when an appropriate Punjabi Video turns into porn... I cant help but comment...

[H.S.]

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U can critisize my bhangra ignorance but u cant take my faith away from me, for as unknowledgable u think i might be.

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But you're the one putting your faith in question by saying Sikhism is some form of a Hinduism hybrid.

Buddhism also stems from Hinduism, as Siddharta was hindu, but they are VERY different religions. Sure ppl who are "Bhuddists" in India will also participate in a Hindu custom here or there because that religion is in the majority and Religion at times can dictate culture. But in the end to say Buddhism and Hinduism is one in the same is ignorant and offensive to either party. Same as Islam, Christianity and Judaism which all stem from the Holy Scripture. There are a number of beliefs in all three religions that are in line, but in the end they are DIFFERENT religions. To tell a Jew he is no different than a Christian is offensive.

Personally my family doesn't practice any Hindu customs or rituals, like Karva Chaudh or what ever else you mentioned- nor do we worship or idolize anything or anyone- but we have Sikh family friends who do like to participate in those customs, not because they are Hindu customs, not because they are trying to write them off as Sikh customs (NO ONE has ever falsely said "Oh Karva Chaud is Sikh... Apa Sikha vi es rassam nu man de ah"), They do it because they either find it a fun thing to participate in OR they PERSONALLY feel a special connection to certain non Sikh rituals which they have the right to connect with and participate in. God gives us free will, even if in the end it is NOT a Sikh ritual.

Some rituals can be Punjabi customs that are not Sikh by religion NOR are they practiced in all states/regions of India. Karva Chaudh for example (and some one correct me if I am wrong) is a North Indian/Punjabi-Delhi regional type ritual stemming from a North Indian Hindu practice. South Indian Hindus do not celebrate Karva Chaudh as a South Indian ritual. And with that said MAJORITY of PUNJABI rituals and customs are different to the rest of India and because majority of Punjab is Sikh, A LOT (not all) of what Punjabi Sikhs celebrate/participate in is different than the rest of India- it's a sub culture within a culture. Just like India is NOTHING like the majority of Asia, geographically we are still "Asian". Punjab is very different than India, but Geographically we are still "Indian".

If certain families dabble in a Hindu (and for that matter, even Muslim) ritual in Punjab- let them. Waheguru isn't shaking his head ready to punish anyone. And if some Sikh families house Hindu idols in their home, that's okay too- sometimes these idols find their way to your home and as my Grandmother says "Even if it is not in the manner of your belief system, you never turn God away" aka don't toss the idols away or give them back ... thus why my very religious, Sikhni Nani Ma has a cross with Jesus crucified on it placed next to a porcelain Buddha. Does she bow down and pray to them , no, but to her they are special gifts which she refuses to get rid of. (And if anyone questioned her as a true Sikh, I would hit them. Smile.)

To further that point, Sikhs in the west... We too are influenced by the cultures we are in. America is a predominantly Christian country. Every December, I put up a tree, decorate the house, wrap tons of presents and play Christmas Carols (even Christian ones). Christmas is THE Christian Holiday which slowly turned into a "western" holiday and is now a Hallmark Holiday. We celebrate. But we're not all of a sudden Christian or turning our backs on Sikhism. It is a popular celebration in America and we have fun with it.

And in the end- in EVERY religion, only the truly pious follow their religion to a tee. For those that dont, theyre not diluting their religion by participating in other religious traditions.

I understand you weren't trying to offend anyone, but it was offensive. You have experienced places like Amritsar and Delhi- Delhi is not Punjab, even if it is heavily populated with Sikhs. Amritsar is probably one of the biggest "religion/culture melting pots" in Punjab where you find majority of the religious and cultural diversity. Most other parts of Punjab are homes to true blooded Punjabis and Sikhs who 9/10 times do NOT participate in traditions or rituals that are not native to Punjab. [/SIZE]

thank you.

 

[Kaur]

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U can critisize my bhangra ignorance but u cant take my faith away from me, for as unknowledgable u think i might be.

[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]

But you're the one putting your faith in question by saying Sikhism is some form of a Hinduism hybrid.

Buddhism also stems from Hinduism, as Siddharta was hindu, but they are VERY different religions. Sure ppl who are "Bhuddists" in India will also participate in a Hindu custom here or there because that religion is in the majority and Religion at times can dictate culture. But in the end to say Buddhism and Hinduism is one in the same is ignorant and offensive to either party. Same as Islam, Christianity and Judaism which all stem from the Holy Scripture. There are a number of beliefs in all three religions that are in line, but in the end they are DIFFERENT religions. To tell a Jew he is no different than a Christian is offensive.

