The Bhangra Empire Phenomenon

[AnkurK]

It was till like 07-08 when traditional bhangra was done, now every team can be considered modern, going by their style. A team can only be considered traditional today by how they execute their actions, not what they do in their routine.

well said jabar

 

[Arjun Barua]

I think that often times, the concept of why we dance is lost. We dance to entertain. Modern teams just seem to understand that better.

Hmmm bold statement. But you're entitled your opinion. For me, that's certainly not the main reason why I dance...

I dance because it's something I enjoy whether or not someone is watching. Practices for me are just as fun as performing on stage in front of an audience.

Who's with me?

I know the farmers of Punjab are, along with these guys:

http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/post-mixes-and-video-links/rooh-punjab-dee-12467/

 

[Ashveer]

I think that often times, the concept of why we dance is lost. We dance to entertain. Modern teams just seem to understand that better.

I know the farmers of Punjab are, along with these guys:

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

 

[Arjun Barua]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

 

[Ashveer]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

 

[Arjun Barua]

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

Please enlighten me, kind sir. Who was involved in the history of bhangra?

 

[Sgill93]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), [/size]بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

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[Ashveer]

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

Please enlighten me, kind sir. Who was involved in the history of bhangra?

Everyone. A lot of the people who helped codify it into "bhangra" post partition were low-caste non-farmers (See Garib Dass). Sure, Punjab is primarily agricultural so obviously a lot of people doing fok dances would be farmers, but they wouldn't be doing bhangra. They'd be doing whatever folk dance was endogamous to their region. Homies in patiala didn't know what sialkot (the "move" not the place) was until after partition.

 

[Ashveer]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), [/size]بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

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[/size]"[/size]Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"
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Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

 

[Avneet]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), [/size]بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

[/size]"[/size]While Bhangra began as a part of harvest festival celebrations, it eventually became a part of such diverse occasions as weddings and New Year celebrations"
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[/size]"[/size]Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"
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[font=verdana, sans-serif][/size]Its been commonly accepted that bhangra began in the khetha during the harvesting periods. just sayinn[/font]

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Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

I heart Ashu.

 

[Sgill93]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

"While Bhangra began as a part of harvest festival celebrations, it eventually became a part of such diverse occasions as weddings and New Year celebrations"

"Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"


Its been commonly accepted that bhangra began in the khetha during the harvesting periods. just sayinn

Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

i know its just wikipedia but i hope you understand what im trying to say. you could be right, i was just saying that bhangra originating from the fields is what has been commonly accepted and claimed.

 

[Arjun Barua]

A lot of the people who helped codify it into "bhangra" post partition were low-caste non-farmers (See Garib Dass). Sure, Punjab is primarily agricultural so obviously a lot of people doing fok dances would be farmers, but they wouldn't be doing bhangra. They'd be doing whatever folk dance was endogamous to their region. Homies in patiala didn't know what sialkot (the "move" not the place) was until after partition.

OK, you're probably right on all counts, but you're completely missing the point I made, and seemingly arguing for argument's sake.


It doesn't matter whether they were doing bhangra, hip hop, swing, or salsa. The point is they danced for enjoyment. Not to put on a show.

 

[Ashveer]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

"While Bhangra began as a part of harvest festival celebrations, it eventually became a part of such diverse occasions as weddings and New Year celebrations"

"Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"


Its been commonly accepted that bhangra began in the khetha during the harvesting periods. just sayinn

Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

i know its just wikipedia but i hope you understand what im trying to say. you could be right, i was just saying that bhangra originating from the fields is what has been commonly accepted and claimed.

@Sgill I know what you're trying to say, I don't live under a rock, I know what people think. Less than 35% of Americans also can't correctly identify the President as a Christian, so I'm not necessarily keen on ideas that are generally claimed and accepted. I believe the accounts of people who have researched the topic, gone to the field, asked tough questions and have been rigorous in their analysis given the data present both in the archives and in the khethan. The people who wrote that article on wikipedia? Not so much. While wiki is a great resource for doing quick brushing up on things like the general history of a country, there is a reason that Mr. Jones simply wont let you cite it as a source in your history class.

