This is just pure DISGUSTING!!!

[gursikhpreet1]

Someone explain to me why that boy in the front walked in all macho and put on his patka.

I was more surprised about the guy in light gray shirt (who was on the left side of this macho guy) he's saying stuff while walking towards the 'raagi jathas' . . . how dumb can a person can? seriously! ???

I heard that both parties are blaming on each other for whatever reasons that they have. Reasons' don't matter! You can have as many reasons you want "but a person should know by all mean that YOU CANNOT FIGHT INSIDE THE DARBAAR HAAL or EVEN AT GURUGHAR." How hard is that to understand?

thanks for showing this article. this is ridiculous- and the fact that this is occurring in the 21st century. utterly disappointing.

 

[Stylez1]

didnt this happen at mayfield gurudwara??

gurudwara fight

 

[J Hayer]

at least this time it wasn't caste-based.

-- oh wait, that brawl already happened like 15 years ago, hence there are multiple gurdwaras in such a close vicinity

 

[mcgulz]

That kid in the light grey shirt shouting stuff walked in with brass knuckles if you look carefully..Can you believe that? These guys were planning to kill someone, just for power, IN the Darbaar hall..disgrace to the Sikh community is a complete understatement...

 

[5abi9jawan]

There was a show on this on Jus Punjabi yesterday. They had previous Pardans and the Pardans were actually saying that the people walking in were the sangat/their people. The people with the chimtas sitting next to the stage were the people of the current Pardan who doesnt want to leave his position. It was funny how they tried to justify this because they said they were going to matha tek when actually they were walking in with broad shoulders and kirpans in their hand.

 

[sonehdataweet]

I agree, This is Pure Disgusting. Why fight over something that gives every sikh a bad name yet alone makes us look stupid.

I really didn't want to post on this thread because my views on religion aren't that religious, and may immensely different from others. However, I will say they should track how much the Pardhan is bringing in. Like Navkarn talked about above, his Gurudwara has everything broken out. Which is something every Gurudwara should have. I know Mandir's down here do but, Gurudwaras- not at all. After this incident I think it is very crucial to look at the Gurudwara's accounts. I'm pretty sure whoever is in charge of accounting for that Gurudwara would have access to that. If there is no accountant, he should have a accountant that may have SOME answers. If he doesn't have an accountant and uses Turbo Tax, I guess that should be looked at. If he is not reporting all the income coming in from the Gurudwara he shouldn't be Pardhan. But the bigger question is, Is he hiding anything? Is he hiding money? Taking money to India in the black? In situations like these it would be smart to audit the Gurudwara accounts, and people who have access to that information. Even though there are many more tax crimes and violations that the IRS can worry about, but still this is as important as any other case. As for taking away the golak it is a smart idea, maybe Pardhans will start being less greedy and true believers will take the position as a pardhan.

 

[J Hayer]

I agree, This is Pure Disgusting. Why fight over something that gives every sikh a bad name yet alone makes us look stupid.

I really didn't want to post on this thread because my views on religion aren't that religious, and may immensely different from others. However, I will say they should track how much the Pardhan is bringing in. Like Navkarn talked about above, his Gurudwara has everything broken out. Which is something every Gurudwara should have. I know Mandir's down here do but, Gurudwaras- not at all. After this incident I think it is very crucial to look at the Gurudwara's accounts. I'm pretty sure whoever is in charge of accounting for that Gurudwara would have access to that. If there is no accountant, he should have a accountant that may have SOME answers. If he doesn't have an accountant and uses Turbo Tax, I guess that should be looked at. If he is not reporting all the income coming in from the Gurudwara he shouldn't be Pardhan. But the bigger question is, Is he hiding anything? Is he hiding money? Taking money to India in the black? In situations like these it would be smart to audit the Gurudwara accounts, and people who have access to that information. Even though there are many more tax crimes and violations that the IRS can worry about, but still this is as important as any other case. As for taking away the golak it is a smart idea, maybe Pardhans will start being less greedy and true believers will take the position as a pardhan.

^good post.

to digress; while not knowing enough about this situation, i don't think it's always about money. there are entire committees and cabinets that are part of such religious infrastructures, not just one president/chairman/etc. I think it goes back to ego and being the big shot leader, a lot of gurdwara leaders are well-off, that's one of the reasons they can put in the time/effort in the job. In this day and age, with so many people involved, it'd have to be some elaborate as hell scheme to siphon enough money to make the effort worth it. Not to say it couldn't be the case, but there's a lot of name brand that goes into becoming a "community leader," whether be in helping along the visas of raagis and preachers from india to meeting famous politicians, organizing etc (especially if you're in an area with a large, densely-populated religious community...such as ny and toronto). I think it has a lot to do with ego and showmanship, too (imo). just my 2cents.

