to the said rubric)
 

Bhangra All Stars Sydney

ALL STAR BHANGRA TEAM - SYDNEY TON
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Prabhzy said:
I would also like to know which team Ashish Sharma has danced for, to back his feedback ( which was clearly subjective rather than sticking to the said rubric)
@Prabhzy In the past, Ashish has performed for Yale Jashan Bhangra (USA), in addition to Federation of Bhangra - FOB (Australia).
 

NachdiShaan

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Thanks for starting this thread BASS. Below are our experiences and thoughts on Bhangra Down Under (BDU) that was held on the 26th of September in Melbourne. As a team we feel it is necessary to provide the committee with feedback on our experience in order for them to grow and improve the competition for competing teams in the following year.


Mixer:
Firstly we’d like to thank the committee for providing two of the interstate teams with transport both to and from the mixer venue. This was a massive help as the mixer location was outside the city and reduced the stress of navigating 14 girls across Melbourne public transport. The mixer venue itself was nice and accommodating to the large number of teams present.

Although the mixer is not about the food, there is an expectation that the food provided the day before a competition is decent. The food provided was well below average. Team members not only in our team, but other teams, had to resort to going next door to buy food. Food may not be considered a major issue, however, if performers need to buy food from elsewhere, while the event is still running, that is concerning.


Competition Day:
The organisation on event day was poor.

The morning of the event, we were asked if we had our music and projector video on USB. It is expected that the committee download all music and videos related to the team prior to the event day. We understand however that teams should keep each on a USB in case of issues BUT, these things should’ve been organised by the committee well before event day. Members of the committee were attempting to download mixes and videos 1 hour before rehearsal time.

If the committee has said that projector use is available and they are happy for that to be used, it is their responsibility to take the time to understand and ensure that both the video and music is played according to each team’s needs. Teams put in a lot of effort ensuring certain effects in their video work in line with the mix being played. Additionally, these were not able to be tested during rehearsal time as the projector screen had not been set up. We were also told that is not possible to have the video timed exactly to the mix. If the organisers are not capable of timing these things correctly they shouldn’t be providing the option.

Additionally our video was to include only our logo. Towards the end of the performance our logo disappeared and was replaced by the BDU event logo. A blank screen is not an opportunity for organisers to slot in their logo to further market/promote the event. We are promoting our team while we are on stage.

A week prior to competition we were required to submit our lighting sheets. After talking to the lighting technician in rehearsal time about the lack of lighting cues in rehearsal, we were told he was only given these sheets 10-15 minutes prior to the start of rehearsal time. How are teams expected to get a proper understanding of their lighting if the technician himself doesn't have the time to understand what the team wants? We had to have a team member sit with the lighting technician during the performance because during our rehearsal time he wasn't able to fully understand our requests. A number of our lighting cues were not executed.

As mentioned, the stage was a good size, however it was slanted.

The committee provided each of the competing teams with food on the event day which we appreciated, but the food provided was left outside uncovered and unattended. This is a violation of basic health and safety regulations.

Toilets were not clean. Our team was the first to arrive at 10am and they were already filthy and almost unusable by team members. Although some changing rooms were cramped, we were fortunate enough to have received a larger changing room


Liaison:
Thank you to Amandeep who went beyond what he needed to do as an organiser. We are extremely grateful for the knee guard he organised to be bought in by his brother at the last minute. Special mention to Sonya our liaison, who organised an ankle guard for us on the day. As a liaison she did an amazing job and was extremely supportive and helpful throughout the process.


Post Event:
The treatment we received after the competition was frankly disrespectful. Two interstate teams (including us) spent over two hours trying to organise a mode of transport to our accommodation post-competition. After the event, while most organisers had already left the venue, there was one organiser who was at the venue who, after we finally located them, dismissively told us ‘to walk down the street and you’ll find one’. After we spent almost an hour trying to hail a taxi unsuccessfully, when we returned to the venue to locate a member of the committee or a liaison to give us a hand or suggest alternatives, we were told that everyone had already left.


The difficulty in finding a mode of transport home was not the only issue, a number of our team members were subjected to inappropriate comments and actions from an intoxicated crowd in the area while trying to organise our team’s way to our hotel. After two and half hours, some of our team members were able to share a taxi with another team (thank you guys!) however the rest of the team had to catch the tram with their khunde, saaps and costumes still on, to the city.

Interstate teams do not know the area that the competition was held in. We believe that it is the responsibility of the organising committee to either organise a number of taxi’s to pick teams up or at the very least suggest prior to competition means by which teams can get one.


