bhangra?

[bhangra_101]

u know u don't have to read or reply mithu... and my point was i don't like when its 20% bhangra and 80% bs

 

[HarmanToor]

k sorry I'm not gonna copy paste to reply, sue walking was a form of transportation to get from point a to point b, we upgraded using technology and made new forms of transportation but the idea behind both is still to go from point a to b... bhangra was created as a dance form and is a part of punjabi culture and like i stated earlier add gimmicks change your music cool make it fun but remember your supposed to be doing bhangra not hip hop, not stunts that take more time to set up than to do..


im not sure who originally stated that point about fumaniya but to argue I'm not saying change up your style of doing it AEG, RU bhangra and many other teams have done it differently and it does get cooler but in the end of the day it is still similar to the original fumaniya, now take the original change the hand movements and just throw your hands up, change the footwork to iono kicking, change the moving to bouncing up and down and u no longer have fumaniya u have a russian dance step in bhangra outfits lol which is no longer bhangra lol




go ahead add gimmicks and change music make it fun but don't make it so different that it doesn't even look like your doing bhangra on stage it looks more like just gimmicks hiphop and stunts...

I get what you're trying to get across but some of it holds no water especially the hiphop argument, usually people who make that argument don't even know what hiphop is and no offense but you're one of em.. technically speaking under the same definition and context you're using the hiphop word in, Aman hayer and 110% of the producers of punjabi music in the industry use 'too much' hiphop beats in their music, IN THE ORIGINAL PRODUCED SONG, so you can't avoid it. The only thing remixers like myself and others do is change the bass, kicks and snares to ones of our liking, the advance DJ's can also change the melody but thats it, the hiphop is there just as much as it was in the original state. The kicks that I use are no different in style or type of sound from the kicks original producers like aman hayer use. To make your argument valid, any song that has anything extra other then a tabla/sarangi/tumbi/dhol/chimta/algoja/baja/dhad is considered too much hiphop, which obviously does not make sense and is unavoidable in 2012. Don't be afraid to evolve, with this attitude you will sink in life.

Your phumniya argument really makes no sense to me either, you're asking why people are being 'too' creative in a COMPETITION, well duh, because its a competition lol and you're going against X amount of teams that are all after the first place spot just as much as you. So you almost HAVE to create your own identity, moves, and gimmicks to win otherwise you'd lose every competition you apply for, it's not like we are all part of a diabolical scheme to destroy bhangra and it's not like we don't like performing the original moves, it's just that without evolving to this next step, you're not going to make it anywhere. The better equipped team, that includes dancers set and music, will always win over less prepared and less creative teams.

If you feel this strongly, then open up an academy lol the world needs people like you to keep bhangra alive, so why not take the chance and teach the world what you so strongly believe in? but if you're asking modern bhangra to change back to the 2007-8 days, goodluck trying to get that across to the thousands of paying customers that dish out their valuable time and money to be wowed by whats being performed on stage, none of them will give a fuck about the original bhangra moves.

 

[Shahrukh]

hey faizan all you proved is your house is old... my point is and was that there is a difference between real bhangra steps and "modernized steps" these modernized steps are more like the dougie and jerk and iono what other hiphop steps teams want to incorporate than bhangra is. I have not yet stated that teams should be all live traditional full on bhangra go ahead do your changes make steps cooler but keep them as bhangra steps




here's what i said before and ima restate it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRjBbWszsk

Russian Dance Kalinka

i dont care about this topic or the post or whatever but i have seen bhangra teams do things from this russian kalinka dance video lol


and i wouldnt be surprised to see a team do that holding hands all jump and kick out thing they did

 

[mithu]

hey faizan all you proved is your house is old... my point is and was that there is a difference between real bhangra steps and "modernized steps" these modernized steps are more like the dougie and jerk and iono what other hiphop steps teams want to incorporate than bhangra is. I have not yet stated that teams should be all live traditional full on bhangra go ahead do your changes make steps cooler but keep them as bhangra steps




here's what i said before and ima restate it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRjBbWszsk

Russian Dance Kalinka

i dont care about this topic or the post or whatever but i have seen bhangra teams do things from this russian kalinka dance video lol


and i wouldnt be surprised to see a team do that holding hands all jump and kick out thing they did

hahah. The kicks kinda look like what NYPD did at Elite 8 and TDot xD

 