Personally my family doesn't practice any Hindu customs or rituals, like Karva Chaudh or what ever else you mentioned- nor do we worship or idolize anything or anyone- but we have Sikh family friends who do like to participate in those customs, not because they are Hindu customs, not because they are trying to write them off as Sikh customs (NO ONE has ever falsely said "Oh Karva Chaud is Sikh... Apa Sikha vi es rassam nu man de ah"), They do it because they either find it a fun thing to participate in OR they PERSONALLY feel a special connection to certain non Sikh rituals which they have the right to connect with and participate in. God gives us free will, even if in the end it is NOT a Sikh ritual.

Some rituals can be Punjabi customs that are not Sikh by religion NOR are they practiced in all states/regions of India. Karva Chaudh for example (and some one correct me if I am wrong) is a North Indian/Punjabi-Delhi regional type ritual stemming from a North Indian Hindu practice. South Indian Hindus do not celebrate Karva Chaudh as a South Indian ritual. And with that said MAJORITY of PUNJABI rituals and customs are different to the rest of India and because majority of Punjab is Sikh, A LOT (not all) of what Punjabi Sikhs celebrate/participate in is different than the rest of India- it's a sub culture within a culture. Just like India is NOTHING like the majority of Asia, geographically we are still "Asian". Punjab is very different than India, but Geographically we are still "Indian".

If certain families dabble in a Hindu (and for that matter, even Muslim) ritual in Punjab- let them. Waheguru isn't shaking his head ready to punish anyone. And if some Sikh families house Hindu idols in their home, that's okay too- sometimes these idols find their way to your home and as my Grandmother says "Even if it is not in the manner of your belief system, you never turn God away" aka don't toss the idols away or give them back ... thus why my very religious, Sikhni Nani Ma has a cross with Jesus crucified on it placed next to a porcelain Buddha. Does she bow down and pray to them , no, but to her they are special gifts which she refuses to get rid of. (And if anyone questioned her as a true Sikh, I would hit them. Smile.)

To further that point, Sikhs in the west... We too are influenced by the cultures we are in. America is a predominantly Christian country. Every December, I put up a tree, decorate the house, wrap tons of presents and play Christmas Carols (even Christian ones). Christmas is THE Christian Holiday which slowly turned into a "western" holiday and is now a Hallmark Holiday. We celebrate. But we're not all of a sudden Christian or turning our backs on Sikhism. It is a popular celebration in America and we have fun with it.

And in the end- in EVERY religion, only the truly pious follow their religion to a tee. For those that dont, theyre not diluting their religion by participating in other religious traditions.

I understand you weren't trying to offend anyone, but it was offensive. You have experienced places like Amritsar and Delhi- Delhi is not Punjab, even if it is heavily populated with Sikhs. Amritsar is probably one of the biggest "religion/culture melting pots" in Punjab where you find majority of the religious and cultural diversity. Most other parts of Punjab are homes to true blooded Punjabis and Sikhs who 9/10 times do NOT participate in traditions or rituals that are not native to Punjab. [/SIZE]

thank you.

+1

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

Interesting replies, I agree with the gist of Avneet's post.

In regards to Punjabi religious diversity and customs it is a very complicated issue. Religious diversity and the way people worship differs from ethnic clans, districts, villages to economic status. A majority of people don't follow a strict form of any religion, mostly because not only does it not seem practical to them it is an alien thought. Traditionally their spiritual needs have been fulfilled by activities outside their own designated religious sphere. For example Many Punjabi Hindus feel just as comfortable Gurudwaras, many self identifying Sikhs (even high ranking members of Akal Takht and SGPC) visit and ask for the blessings of rural saints like Sakhi Sarwar (Lakh Data Peer). Heck even Mohyal Bhramins used to do processions during muharram with Shia Muslims pre-Partition. This was all generally accepted and encouraged until recent history where people used religion to divide and gain power.

 

[Piarpreet Kaur]

Oh almighty virk guru jee your kirpa is a bakshish and i wuld be in darkness without it. Thanx for enlighten me your naam will always be in my mind. Your divine highness made me born again closer and closer toyour lotus feet.

Seriously... Its not only funny u assume i dont know this, but its even funnier that u mention the kakars when the most important one and the only innate one has met a pair of scissors and not your spiritual wisdom.

Discussion about sikhi is over. Its not healthy for either parties. U can critisize my bhangra ignorance but u cant take my faith away from me, for as unknowledgable u think i might be.

I neva challenged your faith

ok master, as u say... u kind of did. when u give a"speech" to somebody about religion inevitable u r challenging their faith.