Judges:
Prior to competition there was mention of only two judges, Rami Hay and Ashish Sharma. On competition day there was a third judge, Dr Rasna, who had not been mentioned.

There was no consistency in the feedback we received from the judges. As a new growing team, our focus is improving on the feedback we receive at these competitions. However this becomes extremely difficult when firstly, we are given 3 entirely different views from each of the judges and secondly, there are subjective comments such as, ‘your jhoomar is weird, don’t ask me why, but it’s just weird’, given. This is a competition, with a formalised rubric, so we feel as if our feedback should be given in an objective manner with constructive criticism not nonchalant opinions and thoughts.

We feel as though feedback from the judges should’ve been given collectively. We understand that each judge has differing opinions, however, as a judging panel who is deciding placings as a ‘unit’, they should be giving feedback in the same way.



We hope that the committee takes each team’s feedback on board to ensure improved competitions in the future
 

CanberraBhangraJammers

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CBJ Review Bhangra Down Under (BDU) 2015

Below is the feedback on CBJ’s experience of BDU 2015, we would like to emphasise it is feedback and not to be taken negatively in any way but assist the committee in improving the event for the future.

Mixer night:
- When announcing teams on the night, the MC forgot to introduce CBJ. Haneri Punjab Di pointed it out (Thankyou girls!) and the MC’s response was ‘Oh and Canberra’. We may be new to the competition scene but this was plain embarrassing.

- Team captains were called to the dance floor as dinner was served for a debrief of the schedule for the competition day and talk to the DJ. A lot of time was wasted waiting for people to come. By the time the conversation had finished so had the food. For an event running for 3 years consecutively, it was unexpected that the food would run out. We, like other teams were forced to purchase food for the night. Overall, the location was good, but catering did not meet the requirements of the night.

Competition day:

Change rooms:
- Although we have a team of 10, smaller than other teams that were competing; a decent sized change room is essential. We were assigned a room labelled ‘Production Room’ which was far from big enough to accommodate the team and our props. This resulted in some of our team members having to utilise the bathrooms to get ready.

Tech Rehearsals:
- Teams were allocated tech rehearsal times on Friday at the mixer event. We were informed that our assigned time was 12.20. However on the day we were quite rudely pushed to have our tech rehearsal at an earlier time by a BDU representative. It had clearly been stated that each team had to be ready for the tech rehearsal. After firmly saying that our tech rehearsal time is at 12.20 and we would be ready at that time, the BDU representative agreed.

Lighting Sheets:
- The lighting sheets were submitted a week before as requested by the organisers. To our surprise the lighting person received the sheets the morning of the competition and was going to memorise the visual cues and lighting requirements for all 10 teams during tech rehearsals [despite the fact track times were provided]. This is completely unrealistic. The person had no knowledge of the dance form or the language, therefore describing the formations/song or what’s happening on stage was useless. Our lighting effect during the daang segment was crucial to our routine however, the desired effect was not achieved - the timing was completely off, thus affecting our performance.

Post competition feedback:
- When it was time to announce results; a 3rd Judge was introduced. We were told there were 2 judges Rami Hay and Ashish Sharma. Skype sessions were held with both Rami and Ashish present, and it had not been mentioned there would be a 3rd judge.

- Feedback varied amongst all three judges. Dr. Rasna provided us with positive feedback and areas we need to further improve on, ending with encouraging words. Ashish provided constructive feedback too along with personal opinions. Rami on the other hand did not have anything positive to say, only pointed out faults.

- A comment from Ashish regarding our skateboard gimmick (video hasn’t been released yet by GTV) was, ‘I personally did not like it, but I’m picky with gimmicks’, was not constructive criticism or considered feedback. What would’ve been a lot more helpful and constructive was what elements added to the routine, what took away from the routine, what we need to improve on etc. We are still a new team and looking to improve based on the feedback provided by the judges. Personal opinion doesn’t hold much value for us to improve because our routines are created based on a formalised rubric, and are judged on the criterion specified.

Liaison:
- A special mention to Jasdeep, our team liaison who communicated well and replied promptly.

Overall the competition was an enjoyable experience, these are a few points that CBJ feels will contribute to improving the event in the future.

Regards,
CBJ
 

Raminder

One team, one dream.
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CanberraBhangraJammers said:
Rami on the other hand did not have anything positive to say, only pointed out faults.

Just to clarify, I complimented your gimmick. If you would like more positive feedback I can rewatch your video.
 
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