Shan E Punjab Arts Club @ Motor City Bhangra 2014 (GTVHD)

[singhk1]

And to add on the song selection was absolutely on point 100%

 

[Sue Sylvester]

LOL and your an authority figure? Hahahaha Hardeep Singh, you my friend are the prime example of whats wrong with this site ie: full time btf thugs who dont dance or have ever dance and hop on teams rosters and somehow think they have credibility/authority to judge teams. Just because you go to every comp and tie peoples pagga doesnt mean your some authoritative figure of bhangra. I've danced at some of the biggest comps in the circuit for 4 years (Elite, Bruin, WBBC) , I think i know what im talking about since I ACTUALLY HAVE DANCED SWEETIE. my critique of shan e was honest, ie my username (im glad you thought it was cute), just becuase i didnt like the set doesnt mean i discredit the team. I know what shan e's capable of, i just didnt think they brought there full A game to this one. I thought the lip singing was way overdone and plaid out. Again, its my opnion and im entitled to it. im sorry it made you mad. you can go back to playing with your little plastic shikkay now.

The Honest Truth - honestly, pick one.

1. Be anonymous. Have people question your identity, your qualifications and your intentions. Be okay with the possibility that people may not take you or your opinion seriously due to your anonymity and your unknown qualifications to post.

2. Don't be anonymous. Let people know who you are and what your qualifications are. And then be able to stand behind your opinion in real life.

It's one thing to have a screen name that is different from your real name. There could be multiple reasons for that - SEO management, jobs, arranged marriage potentials googling your name, misplaced trust in a TV show that kept on getting worse and worse and good old fashion trolling. In my case, I am upfront about who I am, what I've done in the circuit and I always stand behind my opinions in person. (Though, it always hits the spot to I hear "Oh, wait, you're Sue Sylvester?") However, it's another thing to have self-aggrandizing name like "The Honest Truth", claim to be qualified (while shooting down and ridiculing others for not being as qualified) and then avoid and ignore questions asking for your identity and your own qualifications.

 

[Archana]

Ya Shan E brings it every comp and they did get 2nd place, so the judges obviously saw something they liked. Songs were pretty dope, don't know what Honest Truth or Archana are talking about..

Never said anything about the song selection, it was about the set in general

 

[The Honest Truth]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess he was on BK since he mentioned elite 8, bruin and WBBC.

.....no. Not even close if you really wanna know. Over my 4 years in the circuit I've been blessed to be given the chance to be able to dance at the biggest comps in the circuit for a multitude of teams. (Im kinda called a bhangra whore) The friends I've made as well as memories will stick with me forever. I simply made this page out of no bad intentions and a way to give a team an 'honest' critique or an area where i feel like they can improve on. Go look at my previous posts, if a team kills it i give them they respect and praise they deserve. I got upset when this Hardeep Singh tried to be some kinda of cyber thug and started to say stuff like "shan e doesnt give 2 fucks whether you like there song choice or not". Tu salaa shan e the public ambassador ban gaya? GOOD TEAMS CAN STILL
BE CRITIQUED BTF, ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IF A USER GIVES AN OPINION WITH NO MALICIOUS INTENT. I'll end it at that.

 

[Archana]

Guys just drop it. This forum is completely opinionated, so its up the to the team to take the critique personally or not. The honest truth is giving his opinion just as everyone else does. No need to go bashing people on it, in regards to anyone. People should critique/give opinions on sets more often actually, it helps teams a ton!

 

[hardeep_singh]

Guys just drop it. This forum is completely opinionated, so its up the to the team to take the critique personally or not. The honest truth is giving his opinion just as everyone else does. No need to go bashing people on it, in regards to anyone. People should critique/give opinions on sets more often actually, it helps teams a ton!

