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Mixes are not intellecual property

Saab

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[Sher] Imran said:
In essence, isn't posting your mix a form of "publication?" Any book, news article, etc that is made accessible to the public by the author is there for everyone's enjoyment. However within that category of "everyone," i would say there are two circles: one being the general population, and the second being the more "educated" group. By educated I mean the people that are in the industry and know how it works. General population would be considered everyone else. If I was the author of a 10 page article in a science journal, I would have an expectation that my some of my stuff would be jacked/plagarized by the general population (college/HS kids doing their papers at the last second, people making minor presentations in science class, etc). However, I would be extremely disappointed if I found out that my colleagues or others in the educated group (fellow scientists/doctors/etc) ripped my stuff, because they should be doing their own work. I would have a higher expectation of their behavior in regards to publications. Wouldn't the same apply here?
I think that sharing/posting stuff comes with an inherent understanding that there is a lot of hardwork that went into that video/mix/article/etc. I would imagine that that understanding would be especially prevalent among people in the same industry, aka BTFers/fellow dancers

I agree with you bro, I would expect to hold BTF to higher standards as well.

However I dont know if grouping everyone into BTF into one stratosphere would work. There a lot of people on here who havent posted or even, to most of the members, been active in the site. A lot of those people might take mixes(probably a small few, but I think its safe to say most btf members are legit). Just as you propose the analogy(albeit a pretty dead on one) there is not "government"or "court" to sit there and make a structure that everyone will abide by and everyone will follow. Part of the problem is what I listed above(members) and what others have said, the area is just too grey.

Every instance on this issue(and I think this percolates to other issues in bhangra), I think, can be safely categorized on "goodwill". A lot of the stuff posted on this thread is a seems like an issue that people had their own code for. I think its safe to say that most BTF'ers, although not speaking about this issue before, would have likely not ripped a mix(at least without asking for it). I dont see a time where it would be manageable to track such usage, and I dont think it would be the proper thing to do.

Pretty much we trust each other. A lot of people are people that believe that people on this site wont violate the sanctity of their hard work and use it again, and others dont post mixes because they think people might sample material/use stuff. Finally, you get the group of people that dont care. Those kind of mixed signals need to be clarified. The most I think we can do is put a disclaimer on material that you dont want used, and at least ask for permission/give you props if they use your stuff and trust that works.

Sure, sulman, we are spoiled kids in terms of the fact that we get mixes. You have to realize the risks when you post mixes, even if you post thinking no one on BTF will steal your stuff, your overlooking every possibility. Be pissed, but be logical. There are just so many different places your monsters can go, you just have no idea where there going to end up. Please let me stay spoiled, because you might be tempted to not post your mixes people, but I promise I wont rip/take/or otherwise spoil your mixes.

...and Realistically thats all you can ask of anyone on this site. Trust.
 

mafzal

Judge / Dancer
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[Sher] Imran said:
In essence, isn't posting your mix a form of "publication?" Any book, news article, etc that is made accessible to the public by the author is there for everyone's enjoyment. However within that category of "everyone," i would say there are two circles: one being the general population, and the second being the more "educated" group. By educated I mean the people that are in the industry and know how it works. General population would be considered everyone else. If I was the author of a 10 page article in a science journal, I would have an expectation that my some of my stuff would be jacked/plagarized by the general population (college/HS kids doing their papers at the last second, people making minor presentations in science class, etc). However, I would be extremely disappointed if I found out that my colleagues or others in the educated group (fellow scientists/doctors/etc) ripped my stuff, because they should be doing their own work. I would have a higher expectation of their behavior in regards to publications. Wouldn't the same apply here?
I think that sharing/posting stuff comes with an inherent understanding that there is a lot of hardwork that went into that video/mix/article/etc. I would imagine that that understanding would be especially prevalent among people in the same industry, aka BTFers/fellow dancers
I think this is a great analogy imran. props.
 

Jeeti

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Mariam said:
[Sher] Imran said:
In essence, isn't posting your mix a form of "publication?" Any book, news article, etc that is made accessible to the public by the author is there for everyone's enjoyment. However within that category of "everyone," i would say there are two circles: one being the general population, and the second being the more "educated" group. By educated I mean the people that are in the industry and know how it works. General population would be considered everyone else. If I was the author of a 10 page article in a science journal, I would have an expectation that my some of my stuff would be jacked/plagarized by the general population (college/HS kids doing their papers at the last second, people making minor presentations in science class, etc). However, I would be extremely disappointed if I found out that my colleagues or others in the educated group (fellow scientists/doctors/etc) ripped my stuff, because they should be doing their own work. I would have a higher expectation of their behavior in regards to publications. Wouldn't the same apply here?
I think that sharing/posting stuff comes with an inherent understanding that there is a lot of hardwork that went into that video/mix/article/etc. I would imagine that that understanding would be especially prevalent among people in the same industry, aka BTFers/fellow dancers
I think this is a great analogy imran. props.
Not to beat a dead horse...but Imran....that post was one of the most eloquent and well thought out posts I have ever read on this website...and that is saying something...

no homo.
 

Gurvir

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Mariam said:
[Sher] Imran said:
In essence, isn't posting your mix a form of "publication?" Any book, news article, etc that is made accessible to the public by the author is there for everyone's enjoyment. However within that category of "everyone," i would say there are two circles: one being the general population, and the second being the more "educated" group. By educated I mean the people that are in the industry and know how it works. General population would be considered everyone else. If I was the author of a 10 page article in a science journal, I would have an expectation that my some of my stuff would be jacked/plagarized by the general population (college/HS kids doing their papers at the last second, people making minor presentations in science class, etc). However, I would be extremely disappointed if I found out that my colleagues or others in the educated group (fellow scientists/doctors/etc) ripped my stuff, because they should be doing their own work. I would have a higher expectation of their behavior in regards to publications. Wouldn't the same apply here?
I think that sharing/posting stuff comes with an inherent understanding that there is a lot of hardwork that went into that video/mix/article/etc. I would imagine that that understanding would be especially prevalent among people in the same industry, aka BTFers/fellow dancers
I think this is a great analogy imran. props.
that basically sums it up in the best way possible
 
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