The Rebirth of Fake Khunde

[kinnell]

I'm all up in the fundraising trust me... but we have club regulations and all that ish we have to abide by, and Cuse aint fordham lol. Petitioning to the school is next on my list.. but like thats like a huge process. But thanks for the input

We're not saying making money is easy, just saying that university teams don't have it harder than independent teams to maintain a steady cash flow. The perks and cons are unique, but in the end it evens out. And like Joseph's amazing bake sale for drunkards idea, get creative, my friend. If your school has regulations, then don't use the team's name. As long as your team does the work, it seems logical that the proceeds go to the team. Club events, sponsorships, bake sales, valentines day roses, workshops..etc are all ways to make best use of a campus to make some extra money for your team outside of club funding to..... umm.. buy real khundey!

 

[SOBhangra]

its on the list. i had to rebuild the team from the ground up this year But just so you know, I'm auctioning off my bhangra boys for v-day dates. dolla dolla bills y'all.

 

[Kush]

Thanks for the response govind... Any other judges care to chime it? I'm under the impression or it just seems to me that, yes, judges may PREFER to see real khunde, but if "they can't tell" it doesn't really matter. Or, another perspective, that if team x is using fake khunde, their segment should be that much more difficult and higher expectations should be made. Now it is my belief that these days, excitement matters mroe than most technical aspects, at least thats what alot of placings have shown. What i mean by that, in this instance, is say Team A uses real khunde and does a decent, respectable khunde segment. Team B uses fake ones and does a crazy, thrilling segment... Team B is remember. Thus the favor falls in to using fake khunde because a) its easier b) it makes more of an impact as a segment which --> c) leads to better points/better impression with the judges. I think a khunde segment with real ones has to be an 8/10 on the difficulty scale to even come to mind when compared to a 10/10 with fake khunde.

am i making sense still?

 

[Kartik]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

 

[A Singh23]

I'm all up in the fundraising trust me... but we have club regulations and all that ish we have to abide by, and Cuse aint fordham lol. Petitioning to the school is next on my list.. but like thats like a huge process. But thanks for the input

We're not saying making money is easy, just saying that university teams don't have it harder than independent teams to maintain a steady cash flow. The perks and cons are unique, but in the end it evens out. And like Joseph's amazing bake sale for drunkards idea, get creative, my friend. If your school has regulations, then don't use the team's name. As long as your team does the work, it seems logical that the proceeds go to the team. Club events, sponsorships, bake sales, valentines day roses, workshops..etc are all ways to make best use of a campus to make some extra money for your team outside of club funding to..... umm.. buy real khundey!

What are the perks and cons for independent vs. university teams?
I agree that fundraising is a plus, and i admit our team has not exploited that method to its fullest, but most of the time you've got to get the team to drop a good amount. For example, of the 12 dancers on the team this year, with no alternates, 4 will be on the team next year. How many independent teams have lost 66% of their dancers after one season? It happens MUCH more frequently with university teams. And honestly I believe many university teams have some dancers that really do not hold much love for bhangra. They happened to join because their school has it and competitions have afterparties, but for an independent team, its more for the enjoyment and thus I believe more in their interest to invest in such props.

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

 

[Mukandpuria]

real khunde ftw

 

[Cherag]

Kush I am so glad that you made a post about this because I was just having a discussion with a few guys asking them whether or not judges still take into consideration the traditionally in every element (especially khunde) in a segment. Also I feel that if you put in a good amount of time, and attempt to talk the right people in the "bhangra world" you should have no real problem to find lightweight khunde at an extremely reasonable price. Last time I got khunde they were at 100 rs. a piece, that's like two dollars. Now granted shipping will take it's toll, but I feel that if your a true devotee of bhangra haha that investing extra time into doing things the more traditional way can't hurt at all and moreover will be beneficial if judges are taking this topic into consideration.

 

[SOBhangra]

. And honestly I believe many university teams have some dancers that really do not hold much love for bhangra. They happened to join because their school has it and competitions have afterparties, but for an independent team, its more for the enjoyment and thus I believe more in their interest to invest in such props.




I don't believe that's true. If you join a team you have to have some interest and love for bhangra. It may have to grow over a semester or you decide it's not for you, but most of my team has got bhangra in their blood now. That being said, it was a given we invested in some props to dance with, simply because everyone had the desire to learn, the "love" for bhangra as you say. Sure there's the fun of competitions and afterparties, but as far as my team is concerned, its irrelevant compared to just coming to practice and bringing their all on stage.

