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What makes a person a great dancer?
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mafzal
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I find myself saying "damnnn that was a sickk routine" to teams who place 2nd, 3rd, or even not at all. i.e. Watching Fusion this year I thought Empire had an amazing routine and great execution, even after they didn't place at all I was still thinking about itMeistro said:
If you meant "You do bhangra so that either 1) you will win or 2) you blow everyone away, or both -- then I completely agree with you
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BaldeepK
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The most important thing with doing bhangra is nahkra(facial expression). Now im not saying that if u do the best nahkra then your the best dancer. The hardest part also in doing bhangra is being graceful, anyone can do jerky moves and fly across a stage and grab someones eye but who knows what that other person is thinking...like does that person look like an idiot. By being graceful, have stamina, using nahkra, having energy, and executing your moves the RIGHT way can make a person a good dancer, and thas not even the beginning, there are a lot of other things that u have to factor in but those are the thing that should be focus on first.
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when u do a routine u do it as best as u can, u try to execute it with great energy and gracefulness, and facial expressions that just show that u love this dance and look like u are enjoying performing the performance, once u do these things u just leave everything u have out on stage. You try to give every ounce u have to make the performance as a team superb. From there on how other teams do and how the judging is out of your hands. I feel like a lot of teams get caught up in judging, placing, and how other teams did too much. Of course watching other teams is amazing because we as bhangra dancers enjoy routines to extents that other audience members might not be able to fathom.
and crowd support combined with the crazy adrenaline that u have is a feeling that is indescribable. It's what i dance for. and respect from teams is another assurance that might go beyond placing in the competition. and people pay to watch us dance when is that ever gonna happen to us for the rest of our lives?
i dunno ive danced at many competitions and have not personally placed more then a hand bunch of times, and i still feel like its worth it to dance regardless of placement. Some of my favorite performances that we have done, have been when we didn't place.
just my input
and crowd support combined with the crazy adrenaline that u have is a feeling that is indescribable. It's what i dance for. and respect from teams is another assurance that might go beyond placing in the competition. and people pay to watch us dance when is that ever gonna happen to us for the rest of our lives?
i dunno ive danced at many competitions and have not personally placed more then a hand bunch of times, and i still feel like its worth it to dance regardless of placement. Some of my favorite performances that we have done, have been when we didn't place.
just my input
a good bhangra dancer
heyy....im an amateur bhangra dancer..and I`m watching videos and talking to friends to get better etc...but what exactly makes one bhangra dancer better than someone else, outside from grace and facial expressions/energy ??...also, is bhangra supposed to be danced with a straight back/good posture ?
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heyy....im an amateur bhangra dancer..and I`m watching videos and talking to friends to get better etc...but what exactly makes one bhangra dancer better than someone else, outside from grace and facial expressions/energy ??...also, is bhangra supposed to be danced with a straight back/good posture ?
--amit singh
Moderator's Note: This topic has been merged with the one above.
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Re: a good bhangra dancer
...I think what also makes a good bhangra dancer is to be able to help fellow brethren without being condescending
Amit, there are a few threads on the forum that discuss what makes a good bhangra dancer etc. just try to search "bhangra dancer" and lots of things will come up, people have discussed nakhre/expressions, stamina, energy, grace, lots of things that should help you out!
...I think what also makes a good bhangra dancer is to be able to help fellow brethren without being condescending
Amit, there are a few threads on the forum that discuss what makes a good bhangra dancer etc. just try to search "bhangra dancer" and lots of things will come up, people have discussed nakhre/expressions, stamina, energy, grace, lots of things that should help you out!
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Re: a good bhangra dancer
not to be rude or anything....but y shud u let others define wat a bhangra dancer is for u???? sure the people on here got great things to define it----but who cares really---or u dancing for them??? or urself (and pls tell me its for urself).....so ask urself is this the way i want do dance, think about things like what do i want to convey about myself to others when i dance (u cud convey a lot just through how u dance----ex. ur love for bhangra, ur personality, what song really gets u hypeee).....so seriously just ask urself (shud i dance with my back straight-if so why am i dancing with my back straight? does it help to prove something? i dance with grace, why do i do it?)
good is such a broad word. And its not even being cocky but i think u shud be able to define what a good bhangra dancer is to you...and ur not gonna do it by watching others...ur goin to do it by goin out there and dancin for urself!!!
not to be rude or anything....but y shud u let others define wat a bhangra dancer is for u???? sure the people on here got great things to define it----but who cares really---or u dancing for them??? or urself (and pls tell me its for urself).....so ask urself is this the way i want do dance, think about things like what do i want to convey about myself to others when i dance (u cud convey a lot just through how u dance----ex. ur love for bhangra, ur personality, what song really gets u hypeee).....so seriously just ask urself (shud i dance with my back straight-if so why am i dancing with my back straight? does it help to prove something? i dance with grace, why do i do it?)
good is such a broad word. And its not even being cocky but i think u shud be able to define what a good bhangra dancer is to you...and ur not gonna do it by watching others...ur goin to do it by goin out there and dancin for urself!!!