should people give unsolicited critiques and opinions more often? after a performance teams get feedback from judges, they get feedback from trusted peers, they watch their performance repeatedly and analyze everything themselves. is it really necessary for teams to have to deal with "constructive feedback" on btf from random anonymous users who deem themselves to have a superior understanding of bhangra? i mean what do i know, i've never danced on stage before, or repeatedly watched fuck ups i've had in performances, or been annoyed at shitty choreo i was forced to dance to, or been disappointed by the lack of execution of a performance. the best critics are the dancers themselves, any dancer who has a passion for bhangra will watch their performances and know what they need to improve on, that's their responsibility to themselves. so unless a team actively expresses their desire to receive btf feedback i honestly hope dancers out there give 0 fucks about what is posted on this site. if a team does want feedback i'd hope btf users would be competent enough to provide proper feedback along the lines of what sue posted as compared to the weak sauce bs posted by "the honest truth". lol but what do i know, i've just been trying to be a BTF thug since day 1

 

[mrchicity]

should people give unsolicited critiques and opinions more often? after a performance teams get feedback from judges, they get feedback from trusted peers, they watch their performance repeatedly and analyze everything themselves. is it really necessary for teams to have to deal with "constructive feedback" on btf from random anonymous users who deem themselves to have a superior understanding of bhangra?

This is actually kinda interesting, not because of the drama in the posts above, but because it's not like SEP is asking for feedback from BTF. There are usually plenty of teams which post their own videos and actually ask for feedback, but these days with GTV going to EVERY single bhangra competition and posting videos automatically, is it even appropriate to give this level of critical feedback here? If a team is offering up their own video to critiques, I think that other people should definitely give all ranges of criticism, but without that invitation from a team for such feedback it would be kinda weird to try to provide it. Just some food for thought, I think we all (myself included) got into the habit of giving constructive criticism and advice to teams whenever videos are posted, but what if they simply don't want it? If we're not the ones judging them in the comp and they don't want our input, who are we to try to force it upon them?

 

[singhk1]

I honestly could not Disagree more with any of these critiques They're absolutely ridiculous this set was amazing and I said that already and stand by it Best music set this year

 

[venividivici]

should people give unsolicited critiques and opinions more often? after a performance teams get feedback from judges, they get feedback from trusted peers, they watch their performance repeatedly and analyze everything themselves. is it really necessary for teams to have to deal with "constructive feedback" on btf from random anonymous users who deem themselves to have a superior understanding of bhangra?

This is actually kinda interesting, not because of the drama in the posts above, but because it's not like SEP is asking for feedback from BTF. There are usually plenty of teams which post their own videos and actually ask for feedback, but these days with GTV going to EVERY single bhangra competition and posting videos automatically, is it even appropriate to give this level of critical feedback here? If a team is offering up their own video to critiques, I think that other people should definitely give all ranges of criticism, but without that invitation from a team for such feedback it would be kinda weird to try to provide it. Just some food for thought, I think we all (myself included) got into the habit of giving constructive criticism and advice to teams whenever videos are posted, but what if they simply don't want it? If we're not the ones judging them in the comp and they don't want our input, who are we to try to force it upon them?

I wouldn't really say posting what you think about a set is forcing feedback upon anyone. BTF is a public forum and its made for people to talk amongst each other and give their opinions. At the same time, Shan-e-Punjab or any other team for that matter isn't bound to give a **** about what anyone has to say.

Just another thought, posting feedback on a video, even if that particular team isn't concerned with constructive criticism, can help other teams in the circuit. Seeing what people liked and didn't like in another team's set can potentially be just as helpful as a critique of your own set.


Edit: Btw I was a fan of the set and song-selection personally, but like others have said the acting/lip-syncing gimmicks were kinda overdone. Its also time to retire that Hurr segment! Lol

 

[Ashveer]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess he was on BK since he mentioned elite 8, bruin and WBBC.

.....no. Not even close if you really wanna know. Over my 4 years in the circuit I've been blessed to be given the chance to be able to dance at the biggest comps in the circuit for a multitude of teams. (Im kinda called a bhangra whore) The friends I've made as well as memories will stick with me forever. I simply made this page out of no bad intentions and a way to give a team an 'honest' critique or an area where i feel like they can improve on. Go look at my previous posts, if a team kills it i give them they respect and praise they deserve. I got upset when this Hardeep Singh tried to be some kinda of cyber thug and started to say stuff like "shan e doesnt give 2 fucks whether you like there song choice or not". Tu salaa shan e the public ambassador ban gaya? GOOD TEAMS CAN STILL
BE CRITIQUED BTF, ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IF A USER GIVES AN OPINION WITH NO MALICIOUS INTENT. I'll end it at that.