 

[gursikhpreet1]

I don't believe that's true. If you join a team you have to have some interest and love for bhangra. It may have to grow over a semester or you decide it's not for you, but most of my team has got bhangra in their blood now. That being said, it was a given we invested in some props to dance with, simply because everyone had the desire to learn, the "love" for bhangra as you say. Sure there's the fun of competitions and afterparties, but as far as my team is concerned, its irrelevant compared to just coming to practice and bringing their all on stage.

agreed, i don't know anyone that would go through rigorous practices and performances just for the afterparties and such- granted, for some university students bhangra might be a hobby, but they still join because they have passion. another thing to keep in mind, many university students are very busy with classes and other college-related activities, yet they are able to commit to bhangra teams- i feel that this shows a lot of love for bhangra.

 

[Kartik]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

Nah, that's not a double standard, I'm saying that if you have the resources to use real khunde, you should be expected to use them. If you fiscally are incapable of having them, it can be understood why you do not use them. The "pansy" label thus applies to people that can use real khunde but instead use fake ones to make it easier to dance, and does not apply to people that simply are unable to procure real khunde regardless of how hard they try.

 

[A Singh23]

I don't believe that's true. If you join a team you have to have some interest and love for bhangra. It may have to grow over a semester or you decide it's not for you, but most of my team has got bhangra in their blood now. That being said, it was a given we invested in some props to dance with, simply because everyone had the desire to learn, the "love" for bhangra as you say. Sure there's the fun of competitions and afterparties, but as far as my team is concerned, its irrelevant compared to just coming to practice and bringing their all on stage.

agreed, i don't know anyone that would go through rigorous practices and performances just for the afterparties and such- granted, for some university students bhangra might be a hobby, but they still join because they have passion. another thing to keep in mind, many university students are very busy with classes and other college-related activities, yet they are able to commit to bhangra teams- i feel that this shows a lot of love for bhangra.

Maybe it's too extreme to say they dont have a love for bhangra, but what I'm getting at is that from what I've seen in terms of University teams there are teammates that don't place bhangra as high on their priority list in regards to spending money on props. My argument clarified is that University teams are more likely to have members that are not willing to put down from props because the money's not worth the authenticity.

 

[itsG]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

Nah, that's not a double standard, I'm saying that if you have the resources to use real khunde, you should be expected to use them. If you fiscally are incapable of having them, it can be understood why you do not use them. The "pansy" label thus applies to people that can use real khunde but instead use fake ones to make it easier to dance, and does not apply to people that simply are unable to procure real khunde regardless of how hard they try.

And how are you able to decide/gain knowledge of who was/was not fiscally capable of securing them or who could not get real khunde for other reasons??

 

[SikhMan]

I used a fake khunda, (pvc pipe), in the 2nd or 3rd grade for a Gurudwara culture program!

 

[Kartik]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

Nah, that's not a double standard, I'm saying that if you have the resources to use real khunde, you should be expected to use them. If you fiscally are incapable of having them, it can be understood why you do not use them. The "pansy" label thus applies to people that can use real khunde but instead use fake ones to make it easier to dance, and does not apply to people that simply are unable to procure real khunde regardless of how hard they try.

And how are you able to decide/gain knowledge of who was/was not fiscally capable of securing them or who could not get real khunde for other reasons??

Well, I highly doubt there is ever a situation where it is of utmost importance whether we figure out if someone is a "pansy" or not. It is clear when elite teams use fake khunde and that's a pansy move, that's all I'm saying.

In the case of judging criteria, using real khunde should be incorporated just like we get points for having traditional costumes (real turle instead of fake ones) without any other restriction. If people don't have the ability to get real turle, or real khunde, or other props, they should understand that those are integral aspects of a bhangra performance.

Judging criteria vs. personal judgments are different. I wouldn't call a team that does not have resources "pansies" for using their best imitation of a real khunda. I would call an elite team "pansies" for using fake khunde. In judging criteria, both would lose points. In my personal view of the team, only the elite would.

 

[Kush]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

Nah, that's not a double standard, I'm saying that if you have the resources to use real khunde, you should be expected to use them. If you fiscally are incapable of having them, it can be understood why you do not use them. The "pansy" label thus applies to people that can use real khunde but instead use fake ones to make it easier to dance, and does not apply to people that simply are unable to procure real khunde regardless of how hard they try.

And how are you able to decide/gain knowledge of who was/was not fiscally capable of securing them or who could not get real khunde for other reasons??

Well, I highly doubt there is ever a situation where it is of utmost importance whether we figure out if someone is a "pansy" or not. It is clear when elite teams use fake khunde and that's a pansy move, that's all I'm saying.