But ya i give up on the subject. Cos u are misinterpreting, i dont know if i my english sucks of if you all are reading more between lines than what im actually trying to say. My point was that in India (mostly in india but some white sikhs to this too) i see this influence, and that it is inevitable cos sikhism was born in india... u can take the sikhs out of india but not india out of the sikhs... According to my sociology book (not that i agree) sikhism is a blend of Islam and Hinduism.

anyways i wont "challenge" my faith any more because
1) you guys are just gonna go on and on misinterpreting and going for me
and 2) from last night, im not a sikh any more im a Virkanatorist.

 

[virkenator]

Oh almighty virk guru jee your kirpa is a bakshish and i wuld be in darkness without it. Thanx for enlighten me your naam will always be in my mind. Your divine highness made me born again closer and closer toyour lotus feet.

Seriously... Its not only funny u assume i dont know this, but its even funnier that u mention the kakars when the most important one and the only innate one has met a pair of scissors and not your spiritual wisdom.

Discussion about sikhi is over. Its not healthy for either parties. U can critisize my bhangra ignorance but u cant take my faith away from me, for as unknowledgable u think i might be.

I neva challenged your faith

ok master, as u say... u kind of did. when u give a"speech" to somebody about religion inevitable u r challenging their faith.

But ya i give up on the subject. Cos u are misinterpreting, i dont know if i my english sucks of if you all are reading more between lines than what im actually trying to say. My point was that in India (mostly in india but some white sikhs to this too) i see this influence, and that it is inevitable cos sikhism was born in india... u can take the sikhs out of india but not india out of the sikhs... According to my sociology book (not that i agree) sikhism is a blend of Islam and Hinduism.

anyways i wont "challenge" my faith any more because
1) you guys are just gonna go on and on misinterpreting and going for me
and 2) from last night, im not a sikh any more im a Virkanatorist.

Virkanatorist... ;D...lol
Gal u r interesting

 

[Badwal]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

 

[Babbarsher]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

WTF?
I think you posted in the wrong topic.

 

[T-Pardesi]

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[Babbarsher]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

WTF?
I think you posted in the wrong topic.

Babbarsher what did u finally end up choosing for ur DJ name?

Couldn't decide.
DJ

 

[Piarpreet Kaur]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

i love cheesecake... GO SPAIN!!!! (especially after the game )

 

[dhamijatt]

Kuwariyaan - Diljit [HQ]

2:37....how awkward LOL

and I won't post the video but i'm sure some people here know of him- Bagga Safri

 

[dhamijatt]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

wonderland funnel cake is amazing...

 

[terabaap]

I lika the sex.

 

[Badwal]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

i love cheesecake... GO SPAIN!!!! (especially after the game )

wonderland funnel cake is amazing...

I dont know how people complain about not being able to finish it, I can down like 2 easily

As for Cheese cake, you're my New Best Friend , but you lose cool points for Spain

 

[Badwal]

I lika the sex.

LOL You're a G

 

[Piarpreet Kaur]

Im craving some Funnel cake, but I hate the strawberry sauce that comes with it ususally, so far the best ones are at Canada's Wonderland

- GO ENGLAND

i love cheesecake... GO SPAIN!!!! (especially after the game )

wonderland funnel cake is amazing...

I dont know how people complain about not being able to finish it, I can down like 2 easily

As for Cheese cake, you're my New Best Friend , but you lose cool points for Spain

awww badwal... im from Spain itself so...i think i can sacrifice your cool points to support my team im sure u understand that...

 

[Piarpreet Kaur]

Kuwariyaan - Diljit [HQ]

2:37....how awkward LOL

and I won't post the video but i'm sure some people here know of him- Bagga Safri

awkward ya...come on girl, if u dont want a guy to look at your beowbbz
1) dont wear cleavages, or low necklines
2) dont take your chunni off
3) dont kneel down...

seriously... lol

ya weird flirting with fruist and chunnis and even the weird hip movements the guy is doing almost at the beginning like....hmmm 100% douchebaggotism

 

[dhamijatt]

Re: when an appropriate Punjabi Video turns into porn... I cant help but comment

Diljit has come a long way..

 

[virkenator]

Kuwariyaan - Diljit [HQ]

2:37....how awkward LOL

and I won't post the video but i'm sure some people here know of him- Bagga Safri

hahaha....at 237 gives the look of a potential rapist

 

[Sukha]

LOL if your talking about clevage exposure then this video does it

Kulwinder Dhillon - Saal Solwan



and in terms of the whole turning into a porn thing this video is a lot worse

Chadra - Geeta Zaildar {Awsome Song}