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I agree with a bunch of points here but everyone is really good at pointing out what to change but no one ever addresses HOW to change it. It's not as easy as reading a list and saying, "Okay, do it!"mithu said:Didnt want anyone who wanted to discuss this blow up BBC's thread on feedback.
Here' my input and has been for the past couple years.
- Stop making segments insanely fast.
- Stop running around the stage (Make formation actually mean something. Not lets run here for 2 sec then here, then here)
- Be graceful in every segment, even the hard hitting ones
- Watch live teams, and emulate the grace, the power, the everything but w/ music
- Pick songs that have meaning to the choreo
- Stop having mixes being so bad (There are a few mixer out there that do teams justice. I think there are total of maybe 4 mixer on circuit that dont make hype garbage. Teams are at fault as much as the mixers are).
- Be Unique. (90% of prop segments are the same. Lets just run around the stage ass fast as possible while using props.)
- Go back and watch LBC, APD, BMW, FCB (Pre-Fever 4), KJ, SPD, and see what set them apart. Even when they didnt place.
Armaan said:I agree with a bunch of points here but everyone is really good at pointing out what to change but no one ever addresses HOW to change it. It's not as easy as reading a list and saying, "Okay, do it!"mithu said:Didnt want anyone who wanted to discuss this blow up BBC's thread on feedback.
Here' my input and has been for the past couple years.
- Stop making segments insanely fast.
- Stop running around the stage (Make formation actually mean something. Not lets run here for 2 sec then here, then here)
- Be graceful in every segment, even the hard hitting ones
- Watch live teams, and emulate the grace, the power, the everything but w/ music
- Pick songs that have meaning to the choreo
- Stop having mixes being so bad (There are a few mixer out there that do teams justice. I think there are total of maybe 4 mixer on circuit that dont make hype garbage. Teams are at fault as much as the mixers are).
- Be Unique. (90% of prop segments are the same. Lets just run around the stage ass fast as possible while using props.)
- Go back and watch LBC, APD, BMW, FCB (Pre-Fever 4), KJ, SPD, and see what set them apart. Even when they didnt place.
Once again, to reiterate on the point I was making on the BBC thread... How can we help educate dancers and teams (especially those with younger dancers) on the importance of fundamentals amongst other things? Do we aim create a committee with dancers of mixed experiences to work on this issue? Is there another solution? Or do we continue to make threads that we all know ultimately lead to no change and just a bunch of old dancers bitching about the new generation of bhangra.
How to slow down sets: Stop making garbage hype mixes. Mixes need to complement set. There are TONS of mixers who are open to helping mixers and team with that. But most mixers have this thing called egos, so many mixer have "x, y, and z have asked me to mix. You have done shit, so yeah stfu" attitude. It's the same with team captains. WHen teaching form TEACH extension vs "alright everyone just extend this much so it looks fast"
Stop running around the stage: Watch older teams, see how they did formations. Watch teams that dont run around the stage (SPD, SMD, etc).
:'( damn howie, that's some heavy stuff right there. i sincerely apologize for all my inflammatory rhetoric.Howie Magz said:[SIZE=small]
People should dance to the style they want and to whatever song they want. Sharing your views is fine, but trying to force your views and disrespecting others' point of view is wrong. Competition is healthy, but there isn't a need to
be ass about something. [/SIZE]
swagma$terjatt said:I kind of want to change the direction of your question. Its not what happened to the bhangra circuit - it's why do we do bhangra. Why are we here? what is the purpose of this circuit? For anyone that has a genuine love for bhangra, makes an effort to know its roots, understand where it comes from and what it means. The bhangra circuit is about carrying on a history, a legacy, culture, and love for punjab. When you dance, are you dancing because you think its a cool dance style, because it happens to be the biggest circuit, or because its something that has true meaning to you? When you dance do you just do the moves and try to be technically correct, or are you trying to tell a story and send a message with the way you dance. Every team is going to have a different style. They might like incorporating hiphop, hfd, bnat in order to stand out (i don’t always agree with it- but thats a personal preference). There is no harm in a teams saap song being to fast or too slow, or having a lot of transitions and formations. The circuit has now incorporated a faster saap style, while in punjab is still relatively slower. Saap extension is very important now, while 10 years ago it wasn’t as big of a focus. You can’t be upset that the circuit is slowly changing, because everything evolves.You can’t hate one team for using gimmicks or another for being too traditional. Your dividing the circuit instead of bringing it together, focus on why we are here. Each team can still have individuality, creativity, and traditionally, its about mixing these things, and while still focusing on what bhangra is, what drives it, and the purpose it serves. But there is more to this than just significance and history- An older captain on the team I am on stressed the important of fundamentals and form, and others stressed the importance of respecting props and instruments. They stressed these because it is a part of what bhangra is, its a part of the punjabi culture that we are forgetting when we dance. We aren’t paying attention to the basic parts of what make bhangra, bhangra. When you are doing moves, they have to be clean, they should be distinct- make an effort in doing each move instead of just half assing them. When your doing punjab are you really moving from side to side as much as possible. When your doing jugni are you showing that power? When your dancing remember your carrying on a history and a legacy- you are carrying on a culture that sadly in punjab is slowly dying.I think when any person punjabi or not joins a bhangra team, they should be fully educated on what they are doing- what these things mean, why they are important otherwise your just moving around. I think that fire you want back in the circuit has to come from the dancers. They have to care about the moves, care about form, take the time to understand the lyrics, what context are they said in, care about how we use props, understand the significance of the props, respect the instruments- care about the culture that is bhangra. I feel that there are just too many dancers doing the moves and not passionate when they dance, its as if they are just there to place and get recognized. Just remember why you are here, remember why you're dancing- bring the passion back, thats how your going to change the circuit.
I hope I haven’t offended anyone, if I am completely wrong, I apologize.
Aditya Dewanjee said:@KarnSingh
The direction of the circuit might be upsetting to you, but no matter how much you complain and talk shit on btf, nobody is going to change how they do bhangra to make you happy. If you have such a specific idea of what bhangra should be, why dont you make a set that showcases your vision of bhangra and let the set do the talking? I've been fortunate enough to have never seen you perform live but a quick youtube search makes me happy that the current bhangra circuit isn't matching your personal vision for bhangra.
lol what does that have to do with what's being discussed Lubana Saab?Jaskirat Multani said:Anyway Jatt is Jatt, Sears.