In the case of judging criteria, using real khunde should be incorporated just like we get points for having traditional costumes (real turle instead of fake ones) without any other restriction. If people don't have the ability to get real turle, or real khunde, or other props, they should understand that those are integral aspects of a bhangra performance.

Judging criteria vs. personal judgments are different. I wouldn't call a team that does not have resources "pansies" for using their best imitation of a real khunda. I would call an elite team "pansies" for using fake khunde. In judging criteria, both would lose points. In my personal view of the team, only the elite would.

thats the thing, i dont think judges mind so much anymore.

 

[A Singh23]

If you have no other option, and are forced to use fake khunde because you are at a complete lack of resources, do what you gotta do. But for the elite teams that don't use real full-size khunde, well that's just pansy. I'm proud that both our guys and girls use mad heavy khunde and have to build up the stamina to do the segment.

See now bro, that's a double standard. if you're gonna expect some people to use it, you'd better expect everyone to use it.

Nah, that's not a double standard, I'm saying that if you have the resources to use real khunde, you should be expected to use them. If you fiscally are incapable of having them, it can be understood why you do not use them. The "pansy" label thus applies to people that can use real khunde but instead use fake ones to make it easier to dance, and does not apply to people that simply are unable to procure real khunde regardless of how hard they try.

And how are you able to decide/gain knowledge of who was/was not fiscally capable of securing them or who could not get real khunde for other reasons??

Well, I highly doubt there is ever a situation where it is of utmost importance whether we figure out if someone is a "pansy" or not. It is clear when elite teams use fake khunde and that's a pansy move, that's all I'm saying.

In the case of judging criteria, using real khunde should be incorporated just like we get points for having traditional costumes (real turle instead of fake ones) without any other restriction. If people don't have the ability to get real turle, or real khunde, or other props, they should understand that those are integral aspects of a bhangra performance.

Judging criteria vs. personal judgments are different. I wouldn't call a team that does not have resources "pansies" for using their best imitation of a real khunda. I would call an elite team "pansies" for using fake khunde. In judging criteria, both would lose points. In my personal view of the team, only the elite would.

thats the thing, i dont think judges mind so much anymore.

So now it's a matter of if we, as performers, want judges to care. Seeing as how modern competitions stress creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing, I believe traditional competitions should include the use of real props (khundey) on their score sheet, while modern competitions shouldn't in order to provoke and encourage "creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing" segments.

 

[Kush]

So now it's a matter of if we, as performers, want judges to care. Seeing as how modern competitions stress creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing, I believe traditional competitions should include the use of real props (khundey) on their score sheet, while modern competitions shouldn't in order to provoke and encourage "creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing" segments.

Well said... but how do we emphasize this? its up to competitions to convey their standards, and most don't get that involved.

 

[A Singh23]

So now it's a matter of if we, as performers, want judges to care. Seeing as how modern competitions stress creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing, I believe traditional competitions should include the use of real props (khundey) on their score sheet, while modern competitions shouldn't in order to provoke and encourage "creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing" segments.

Well said... but how do we emphasize this? its up to competitions to convey their standards, and most don't get that involved.

We highlight the significance of traditional competitions. As the use of real vs "fake" props is not on score sheets, we introduce the topic to traditional competitions and attempt to make changes in their judging sheets. If you're (general) acquainted with judges, bring it up with him or her and see what he or she has to say, but if you're (general) like me and not well-connected in the bhangra community, bring it up with committee members. Then they as organizers can discuss and decide whether or not to include it on their score sheet. (Traditional Competitions only).

Whachu thank?

 

[mafzal]

.....can Geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance?

 

[Kartik]

So now it's a matter of if we, as performers, want judges to care. Seeing as how modern competitions stress creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing, I believe traditional competitions should include the use of real props (khundey) on their score sheet, while modern competitions shouldn't in order to provoke and encourage "creativity/gimmicks/crowd-aweing" segments.

Well said... but how do we emphasize this? its up to competitions to convey their standards, and most don't get that involved.

We highlight the significance of traditional competitions. As the use of real vs "fake" props is not on score sheets, we introduce the topic to traditional competitions and attempt to make changes in their judging sheets. If you're (general) acquainted with judges, bring it up with him or her and see what he or she has to say, but if you're (general) like me and not well-connected in the bhangra community, bring it up with committee members. Then they as organizers can discuss and decide whether or not to include it on their score sheet. (Traditional Competitions only).

Whachu thank?

Yea I think that's what'll need to happen. There's definitely a section on most rubric about proper vardi, and there is also one for the use of props (sapp, kato, khunda etc.). Authenticity should just become a factor within a category.