Its a shame that 4 years on the circuit didn't teach you that caps lock is not cruise control for cool.


What you haven't grasped is that the institutionalization of the circuit is predicated on a Punjabi aesthetic that demarcates boundaries, and if the community feels like those boundaries are pushed, it pushes right back. Part of bhangra's foundation is based on imagined expertise in the first place. The uncles who fashioned themselves as ustaads/experts in the states didn't really have a clue what they were doing, since a generation or two before them, bhangra didn't exist. The trick is sedimenting that imagined expertise...


Allah Jaane will always have more cachet than disappearing khunde. The former draws on a cultural repertoire that is familiar to the majority of dancers on the circuit and the 'serious' transnational audience, contra the latter which can be seen anywhere, from a hindi film dance competition to my cousin Arjun's 8th bday party. What I'm trying to parse out here is the difference between folks who are casual bhangra consumers (your imagined public) and those who are more committed to it/pay attention to it as an aesthetic form (your interlocutors on btf).

 

[faizan]

Part of bhangra's foundation is based on imagined expertise in the first place. The uncles who fashioned themselves as ustaads/experts in the states didn't really have a clue what they were doing, since a generation or two before them, bhangra didn't exist.

YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES.

 

[mrchicity]

Part of bhangra's foundation is based on imagined expertise in the first place. The uncles who fashioned themselves as ustaads/experts in the states didn't really have a clue what they were doing, since a generation or two before them, bhangra didn't exist.

YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES.

You could say that about any art form though. When you are the progenitors of anything new, of course any expertise is going to be imagined. What's the difference between the first bhangra 'ustaads' and the first bboys, or the first ballet dancers? Maybe we're both taking Ashveer's quote out of context, but that statement by itself doesn't really mean much.

 

[amancheema]

Allah Jaane will always have more cachet than disappearing khunde. The former draws on a cultural repertoire that is familiar to the majority of dancers on the circuit and the 'serious' transnational audience, contra the latter which can be seen anywhere, from a hindi film dance competition to my cousin Arjun's 8th bday party.

+1

 

[Sue Sylvester]

I honestly could not Disagree more with any of these critiques They're absolutely ridiculous this set was amazing and I said that already and stand by it Best music set this year

I remember when my younger brother saw his first movie in a movie theater forever ago. He loved the movie, but he was actually just raving about was how big the screen was and how loud the audio was. It was simply a new experience for him and he wasn't able to truly appreciate the actual movie. Someone older, who may have seen a lot more movies could have also loved the movie, but when asked, would probably be able to articulate about what they specifically liked about the movie and what they appreciated about the plot, the cast, the acting, the dialogue, the sfx, the characters, the pacing, the direction, the cinematography, the scenes, the symbolism and message. Someone who thought the movie could have been better would have had a much more intelligent discussion with the latter person than a toddler.

 

[KPS0NE]

I honestly could not Disagree more with any of these critiques They're absolutely ridiculous this set was amazing and I said that already and stand by it Best music set this year

I remember when my younger brother saw his first movie in a movie theater forever ago. He loved the movie, but he was actually just raving about was how big the screen was and how loud the audio was. It was simply a new experience for him and he wasn't able to truly appreciate the actual movie. Someone older, who may have seen a lot more movies could have also loved the movie, but when asked, would probably be able to articulate about what they specifically liked about the movie and what they appreciated about the plot, the cast, the acting, the dialogue, the sfx, the characters, the pacing, the direction, the cinematography, the scenes, the symbolism and message. Someone who thought the movie could have been better would have had a much more intelligent discussion with the latter person than a toddler.

So... basically this is the first bhangra video he's ever seen?

 

[singhk1]

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[SGupta7]

should people give unsolicited critiques and opinions more often? after a performance teams get feedback from judges, they get feedback from trusted peers, they watch their performance repeatedly and analyze everything themselves. is it really necessary for teams to have to deal with "constructive feedback" on btf from random anonymous users who deem themselves to have a superior understanding of bhangra?