[kazminaut]

k sorry I'm not gonna copy paste to reply, sue walking was a form of transportation to get from point a to point b, we upgraded using technology and made new forms of transportation but the idea behind both is still to go from point a to b... bhangra was created as a dance form and is a part of punjabi culture and like i stated earlier add gimmicks change your music cool make it fun but remember your supposed to be doing bhangra not hip hop, not stunts that take more time to set up than to do..


im not sure who originally stated that point about fumaniya but to argue I'm not saying change up your style of doing it AEG, RU bhangra and many other teams have done it differently and it does get cooler but in the end of the day it is still similar to the original fumaniya, now take the original change the hand movements and just throw your hands up, change the footwork to iono kicking, change the moving to bouncing up and down and u no longer have fumaniya u have a russian dance step in bhangra outfits lol which is no longer bhangra lol




go ahead add gimmicks and change music make it fun but don't make it so different that it doesn't even look like your doing bhangra on stage it looks more like just gimmicks hiphop and stunts...

Your phumniya argument really makes no sense to me either, you're asking why people are being 'too' creative in a COMPETITION, well duh, because its a competition lol and you're going against X amount of teams that are all after the first place spot just as much as you. So you almost HAVE to create your own identity, moves, and gimmicks to win otherwise you'd lose every competition you apply for, it's not like we are all part of a diabolical scheme to destroy bhangra and it's not like we don't like performing the original moves, it's just that without evolving to this next step, you're not going to make it anywhere. The better equipped team, that includes dancers set and music, will always win over less prepared and less creative teams.

If you feel this strongly, then open up an academy lol the world needs people like you to keep bhangra alive, so why not take the chance and teach the world what you so strongly believe in? but if you're asking modern bhangra to change back to the 2007-8 days, goodluck trying to get that across to the thousands of paying customers that dish out their valuable time and money to be wowed by whats being performed on stage, none of them will give a fuck about the original bhangra moves.

Aside from competitions and prizes and placing, what's fundamental to all of this business is that these teams are entertainers. We do what we do specifically as a performance for an audience, and so whatever works to make an audience happy will be more successful. Some audiences, in this country and in this time period, can appreciate the kind of folksy tradition you're talking about; most can't, and need some modern hip hop masala to appeal to them. You live in a world of So You Think You Can Dance, and you're competing for much of the same audience that they are. If you're not entertaining, you're not doing your job as a performer.

 

[voxanimus]

as far as the "innovate, but keep the core elements of bhangra intact" argument goes, i have this to say: at what definitive point does bhangra stop, and hiphop/russian kalinka or whatever begin? it seems to me that that line is an incredibly subjective one. is it no longer bhangra if you stop shaking your shoulders? or if you stop doing pataka footwork? or if you don't do lalkare while dancing? i don't think that there is a single defining characteristic of bhangra, without which a dance cannot be called bhangra, so therefore there's no way to know whether or not a particular innovation, objectively, is within or without the borders of what you deem as "bhangra." all you can really do is establish relative comparisons; one team can only be called modern or traditional in relation to another. so unless you're going to designate one team as the lower limit of bhangra—the absolute most modern any team can get while still being bhangra—there's no way to systematically or consistently determine what is or is not bhangra.

 

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[Jatt08]

Bhangra Evolution, lol

I was watching NBA (Spurs Vs. Thunder) and thinking that Basketball or any other sport has changed into Entertainment from a Sport. Is Bhangra going in the same direction? To be honest, it is. At the competitions, take the gimmicks out of the equation, no one wants to go see just live Bhangra. Most people (inside or outside Punjab) don't even know the basics of Bhangra and just cannot enjoy they Boli or the step that goes with it. They are just there for the wow factor. So at the end of the day, question is, should be still call it a Bhangra Competition? Why not call it a fusion competition and let the other communities participate in it as well?

Yo man, what ever happened to fucking walking to places? Like, since when did we stop using our goddamn feet and get into these Mother Earth murdering gas chambers with wheels that you cant even tell like if its like a person or an autobot in disguise. Can someone elabor8 how its even natural to get into one of those aeroplanes and be existing at like 20 googolplex feet in the air? I mean, cool that you can do all these crazy things in the modern age thanks to people trying new things, thriving to improve, survive, evolve and redefine our existence as an species.... but come on... being a human means living like we were suppose to... lets leave the cars and machines to the cylons

Walking is still walking, people still walk to places. Driving is not evolution of walking, its one more option we have, maybe evolution from horse carriages .

I agree with Bhangra_101, evolution is ok and I belive its necessary to a certain point but there should be a limit. Humans evolved from monkeys but we don't call ourselves monkeys any more do we?