 

[sonehdataweet]

I agree, This is Pure Disgusting. Why fight over something that gives every sikh a bad name yet alone makes us look stupid.

I really didn't want to post on this thread because my views on religion aren't that religious, and may immensely different from others. However, I will say they should track how much the Pardhan is bringing in. Like Navkarn talked about above, his Gurudwara has everything broken out. Which is something every Gurudwara should have. I know Mandir's down here do but, Gurudwaras- not at all. After this incident I think it is very crucial to look at the Gurudwara's accounts. I'm pretty sure whoever is in charge of accounting for that Gurudwara would have access to that. If there is no accountant, he should have a accountant that may have SOME answers. If he doesn't have an accountant and uses Turbo Tax, I guess that should be looked at. If he is not reporting all the income coming in from the Gurudwara he shouldn't be Pardhan. But the bigger question is, Is he hiding anything? Is he hiding money? Taking money to India in the black? In situations like these it would be smart to audit the Gurudwara accounts, and people who have access to that information. Even though there are many more tax crimes and violations that the IRS can worry about, but still this is as important as any other case. As for taking away the golak it is a smart idea, maybe Pardhans will start being less greedy and true believers will take the position as a pardhan.

^good post.

to digress; while not knowing enough about this situation, i don't think it's always about money. there are entire committees and cabinets that are part of such religious infrastructures, not just one president/chairman/etc. I think it goes back to ego and being the big shot leader, a lot of gurdwara leaders are well-off, that's one of the reasons they can put in the time/effort in the job. In this day and age, with so many people involved, it'd have to be some elaborate as hell scheme to siphon enough money to make the effort worth it. Not to say it couldn't be the case, but there's a lot of name brand that goes into becoming a "community leader," whether be in helping along the visas of raagis and preachers from india to meeting famous politicians, organizing etc (especially if you're in an area with a large, densely-populated religious community...such as ny and toronto). I think it has a lot to do with ego and showmanship, too (imo). just my 2cents.

I agree with you. I don't know I always think that everyone is wired by some kind of money incentive. Which is horrible. I do agree with you on the fact that people do just want to be a leader for the power. If there was no financial benefit to these leaders, I'm pretty sure they would of left a long time ago. No one likes to work for free, and being a pardhan is not always easy. Maybe I just think about the financial advantages/disadvantages way to much. I guess the business student in me is kicking in =/

 

[Yankee Saini]

I agree with you. I don't know I always think that everyone is wired by some kind of money incentive. Which is horrible. I do agree with you on the fact that people do just want to be a leader for the power. If there was no financial benefit to these leaders, I'm pretty sure they would of left a long time ago. No one likes to work for free, and being a pardhan is not always easy. Maybe I just think about the financial advantages/disadvantages way to much. I guess the business student in me is kicking in =/

beeba, $$$$ shouldn't matter when it comes to Gurughar's! but to majority of people, Gurughar is like a business these days n' its a fact!

 

[J Hayer]

I agree with you. I don't know I always think that everyone is wired by some kind of money incentive. Which is horrible. I do agree with you on the fact that people do just want to be a leader for the power. If there was no financial benefit to these leaders, I'm pretty sure they would of left a long time ago. No one likes to work for free, and being a pardhan is not always easy. Maybe I just think about the financial advantages/disadvantages way to much. I guess the business student in me is kicking in =/

I see what you're saying, I was just looking at it from a vantage point. economics plays a role in everything these days ( unfortunately?)

 

[mcgulz]

The thing about the IRS looking into the income of the Gurudwara ..Yeah thats a big No-no.. because its a NPO so they get an income tax exemption..If they didnt have it, that would be a good thing to go after but these guys are smart enough to work their way outta stealing money and not getting caught..*sigh*
Of course im surprised they havent lost their status of exemption by now

 

[itsG]

its not about the IRS looking into those accounts and such but the gurdwara committee showing expenses and i mean legitimate expenses during the speech. And you can't blame just the pardhan everyone else on the committee has to be involved for this to happen thats why you have a committee so you have that system of checks and balances, If the pardhan needs money he should, in a normal world, have to goto the treasurer who is in charge of the money and not just writing receipts for donations made.