Live sets singer should be judged, Live v music

[J-Skeet]

Been wondering this for a while, but I'll bring it up now. In a live set should the singer, dholi etc be judged with as much weight as the actual dancers themselves? I mean the biggest noticeable difference between music and live is the singer v mix setting. I understand that it sounds a bit harsh, but I think that it's only fair especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...


Also been brought up and discussed before too...but why do comps have placings with 1 live team and the rest music? I just can't understand why or even how you would be able to fairly judge this. I can understand if they're are dropouts, but even then it's questionable.



Note: Part 1 is a general question...and because I know it'll be brought up, Yes part2 is about MCB and all the other comps that allow this

 

[J Wong]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

 

[Bhangraboy234]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

I agree, if anything, live sets have more speed and flow to them that music sets lack. As for judging live vs music, there is no correct way. When the rubric emphasizes folk elements and traditionality, a live team has an advantage already compared to music teams. Competitions should only accept live teams if there is a live category. You got to keep the two seperate, they can't be judged under one rubric at the same time. The opposite is quite true for competitions with more modern rubrics, live teams there are at a disadvantage. An event similar to NJ being the only live team at MCB happened at Big Apple last year, PCBCA was the only live team left after others had dropped out. They went up against all music teams and got first, judged by a folk rubric. This issue is going to stay for some time on the circuit until we reach a solution

 

[Shahrukh]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

You got to keep the two seperate, they can't be judged under one rubric at the same time. This issue is going to stay for some time on the circuit until we reach a solution

solution is simple comps keep 2 separate categories, live category needs a minimum of 3 teams and you place one of those 3. you tell all 3 teams that if one of the other two teams drop out there will no longer be a live category and they will not be able to perform. One thing i love about wbbc is that if one of the 2 pairings drop out the other team has to drop out as well. Hopefully this will encourage teams to actually think if they can commit to going to a comp rather than applying getting in and dropping out last minute. But yeah comps need to just say that if there are not 3 live teams then too bad shits not happening, because it is completely unfair to all the music teams, and i cant even imagine the headache that causes for the judges.

 

[Shawn Johal]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

You got to keep the two seperate, they can't be judged under one rubric at the same time. This issue is going to stay for some time on the circuit until we reach a solution

solution is simple comps keep 2 separate categories, live category needs a minimum of 3 teams and you place one of those 3. you tell all 3 teams that if one of the other two teams drop out there will no longer be a live category and they will not be able to perform. One thing i love about wbbc is that if one of the 2 pairings drop out the other team has to drop out as well. Hopefully this will encourage teams to actually think if they can commit to going to a comp rather than applying getting in and dropping out last minute. But yeah comps need to just say that if there are not 3 live teams then too bad shits not happening, because it is completely unfair to all the music teams, and i cant even imagine the headache that causes for the judges.

+1.

 

[J-Skeet]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

I was talking purely about the music aspect of live sets

 

[Bhangraboy234]

...especially when you're giving up hypeness, speed, fluidity and then you have weak singer...

Since when does live give up hypeness, speed, and fluidity? Look at DAV, G.H.G, PAU, etc. They have all of the aforementioned qualities.

I was talking purely about the music aspect of live sets

I'm sure most dancers who have done live and music would agree that the music used in live is as hype as music used in mixes. Obviously mixes have more going on, with sound effects, bass drops, etc, but none can quite emulate the sound you get from a live band. I personally would enjoy dancing to live more than music. But I guess it all depends on the person and their preferences

 

[Manu]

It only makes sense to judge singers and dholis based on the quality of their performances. A team with a god awful singer and dholi should clearly be docked, and those with a decent to excellent duo should receive nearly full points. Live teams will always have a folk advantage over music teams, but if their bands don't hold up, then that advantage disappears.


Issue with judging this way, I realize, is that most judges aren't anywhere near qualified to assess the quality of singing and dhol playing. It'd be extremely difficult to find judges of that calibre.


Overall though, music and live should be two different categories.

 

[mafzal]

Issue with judging this way, I realize, is that most judges aren't anywhere near qualified to assess the quality of singing and dhol playing. It'd be extremely difficult to find judges of that calibre.

You!!

 

[Waleed]

Overall though, music and live should be two different categories.

+1