How bhangra should be done Folk

[Karan P Singh]

Now when I say teams are moving Away and Away from Folk Bhangra and the Whole Entire Performance looks like an Act

A Prime Example is : Bhangra Empire.

 

[KushK]

I'm glad you're an AEG fan tho

 

[Karan P Singh]

I'm glad you're an AEG fan tho

yea Aeg im deff a fan of I love bhangra I love teams like that, like Nj, Shan e etc I just cant stand teams like Empire. Now ofcourse there's going to be people who disagree with me but I'm just speaking my mind and + Ik some aeg members too

 

[Karan P Singh]

Karan, for the sake of humanity, please stop this thread from progressing. As a veteran of the BTF community, I can't even tell you how of many of these "folk" vs "modern" threads we've had in the past.

If you really want answers to your questions (especially when you bring up 2008), why not go back and read some of the post from around that time period from people who were dancing on teams at the time or were closely following the circuit? I'm not even sure the majority of people on BTF or dancing nowadays even remember the AVAP competition.

Here is a big "Modern vs. Traditional bhangra" thread from early 2009: http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/main-bhangra-discussion/re-modern-vs-traditional-bhangra-round-547/

Other topics that touch on the issue are below -
"Modern vs Traditional Competitions": http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/main-bhangra-discussion/modern-or-traditional-competition-which-one-do-you-prefer/
"Is Live Bhangra Dead?": http://bhangrateamsforum.com/discuss/main-bhangra-discussion/after-reading-what-turbo-wrote-is-live-bhangra-dead/

Additionally, go read the relevant posts of Gibb Schreffler who has done IMMENSE research on the topic of how "folk" bhangra started and how it progressed to the stage. In particular, check out this thread: A visual history of bhangra


After you've done your "homework," I would be glad to have a discussion if you aren't satisfied with everything that has been discussed/talked about already.

~ Basim

Because I hate reading and I have my own oppinion about this Topic. & That may be an option if I knew how to stop it

 

[Psant]

all teams now still have the traditional steps in the routines just because they add a gimmick or different formations and dont dance in 2 lines all the time doesnt mean they are getting further and further it means they are getting creative. they just add twists to make it even better and fun watch live teams in India they have modern twists to it too.

So less emphasis on dancing and more on gimicks can win you a competition, For example
UNC brought a marching band to that one competition but lets face it The performance was Wack
thats just one example NYPD killed it that performance and Ik thats modernized but it still looks Sick As Hell, Alot of co ed modernized teams are just doing retarded gimicks

How did bringing the marching band in the background affect the dance? Just curious. That 'gimmick' was not emphasized in the planning of the routine overall, and the band mostly did their own thing while the team danced in front. It's not like we started rolling on the ground or something.

 

[Karan P Singh]

all teams now still have the traditional steps in the routines just because they add a gimmick or different formations and dont dance in 2 lines all the time doesnt mean they are getting further and further it means they are getting creative. they just add twists to make it even better and fun watch live teams in India they have modern twists to it too.

So less emphasis on dancing and more on gimicks can win you a competition, For example
UNC brought a marching band to that one competition but lets face it The performance was Wack
thats just one example NYPD killed it that performance and Ik thats modernized but it still looks Sick As Hell, Alot of co ed modernized teams are just doing retarded gimicks

How did bringing the marching band in the background affect the dance? Just curious. That 'gimmick' was not emphasized in the planning of the routine overall, and the band mostly did their own thing while the team danced in front. It's not like we started rolling on the ground or something.

But it had alot to do with why you gys won that competition. a marching band has nothing to do with bhangra and thats mainly why I used your team as an example it was an act


Not taking away from your dancing skills cause the dancers are good but that performance if you based it Just on dancing and Choreography in my oppinion you wouldnt have won which brings me to my next point that Judges are just looking for Acts rather than real performances

 

[Karan P Singh]

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[Psant]

all teams now still have the traditional steps in the routines just because they add a gimmick or different formations and dont dance in 2 lines all the time doesnt mean they are getting further and further it means they are getting creative. they just add twists to make it even better and fun watch live teams in India they have modern twists to it too.

So less emphasis on dancing and more on gimicks can win you a competition, For example
UNC brought a marching band to that one competition but lets face it The performance was Wack
thats just one example NYPD killed it that performance and Ik thats modernized but it still looks Sick As Hell, Alot of co ed modernized teams are just doing retarded gimicks

How did bringing the marching band in the background affect the dance? Just curious. That 'gimmick' was not emphasized in the planning of the routine overall, and the band mostly did their own thing while the team danced in front. It's not like we started rolling on the ground or something.

But it was the reason why you gys won that competition. Not taking away from your dancing skills cause the dancers are good but that performance if you based it Just on dancing and Choreography Nypd shouldve won but Im not getting into that. a marching band has nothing to do with bhangra and thats mainly why I used your team as an example

Ah, okay. I mean, it was the judges decision in the end. We were honored to even be even invited. NYPD and UNC certainly have different styles though, so I can see that you prefer theirs. No point in arguing opinions.


To be honest, if you're arguing for dance/choreo, claiming JJ should have won is a better argument.