This is actually kinda interesting, not because of the drama in the posts above, but because it's not like SEP is asking for feedback from BTF. There are usually plenty of teams which post their own videos and actually ask for feedback, but these days with GTV going to EVERY single bhangra competition and posting videos automatically, is it even appropriate to give this level of critical feedback here? If a team is offering up their own video to critiques, I think that other people should definitely give all ranges of criticism, but without that invitation from a team for such feedback it would be kinda weird to try to provide it. Just some food for thought, I think we all (myself included) got into the habit of giving constructive criticism and advice to teams whenever videos are posted, but what if they simply don't want it? If we're not the ones judging them in the comp and they don't want our input, who are we to try to force it upon them?

I guess what I'm wondering is, why are we being so sensitive about getting feedback? We're all (presumably) adults and we should be able to read a post and weed through what we think is bullshit and what we think is important.


Yes, lately BTF is becoming crowded with critiques and hate, but why are we telling ourselves that we are so good that only a judge can weigh in on our set. Guess what? The majority of judges are on BTF and they watch these videos. And if you watch videos, you're probably making mental notes of things you like and didn't like anyway. So why not post them on a public forum so that anyone who reads it can decide whether it matters to them or not?


There's always room to get better. The fact that we're trying to avoid discussion amongst the best bhangra minds in the world is honestly silly and the circuit is going to be worse for it in the long run.


*End Rant*

 

[yraparla]

I would like to point out that Shan-E has NOT posted yet in the thread. So it's not the 'team' which is pushing against feedback, but other users.

You liked a set? Let the team know.
You didn't like a set? Let the team know.
You didn't like what someone had to say about the set? Just post a simple response and move on. Or contact the person directly.


This thread is doing nothing for Shan-E and drawing their name into a discussion they're not having.


It's a public forum so anyone can post w/e opinion they have, unsolicited or not. Teams can take it or leave it

 

[mrchicity]

should people give unsolicited critiques and opinions more often? after a performance teams get feedback from judges, they get feedback from trusted peers, they watch their performance repeatedly and analyze everything themselves. is it really necessary for teams to have to deal with "constructive feedback" on btf from random anonymous users who deem themselves to have a superior understanding of bhangra?

This is actually kinda interesting, not because of the drama in the posts above, but because it's not like SEP is asking for feedback from BTF. There are usually plenty of teams which post their own videos and actually ask for feedback, but these days with GTV going to EVERY single bhangra competition and posting videos automatically, is it even appropriate to give this level of critical feedback here? If a team is offering up their own video to critiques, I think that other people should definitely give all ranges of criticism, but without that invitation from a team for such feedback it would be kinda weird to try to provide it. Just some food for thought, I think we all (myself included) got into the habit of giving constructive criticism and advice to teams whenever videos are posted, but what if they simply don't want it? If we're not the ones judging them in the comp and they don't want our input, who are we to try to force it upon them?

I guess what I'm wondering is, why are we being so sensitive about getting feedback? We're all (presumably) adults and we should be able to read a post and weed through what we think is bullshit and what we think is important.


Yes, lately BTF is becoming crowded with critiques and hate, but why are we telling ourselves that we are so good that only a judge can weigh in on our set. Guess what? The majority of judges are on BTF and they watch these videos. And if you watch videos, you're probably making mental notes of things you like and didn't like anyway. So why not post them on a public forum so that anyone who reads it can decide whether it matters to them or not?


There's always room to get better. The fact that we're trying to avoid discussion amongst the best bhangra minds in the world is honestly silly and the circuit is going to be worse for it in the long run.


*End Rant*

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. When teams themselves post a video on a public forum, they're openly asking for feedback. But what if they're not looking for any feedback and their video gets posted anyway? This doesn't necessarily have to do with Shan-e Punjab, but just a hypothetical situation. It's not that people shouldn't critique them, no matter how good they are, but how much merit is there relative to giving feedback to a team that wants it and will do something with it? It was just an interesting thought, nothing more.

 

[siddyp]

Someone who thought the movie could have been better would have had a much more intelligent discussion with the latter person than a toddler.

Or maybe the part when the toddler does susu on the more intelligent persons face would be more fitting

He's asking you to explain why you feel that this was the best music set this year.