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Guys WHACKS Women
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Hans
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Basim, I think you're oversimplifying the question. You're absolutely right about the point you made, but it's not really what the rest of us are talking about. Clearly, in the eyes of the law, it's the contract and whatever applicable laws that will determine who is guilty and who is not. This debate is more about the general theory of equal rights and the morality of what the guy did, not simply its legality under current law.Basim said:
Harman, I understand what most women mean when they ask for equal rights, but I think a broader term for what those women are fighting for is equal treatment. Women in the status quo already have the right to equal pay for equal work, but they're not getting it. They need to fight for equal treatment so that employers will actually respect the rights that are already in place. So I think equal treatment means getting rid of double standards.HarmanSingh said:
I don't disagree that men should not hit women. What I don't understand, though, is why we don't hold women to the same standard. Why is it a bigger deal that a man slapped a woman than that the woman slapped a man to begin with? In a world of equal rights and equal treatment, they should both be weighed equally.
Also, about your arguments on the degradation of women, I'm curious to know how far you'll extend that philosophy. I think men should not hit women (or other men) because they have a moral obligation to avoid unnecessary violence. Several of you seem to think men should not hit women because it degrades women, who are already disadvantaged in many other ways. But if we take that philosophy to its logical end, does it mean that men can't do anything that might be somehow demeaning to women? For example, is it morally permissible to use the word "bitch" or any other derogatory slurs against women because it demeans them? What about pornography, prostitution, stripping, or any other such act that women might participate in of their own free will. Many argue that those acts demean women as a whole, so are they morally permissible for women to do, or for men to watch? There are other examples we could discuss, but I'd like to know your thoughts on these first. If you think those acts are ok, I wonder what's different, but if you think they are also morally wrong, I'll try to think of some tougher examples
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HarmanSingh
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Lol, I think this conversation has started to go off topic now.
To answer your questions Hans, I agree that no one should be slapping another person, either male or female. But a feel as a man, it is wrong to slap a woman out of respect for what women have done and do for society, even if she slaps you first. He was not in any danger or defending himself?he was simply defending his own ?pride?.
I do think it is demeaning to call women ?bitches?. How can you think otherwise? You yourself called it a derogatory slur. The language we use every day is very important and provides insight into our way of thinking. Notice how we call women bitches, foxes, etc?all terms used to describe animals. And we spit ?game? on women, as if they are so simple and basic that they only require some half hearted attention and cleverly worded pickup lines in order to win the prize, which is them. We reduce women to a game and refer to them as animals. Yes, I think that is morally wrong.
Regarding porn, prostitution and stripping, yes they are morally wrong and degrading to women. You can say its their own free will, but be real for a minute Hans. A lot of these women, and I would venture to say the majority from things I have read, have serious problems in their lives ranging from poverty to drugs to abuse. If you think women just up and go on the street corner to sell themselves for a dirty old man to get their jollys, you are kidding yourself. These professions are a last resort for most women, not a choice. When you are backed into a corner where your options are selling the only thing you have left, which is your body, or starving, you will sell what you have. And going to hire these women serves to exploit their vulnerability and need for money. And before anyone says you are helping them by giving them money, which is an argument I hear a lot, I would ask why not do something to help these women out of their situation without forcing them to dance for you so you can get your perverted pleasure. While you can label it their own free will, tell me what you want these women to do when their pimp comes to them demanding money. They cannot simply say they want out. Also, I think all of these things degrade men too. For a man to take part in these activities reduces them to a physical, perverted brute, void of all interpersonal relations or moral code. Hiring prostitutes or going to strip clubs do nothing positive for me spiritually, mentally or physically?so there is no reason to take part in it or consider it to be morally permissible when a woman is on the other side being reduced to her body and I am on the other side being reduced to a sex fiend while I exploit her need for money.
And just to add on, porn and all of these things only serve to create a false image of what a woman is in the minds of men and promote the abuse and degradation of women through physical acts. The women in porn do not have a mind, a soul, a spirit...they have a body. That is their only resource. And watching these things makes men think, either subconsciously or consciously that they are supposed to treat women like that and that women are supposed to behave like that. Notice most acts during porn serve to degrade the woman.
Call me a square if you want, but I think if you were to ask most women these questions, they would agree it is all demeaning and disgusting that men call them bitches, and support prostitution, porn and stripping as morally permissible.
To answer your questions Hans, I agree that no one should be slapping another person, either male or female. But a feel as a man, it is wrong to slap a woman out of respect for what women have done and do for society, even if she slaps you first. He was not in any danger or defending himself?he was simply defending his own ?pride?.
I do think it is demeaning to call women ?bitches?. How can you think otherwise? You yourself called it a derogatory slur. The language we use every day is very important and provides insight into our way of thinking. Notice how we call women bitches, foxes, etc?all terms used to describe animals. And we spit ?game? on women, as if they are so simple and basic that they only require some half hearted attention and cleverly worded pickup lines in order to win the prize, which is them. We reduce women to a game and refer to them as animals. Yes, I think that is morally wrong.
Regarding porn, prostitution and stripping, yes they are morally wrong and degrading to women. You can say its their own free will, but be real for a minute Hans. A lot of these women, and I would venture to say the majority from things I have read, have serious problems in their lives ranging from poverty to drugs to abuse. If you think women just up and go on the street corner to sell themselves for a dirty old man to get their jollys, you are kidding yourself. These professions are a last resort for most women, not a choice. When you are backed into a corner where your options are selling the only thing you have left, which is your body, or starving, you will sell what you have. And going to hire these women serves to exploit their vulnerability and need for money. And before anyone says you are helping them by giving them money, which is an argument I hear a lot, I would ask why not do something to help these women out of their situation without forcing them to dance for you so you can get your perverted pleasure. While you can label it their own free will, tell me what you want these women to do when their pimp comes to them demanding money. They cannot simply say they want out. Also, I think all of these things degrade men too. For a man to take part in these activities reduces them to a physical, perverted brute, void of all interpersonal relations or moral code. Hiring prostitutes or going to strip clubs do nothing positive for me spiritually, mentally or physically?so there is no reason to take part in it or consider it to be morally permissible when a woman is on the other side being reduced to her body and I am on the other side being reduced to a sex fiend while I exploit her need for money.
And just to add on, porn and all of these things only serve to create a false image of what a woman is in the minds of men and promote the abuse and degradation of women through physical acts. The women in porn do not have a mind, a soul, a spirit...they have a body. That is their only resource. And watching these things makes men think, either subconsciously or consciously that they are supposed to treat women like that and that women are supposed to behave like that. Notice most acts during porn serve to degrade the woman.
Call me a square if you want, but I think if you were to ask most women these questions, they would agree it is all demeaning and disgusting that men call them bitches, and support prostitution, porn and stripping as morally permissible.
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Shahrukh
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i didnt read anyone elses posts
but she hit him so he can hit her back
i would of slapped the hell out of her and her bf and whoever else tryd to do anything
i mean c'mon!?
if a fat muscularish black girl slapped you
you would slap her back
the only reason yall saying anythn at all
is cuz shes somewhat ok looking
but i wouldv done it
but she hit him so he can hit her back
i would of slapped the hell out of her and her bf and whoever else tryd to do anything
i mean c'mon!?
if a fat muscularish black girl slapped you
you would slap her back
the only reason yall saying anythn at all
is cuz shes somewhat ok looking
but i wouldv done it