 

[Karan P Singh]

all teams now still have the traditional steps in the routines just because they add a gimmick or different formations and dont dance in 2 lines all the time doesnt mean they are getting further and further it means they are getting creative. they just add twists to make it even better and fun watch live teams in India they have modern twists to it too.

So less emphasis on dancing and more on gimicks can win you a competition, For example
UNC brought a marching band to that one competition but lets face it The performance was Wack
thats just one example NYPD killed it that performance and Ik thats modernized but it still looks Sick As Hell, Alot of co ed modernized teams are just doing retarded gimicks

How did bringing the marching band in the background affect the dance? Just curious. That 'gimmick' was not emphasized in the planning of the routine overall, and the band mostly did their own thing while the team danced in front. It's not like we started rolling on the ground or something.

But it was the reason why you gys won that competition. Not taking away from your dancing skills cause the dancers are good but that performance if you based it Just on dancing and Choreography Nypd shouldve won but Im not getting into that. a marching band has nothing to do with bhangra and thats mainly why I used your team as an example

Ah, okay. I mean, it was the judges decision in the end. We were honored to even be even invited. NYPD and UNC certainly have different styles though, so I can see that you prefer theirs. No point in arguing opinions.

Respect bro, Again I'm not saying anything about the dancers Individually because you guys are talented but yea your right no point of arguing oppinions for this in particular

 

[venividivici]

From what i gather you don't have a problem with modern bhangra, your just sexist

 

[Karan P Singh]

From what i gather you don't have a problem with modern bhangra, your just sexist

Hell no I love girls
I mean I dont like watching Co ed teams but im not saying Girls arent good cause theyres Alottt of talented dancers who happen to be girls and some All girl teams are sick too but I'm talking more about ridiculous acts and gimicks that im sorry to say but wayyyy more co ed teams tend to do

 

[Karan P Singh]

I don't agree with these folk topics. If you're doing bhangra to music, you can be as original as you want with the moves but you're still not folk. Folk bhangra is done on dhol and dhol only, everything else is a form of modern bhangra. 2008 was modern bhangra and 2012-2013 will continue to be the same modern bhangra but just further evolved, it was never really folk in the first place.

And the scene isn't moving further and further away from bhangra, the effort is just more concentrated on getting first place and doing what it takes to get that trophy rather then putting on a nostalgic old school flavored show for fans, which is totally understandable when considering the costs/time that goes into making a set, + that oldschool bhangra looks a lot easier to perform then the routines being danced on stage today, so maybe dancers just like the challenge of it too? not sure about that since I'm not a dancer but when something gets easy or repetitive, evolving or increasing the difficulty is usually the next step.



deep down inside we all love this new shit, cuz its da bomb! who wouldn't want to see some crazy stunts being performed live?! modern all the wayyy

Insane stunts do look sweet but if its the reason they win a certain competition I think its ridiculous because at the end of the day it looks like an act not a bhangra performance and at the end of the day its still a Bhangra Competition. Now Im not at all talking about Nypd cause there sick as hell

 

[Karan P Singh]

 

[Mans]

Gimmicks wise, if they do not really effect the choreography I don't really see no problem why they are there i.e. UNC's marching band. They were just in the backround doing there own thing. Other examples is like the SGPD leprechaun kick or VCU's joker.

 

[Nav Aujla]

all teams now still have the traditional steps in the routines just because they add a gimmick or different formations and dont dance in 2 lines all the time doesnt mean they are getting further and further it means they are getting creative. they just add twists to make it even better and fun watch live teams in India they have modern twists to it too.

So less emphasis on dancing and more on gimicks can win you a competition, For example
UNC brought a marching band to that one competition but lets face it The performance was Wack
thats just one example NYPD killed it that performance and Ik thats modernized but it still looks Sick As Hell, Alot of co ed modernized teams are just doing retarded gimicks

How did bringing the marching band in the background affect the dance? Just curious. That 'gimmick' was not emphasized in the planning of the routine overall, and the band mostly did their own thing while the team danced in front. It's not like we started rolling on the ground or something.

If you are trying to take a shot at us, please dont take the JayZ approach. lol

 

[Bhangra Critic]

Karan brother I 100% agree with you, some teams take the whole gimmick aspect of bhangra and make it into some sort of act. But they will never understand because simply theres too many of them to disagree with us and they want to continue their silly acting, so lets jus let them. For the sake of bhangra i hope team like NJ, NYPD, JJ, AEG, etc. keep doing their thing and let these college/co-ed hopefully one day realize the difference.

 

[Karan P Singh]

Karan brother I 100% agree with you, some teams take the whole gimmick aspect of bhangra and make it into some sort of act. But they will never understand because simply theres too many of them to disagree with us and they want to continue their silly acting, so lets jus let them. For the sake of bhangra i hope team like NJ, NYPD, JJ, AEG, etc. keep doing their thing and let these college/co-ed hopefully one day realize the difference.