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ummmm...then why are there bhangra coaches and ustads. To be good at a form of art you obviously have to learn from someone already experienced in the art, u can't just "ask yourself." Bhangra was created to be done in a specific way, so you can't just make up your own rules and use those as a basis of judging whether you're good or not. YOU HAVE TO WATCH OTHERS IN ORDER TO LEARN.
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ummmm...then why are there bhangra coaches and ustads. To be good at a form of art you obviously have to learn from someone already experienced in the art, u can't just "ask yourself." Bhangra was created to be done in a specific way, so you can't just make up your own rules and use those as a basis of judging whether you're good or not. YOU HAVE TO WATCH OTHERS IN ORDER TO LEARN.
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Good dancing can be defined. And yeah, I should be nicer. I'm sorry Amit, do you want a hug?
Disagree. That's what judges do, Parul - they judge what is a good dance performance and what is not. And usually, a good dance performance is composed of good dancers. There is some sort of universal guideline on what a good dancer is because when some people dance, it's more pleasing to the eyes than when others dance, when you're eyes bleed. People confuse the objective and subjective sides of dancing. For example, the objective side of dancing is easily seen and easily be judged - grace, form, expressions and this is something you can improve and learn from others. The subjective side of good dancing is things like dancing for the love, personality, toning down energy so your team looks better. Judges at competitions will not be able to judge you on the subjective aspects, but the objective ones and they do in fact matter, Parul.Parul said:
Good dancing can be defined. And yeah, I should be nicer. I'm sorry Amit, do you want a hug?
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but u can't be anything unless u have the subjective side in u first....and for me when i'm watching this people the good dancers are the ones who show through every movement, every style, every facial expression that i'm here because i love bhangra and i love doing this and i can't see anything else-----and not until i see this can i say is some1 good
some people sure they can do the dance, they can be great at it, they cud probably do every move better than everyone else on their team-but if there isn't excitement running through their blood they can't be good
sure all the other stuff matters and all but i could point out to you some1 who's so lost into their dance versus some1 who's conscious yet executing every move as it should be---and its the one who's swept away because they're like in love with the dance that is the better dancer
so, ya i see where you're comin from, but i'm still gonna stick to my point and think that before u ask some1 else to define what a good dancer for u is, you should define it for urself
but u can't be anything unless u have the subjective side in u first....and for me when i'm watching this people the good dancers are the ones who show through every movement, every style, every facial expression that i'm here because i love bhangra and i love doing this and i can't see anything else-----and not until i see this can i say is some1 good
some people sure they can do the dance, they can be great at it, they cud probably do every move better than everyone else on their team-but if there isn't excitement running through their blood they can't be good
sure all the other stuff matters and all but i could point out to you some1 who's so lost into their dance versus some1 who's conscious yet executing every move as it should be---and its the one who's swept away because they're like in love with the dance that is the better dancer
so, ya i see where you're comin from, but i'm still gonna stick to my point and think that before u ask some1 else to define what a good dancer for u is, you should define it for urself
Re: a good bhangra dancer
I'll admit right now, I'm constantly trying to work on my naakre - but I know people with phenomenal expressions who look like they have passion flowing on their hemoglobin but I know for a fact do not love and appreciate bhangra as much as I do. The two things are not connected. Defining it yourself is key to the subjective side of good dancing, but others can see a good dancer before he/she sees it in himself/herself first.
Expressions are objective side. You can see the difference between good expressions and lacking expressions and this component can be improved and judged. Thus it is objective. Can you honestly tell the difference between a dancer who dances for the love of Bhangra and one that does it for the afterparties when both have excellent expressions? I don't think so.Parul said:
I'll admit right now, I'm constantly trying to work on my naakre - but I know people with phenomenal expressions who look like they have passion flowing on their hemoglobin but I know for a fact do not love and appreciate bhangra as much as I do. The two things are not connected. Defining it yourself is key to the subjective side of good dancing, but others can see a good dancer before he/she sees it in himself/herself first.