So keep evolving but don't keep calling w/e we do on stage Bhangra. Just my 2 cents, Je Kise Nu Koi Dukh Lageya Hove tan Sorry advance ch ... lol

 

[Dj ASG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRjBbWszsk

1:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gybwoV02dMc

4:05

im not going to lie thats where we got the idea from LOL.

 

[COMTONDAJATT]

Where do you set the point on what is acceptable as 'bhangra' or not? 1947 style? 1970s? Late 80s? Is it the spirit of the dance that you want preserved? Do you not want elements that seem foreign? No hip hop? Where do you want to draw the line of people creativity to present something they like in a new and interesting way? Don't you think if you put limits and restrictions on what is acceptable then in 20 years from now everyone will be doing the exact same routine and people will quit out of boredom?

Should I keep posting in the form of questions from now on? Is it a good gimmick?

 

[voxanimus]

Where do you set the point on what is acceptable as 'bhangra' or not? 1947 style? 1970s? Late 80s? Is it the spirit of the dance that you want preserved? Do you not want elements that seem foreign? No hip hop? Where do you want to draw the line of people creativity to present something they like in a new and interesting way? Don't you think if you put limits and restrictions on what is acceptable then in 20 years from now everyone will be doing the exact same routine and people will quit out of boredom?

Should I keep posting in the form of questions from now on? Is it a good gimmick?

this man and i are of a similar mind

 

[voxanimus]

also the kalinka video has really sick baithkas


1:11 http://youtu.be/ydRjBbWszsk

 

[mithu]

0:23 http://youtu.be/ydRjBbWszsk


Jawani Bhangra @ Idols.

 

[bhangra_101]

harman i think you might have missed what i said earlier... adding a hiphop beat is different from doing hiphop steps, teams doing "walk it out" to bhangra is not bhangra using hip hop beats in a jazzy b song doesn't make it a black song being that there maybe a verse or 2 in english and 80% of the song is still punjabi... all i am saying that in moderation gimmicks and stunts look cool but when there is >50% bhangra in a bhangra competition there is something wrong. creativity is taking a step and tweaking it to your style but changing it 100 percent doesn't make it the original step that is called making a new step....


i draw the line when a performance is less bhangra than stunts gimmicks hip hop steps rave and iono what else teams do lol my argument isn't that complicated

 

[Sue Sylvester]

Humans evolved from monkeys but we don't call ourselves monkeys any more do we?

That's cuz we didn't evolve from monkeys. Modern-day monkeys and modern-day humans share a single common ancestor, just like walking a mile through grasslands has evolved into hitching a cab-ride down a mile or the less popular, scurrying down 20 city blocks.

But seriously, yo. Take Bhangra Empire back in time 20 years to a pindh in Punjab. You think everyone's still going to clamour for live bhangra over an Empire performance? Hell no... Live bhangra was done to celebrate culture and entertain the masses. And they're going to watch Empire do the same, love it, learn it, incorporate it and name their kids after the dholi who flew down from the sky.

 

[sartajjudge]

But seriously, yo. Take Bhangra Empire back in time 20 years to a pindh in Punjab. You think everyone's still going to clamour for live bhangra over an Empire performance? Hell no...

lol. True say.

 

[Jatt08]

But seriously, yo. Take Bhangra Empire back in time 20 years to a pindh in Punjab. You think everyone's still going to clamour for live bhangra over an Empire performance?

Well I don't know about naming the kids after the dholi but they sure won't be able to tell the difference between Bhangra, Aerobics,Cheer leading and the Russian Dance ... wait isn't that called fusion? lol


Disclaimer: This message is for argument purposes only, no harm or hate intended towards any team. Everyone has their own style and I all respect that. At the end of the day Bhangra in which ever form modern or traditional brings our community together.

 

[Jatt08]

BTW ... Phatte Chak Te OKC ne

 

[ban3rg]

Bahaha so the kalinka video has been doin the rounds. Cossack dancing. Nuff said

 

[J Wong]

bhangra was created as a dance form and is a part of punjabi culture

Yea, it was created in like 1960. You're complaining about the evolution of a dance that has been "part of punjabi culture" for like 50 years. My house is older than bhangra. so is my dad, the tree in my backyard, and rock music...haha

Bhangra what it is today (to a certain extent) was created in the late 50's and early 60's but bhangra as it relates to cooking hemp and celebration of the harvest has existed much longer than that.