Finally someone who understands and appreciates the true beauty of real bhangra

 

[J-Skeet]

Finally someone who understands and appreciates the true beauty of real bhangra



That's not real Bhangra...no one even knows what real Bhangra is. <--Jhoomer done now-a-days compare it to saraiki Jhoomer smh. If you want to go back to the the topic,"How bhangra should be done Folk", then you make no sense. UNC is known as being more folk than modern. Yes they had their band come in and that may have played a part in them winning in Elite, but look at NYPDs performance---> the floor slide saap move, the America's best dance crew foot shuffle, karate kicks (not calling out NYPD I liked your set over UNCs anyway). Seriously get your head out of your a3s and realize that you make no sense. You obviously have something against co-ed..and most likely you're against all-girl bhangra teams as well. Look at all the sets from elite...none of them had the basic folk-esque style to them. Lmao "real bhangra". I mean at the end of the day I do like all those teams that you mentioned, but guy you're a dumbass. Learn what folk is, and try to learn how to articulate what you mean in a better way before you make claims of what "real bhangra" is.

 

[Bhangra Critic]

Finally someone who understands and appreciates the true beauty of real bhangra



That's not real Bhangra...no one even knows what real Bhangra is. <--Jhoomer done now-a-days compare it to saraiki Jhoomer smh. If you want to go back to the the topic,"How bhangra should be done Folk", then you make no sense. UNC is known as being more folk than modern. Yes they had their band come in and that may have played a part in them winning in Elite, but look at NYPDs performance---> the floor slide saap move, the America's best dance crew foot shuffle, karate kicks (not calling out NYPD I liked your set over UNCs anyway). Seriously get your head out of your a3s and realize that you make no sense. You obviously have something against co-ed..and most likely you're against all-girl bhangra teams as well. Look at all the sets from elite...none of them had the basic folk-esque style to them. Lmao "real bhangra". I mean at the end of the day I do like all those teams that you mentioned, but guy you're a dumbass. Learn what folk is, and try to learn how to articulate what you mean in a better way before you make claims of what "real bhangra" is.

No not really. There are great girl teams SMD,TAG,PANJ girls and as for co-ed VCU was one of the greatest teams of all time just a couple years ago. Its more of the recent teams bringing out crap. As for the difference between the NYPD slide and the band for UNC, the slide just made the saap segment unique and didn't take anything away from it being a saap segment but more of a wow factor, as for the band what does that have to do anything with bhangra, it wasn't a move incorporation and didn't even relate itself with bhangra, the slide had incorporate the use of saaps. Like said before there's too many of you in the current circuit that see nothing wrong wit these "act" or what you call gimmicks that me saying this is jus gunna get all of you defensive. Just think about how the two are different, one lasted 3 seconds and Incorporated a saap, the other was a band....and nothing else....try to see the difference. Some might argue NYPDs 300 gimmick then but even that incorporated bhangra which can be seen from 9:46 to 9:56, and i only use NYPD and UNC as an example since they both been mentioned so much. Why im ranting about this is because the circuit in NA is going down, and im just hop[ing for it to go back up, especially in the co-ed department.

 

[J-Skeet]

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No not really. There are great girl teams SMD,TAG,PANJ girls and as for co-ed VCU was one of the greatest teams of all time just a couple years ago. Its more of the recent teams bringing out crap. As for the difference between the NYPD slide and the band for UNC, the slide just made the saap segment unique and didn't take anything away from it being a saap segment but more of a wow factor, as for the band what does that have to do anything with bhangra, it wasn't a move incorporation and didn't even relate itself with bhangra, the slide had incorporate the use of saaps. Like said before there's too many of you in the current circuit that see nothing wrong wit these "act" or what you call gimmicks that me saying this is jus gunna get all of you defensive. Just think about how the two are different, one lasted 3 seconds and Incorporated a saap, the other was a band....and nothing else....try to see the difference. Some might argue NYPDs 300 gimmick then but even that incorporated bhangra which can be seen from 9:46 to 9:56, and i only use NYPD and UNC as an example since they both been mentioned so much. Why im ranting about this is because the circuit in NA is going down, and im just hop[ing for it to go back up, especially in the co-ed department.



My message wasn't to you. As for the band gimmick...I thought it had nothing to do with Bhangra either I only referenced it to compare it to NYPD doing stunts and gimmicks too. What it seems like Karan is trying to say is that real Bhangra is done by NYPD, JJ, AEG etc etc etc and that this is what the whole circuit should look like. Frankly it's not and it shouldn't. If it weren't for teams like Empire, whom I don't support, we wouldn't have half the level of Bhangra that we do now.---> Formations...look at those Avab formations vs what's in the circuit now. Basically the teams that you support wouldn't be dancing the way that they do now if it wasn't for the teams that you dislike...Just because you don't like a style doesn't mean that they suck. I don't mean to mention Empire again, but almost everyone I know personally dislikes Empire yet can still acknowledge them for being a top team. LMAO in NA it's going down? Traditionally it's moving into less like live sets? Yes. Is it going down? Heck no! Bhangra awareness has never been this high. The reason why I'm even responding to this thread is because Karan doesn't know what folk is and he shouldn't imply that he does. As for the UNC v NYPD debate, it's been discussed. People know who should've won etc etc. There is no need to bring it up to show what "real bhangra" is. P.S. F grammar