@BRRUAH I see your point about dancing for the hell of it and agree with it, but I don't think that trying to correct an incorrect assumption about something we all care about so much should be considered arguing. Yee.

@FahadKhan I have a surprise for you.

@Avneeto I have a bigger one for you. Watch your email.

 

[Kush]

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

Please enlighten me, kind sir. Who was involved in the history of bhangra?

Everyone. A lot of the people who helped codify it into "bhangra" post partition were low-caste non-farmers (See Garib Dass). Sure, Punjab is primarily agricultural so obviously a lot of people doing fok dances would be farmers, but they wouldn't be doing bhangra. They'd be doing whatever folk dance was endogamous to their region. Homies in patiala didn't know what sialkot (the "move" not the place) was until after partition.

Sorry ashveer, you lost me way before the sarcasm about wikipedia. Obviously not a resource indicative of truth, but nor are any of your statements (with all due respect). I'm not pretending to have the answer, but please elaborate on how, since bhangra was a nonexistent dance made up of the congregation of a multitude of local dances, it adopted this "farmer" myth? How, all in all, did it originate? maybe not under the name bhangra? maybe looking NOTHING like we have in recorded history? my understanding based on little knowledge is that even if bhangra in its "traditional form" was never performed at length or in consistency as it is today, some elements must have existed, compartmentalized into its different originas. Now if im from pind X and your from pind y, dating back to before when you say bhangra was essentially formed, and, in celebration, revelry, and for the sake of entertainment, i do the "go-to" dance from my region, am i not, in its most basic form, dancing bhangra??? Unless youre saying that people just never danced, in which i'd have to point out the ludicrous nature of such an argument. I guess, in short, i'm asking you to elaborate, because youre one line responses are simply HINTING at a deeper understanding of the roots of our beloved dance, rather than actually demonstrating that comprehension. gratzi.


Now to answer Arjun Barua's "who is with me" question. Dude... you KNOW i am. A. i dont dance to entertain, i dance because i love to dance. The fact that i entertain with my dance is just something that adds pleasure to the experience. B. WHere in god's name does a statement like "modern teams understand that better" come from? Because they go far outside what the traditional borders are to do anything to make a crowd respond? Next time i'm on stage, i'll pull a rabbitt out of a hat! thats entertaining right? magic?... The goal is to entertain WITHIN THE CONFINES OF YOUR CRAFT, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE USING SAID CRAFT TO... ENTERTAIN. lol circular statement but it still make sense. If i'm going to entertain you with magic, i'm not going to get on stage and start singing/acting... because i'm a MAGICIAN. if i'm a bhangra dancer, i should be entertaining you with BHANGRA... not (insert reference to any modern gimmick that people here love to hate on, i could care less which). Again, i LOVE modern bhangra for alot of what it brings, and have respect for its creativity, performance, everything. But please do not insult me or my taste/performance by saying that those people who choose a certain form REMEMBER to entertain better than i do. Maybe dumb and dumber makes you laugh. It's entertaining. Me? I prefer Extras, Modern Family, or some completely different characterization. And people who have that appreciation as well, WILL BE ENTERTAINED.


wowza. i think that fills my quota for the day. Much love everyone

 

[Kush]

^ shiet, that kush kid can't type for his life. so many spelling mistakes.

 

[Yankee Saini]

i get to hear people's "bak bak" for even writing a paragraph N' here folks been writing like there's no tomorrow :

 

[Gurbir23]

i get to hear people's "bak bak" for even writing a paragraph N' here folks been writing like there's no tomorrow :

you called the guy a douchebag and then disrespected his parents for the way they raised him....people are going to "bak bak" about that

 

[Yankee Saini]

i get to hear people's "bak bak" for even writing a paragraph N' here folks been writing like there's no tomorrow :

you called the guy a douchebag and then disrespected his parents for the way they raised him....people are going to "bak bak" about that

veere, you only noticed me calling him a "douche-bag or disrespecting his parents" . . . but you couldn't notice what he said about the "pagg" . . . eh gall sahi aa yaar . . . tusi samjauna tan ki aa kisey nu yaar, par uppron tusi ohdi side lai rahe aa hahaha i guess it don't really matter if person disrespects the pagg by calling pagg just a piece of "cloth" but the only thing that matters would be 'I'M calling someone a "douche-bag"