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who cares about expressions-its so much more than that....smiling and nakhra arent the only factors---ever realize why some dancers catch ur eye on stage more than others. I'm tellin u they send this like ray of light out (its like a toothpaste commercial when they open their mouth, its not just a smile, its like the swallowed the sun). Ok my example, I could give a few (but since I lack experience at competitions I really can't tell whether someone is a good dancer until i see them in front of me), but at groundshaker there was this point in PPA's routine when every1 paused and then they stood their like huge smiles, great facial expressions, all of that----yes good dancers (objectively), but then arjun was among them and he was like moving around, twitching his head, just like why are u stopping me sort of moment- i dont want to stop dancing- now all the guys on PPA are amazing, but what sticks out is that dancer who shows i'm here to prove i love doing this, and i need this moment on stage to prove to all of you how much i love this, and i'm still going to keep on loving this even when your not around. That moment arjun stuck out not because he had good facial expressions, not because he had good form, it was because their was this feeling/this radiance that said "this is who i am- and i love doing what i am doing in front of you right now, and i wish i didn't have to stop, and let go of that thread thats stopping me and let me move on with the rest of my routine because i haven't finished showing them that this routine is what drives me.
thats the difference between a good dancer, and an amazing, extraordinary dancer-that radiance they give off when they dance (not the objective qualities-and im sure if i saw that, that there were other people who noticed that too). And as my original point, I dont think he asked people to define what is a good dancer for him, sure he may have at 1 point. But you need to establish your own definition of what makes you good-and i'm sure along the way a dancer also sees that I'm not good, I have a few weaknesses, and I'd really like to work on them, and this makes them an even better dancer, because they're constantly striving to fulfill what they want for themselves, not what others want out of them.
so sure, you need the objective qualities to be existent, but without the subjective ur just an ordinary dancer (well at least in my eyes), and i dont care if my opinion doesn't matter--but i'm still going to believe in that.
who cares about expressions-its so much more than that....smiling and nakhra arent the only factors---ever realize why some dancers catch ur eye on stage more than others. I'm tellin u they send this like ray of light out (its like a toothpaste commercial when they open their mouth, its not just a smile, its like the swallowed the sun). Ok my example, I could give a few (but since I lack experience at competitions I really can't tell whether someone is a good dancer until i see them in front of me), but at groundshaker there was this point in PPA's routine when every1 paused and then they stood their like huge smiles, great facial expressions, all of that----yes good dancers (objectively), but then arjun was among them and he was like moving around, twitching his head, just like why are u stopping me sort of moment- i dont want to stop dancing- now all the guys on PPA are amazing, but what sticks out is that dancer who shows i'm here to prove i love doing this, and i need this moment on stage to prove to all of you how much i love this, and i'm still going to keep on loving this even when your not around. That moment arjun stuck out not because he had good facial expressions, not because he had good form, it was because their was this feeling/this radiance that said "this is who i am- and i love doing what i am doing in front of you right now, and i wish i didn't have to stop, and let go of that thread thats stopping me and let me move on with the rest of my routine because i haven't finished showing them that this routine is what drives me.
thats the difference between a good dancer, and an amazing, extraordinary dancer-that radiance they give off when they dance (not the objective qualities-and im sure if i saw that, that there were other people who noticed that too). And as my original point, I dont think he asked people to define what is a good dancer for him, sure he may have at 1 point. But you need to establish your own definition of what makes you good-and i'm sure along the way a dancer also sees that I'm not good, I have a few weaknesses, and I'd really like to work on them, and this makes them an even better dancer, because they're constantly striving to fulfill what they want for themselves, not what others want out of them.
so sure, you need the objective qualities to be existent, but without the subjective ur just an ordinary dancer (well at least in my eyes), and i dont care if my opinion doesn't matter--but i'm still going to believe in that.
Re: a good bhangra dancer
expressions and stuff u shud worry aobut LATERRR when u have the basics downn...practise practise practise..you cant just be better then someoneee on ur first try..think of it as a sportt u wanna competeee..leep practisin unitl u have the steppp downn..more u put time to ittt more u willl like anddd thenn the expresssions will comeee by themselves..some ppl worry about expreisssionsss TOOO muchh and they get carriedd away on the stageee and usally mess up..keep practisin the bhangra and nakhre will come to u..and yess straight bakkkk isss much beettter...
expressions and stuff u shud worry aobut LATERRR when u have the basics downn...practise practise practise..you cant just be better then someoneee on ur first try..think of it as a sportt u wanna competeee..leep practisin unitl u have the steppp downn..more u put time to ittt more u willl like anddd thenn the expresssions will comeee by themselves..some ppl worry about expreisssionsss TOOO muchh and they get carriedd away on the stageee and usally mess up..keep practisin the bhangra and nakhre will come to u..and yess straight bakkkk isss much beettter...
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Re: a good bhangra dancer
Straight back is only better on most parts. But not all. Watch some old surrey India videos. Like really old. Vibc 2005 or something. That'll teach you a lot of what can make you a better bhangra dancer. Main thing is practice...and always put so much energy that when you finish one run through that you can't breathe. Just make sure it's actually because ur trying and not because you're unfit.
Straight back is only better on most parts. But not all.
Watch some old surrey India videos. Like really old. Vibc 2005 or something. That'll teach you a lot of what can make you a better bhangra dancer. Main thing is practice...and always put so much energy that when you finish one run through that you can't breathe. Just make sure it's actually because ur trying and not because you're unfit.