 

[Sgill93]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

"While Bhangra began as a part of harvest festival celebrations, it eventually became a part of such diverse occasions as weddings and New Year celebrations"

"Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"


Its been commonly accepted that bhangra began in the khetha during the harvesting periods. just sayinn

Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

i know its just wikipedia but i hope you understand what im trying to say. you could be right, i was just saying that bhangra originating from the fields is what has been commonly accepted and claimed.

@Sgill I know what you're trying to say, I don't live under a rock, I know what people think. Less than 35% of Americans also can't correctly identify the President as a Christian, so I'm not necessarily keen on ideas that are generally claimed and accepted. I believe the accounts of people who have researched the topic, gone to the field, asked tough questions and have been rigorous in their analysis given the data present both in the archives and in the khethan. The people who wrote that article on wikipedia? Not so much. While wiki is a great resource for doing quick brushing up on things like the general history of a country, there is a reason that Mr. Jones simply wont let you cite it as a source in your history class.

@BRRUAH I see your point about dancing for the hell of it and agree with it, but I don't think that trying to correct an incorrect assumption about something we all care about so much should be considered arguing. Yee.

@FahadKhan I have a surprise for you.

@Avneeto I have a bigger one for you. Watch your email.

the implications of what i said were not to challenge your knowledge, just seemed like you completely ignored that the whole belief was true to alot of people. and i understand wiki isnt a superb source but i knew it had the content i was looking for in the time being. just wanted to be informative

 

[Ashveer]

The farmers of Punjab bit is part of the imaginary of bhangra that we've created. Go to a pind in Punjab right and I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find a bunch of farmers doing bhangra for fun as we're discussing it. Plus many of them will be Bihari anyway.

OK, so I actually meant the farmers of bygone eras. My usage of tense wasn't indicative of that.

Not trying to be an asshole, not so much. The farmers of bygone eras didn't have bhangra in the first place. But its fun to think they did.

"Bhaṅgṛā (Punjabi: ਭੰਗੜਾ (Gurmukhi), بھنگڑا (Shahmukhi),; pronounced [pə̀ŋɡɽaː]) is a form of dance and music that originated in the Punjab region.[1] Bhangra dance began as a folk dance conducted byPunjabi Sikh farmers to celebrate the coming of the harvest season".

"While Bhangra began as a part of harvest festival celebrations, it eventually became a part of such diverse occasions as weddings and New Year celebrations"

"Bhangra is a Punjabi folk dance which is massively popular all across the world. Historically, Bhangra was celebrated during the harvest festival of Baisakhi in Punjab"


Its been commonly accepted that bhangra began in the khetha during the harvesting periods. just sayinn

Dang it! Wikipedia is always right.

i know its just wikipedia but i hope you understand what im trying to say. you could be right, i was just saying that bhangra originating from the fields is what has been commonly accepted and claimed.

@Sgill I know what you're trying to say, I don't live under a rock, I know what people think. Less than 35% of Americans also can't correctly identify the President as a Christian, so I'm not necessarily keen on ideas that are generally claimed and accepted. I believe the accounts of people who have researched the topic, gone to the field, asked tough questions and have been rigorous in their analysis given the data present both in the archives and in the khethan. The people who wrote that article on wikipedia? Not so much. While wiki is a great resource for doing quick brushing up on things like the general history of a country, there is a reason that Mr. Jones simply wont let you cite it as a source in your history class.

@BRRUAH I see your point about dancing for the hell of it and agree with it, but I don't think that trying to correct an incorrect assumption about something we all care about so much should be considered arguing. Yee.

@FahadKhan I have a surprise for you.

@Avneeto I have a bigger one for you. Watch your email.

the implications of what i said were not to challenge your knowledge, just seemed like you completely ignored that the whole belief was true to alot of people. and i understand wiki isnt a superb source but i knew it had the content i was looking for in the time being. just wanted to be informative

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