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Food for fuel: Olympian Phelps' unusual dietGurkaran said:
"Be a man." Really? Well if you're gonna question my manliness I guess I have to respond, I can't think of anything more important than that. Not rationality, measuredness, deliberation, humility. None of that. I actually think my earlier statement was quite useful in highlighting how ridiculous your claims were, but that's a matter of opinion I guess. But just to make you happy (and since I've got nothing better to do)...Vick said:
Wow, well I'll let Meistro handle the Jordan part since he clearly knows more about that than I do.Vick said:
Does Pujols have an entire Wikipedia entry devoted only to his records? Nope. Neither does Bonds, actually, and here's how small his list is in comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Bonds#Records_held. All this, and Federer was never suspected of drug/steroid use, either.
that had to be one of the most retarded things you've said in your ENTIRE life. WOWWWWWWWWWWWW. Bonds was a bigger force? Lemme ask you mr. vick. Did bonds have 23 pairs of shoes from the time he was drafted til now? Does he have his own brand of shoes? WAIT, wait, wait, IS HE EVEN ENDORSING ANY BRANDS? Yeah, thats right, because he's a roid monkey and he always will be. Bonds was a bigger force? I think not. Jordan not only made his teammates better, but he made EVERYBODY in the NBA step their games up, cuz they knew #23 was gonna be in town. Guys had to becme EXTRA physical with jordan because they didnt have the skill to actually defend him or be defended. Now that we look in retrospect, what kind of a force was bonds really? He has lost all credibility. How many would he have hit if he didnt CHEAT his way to the record he set. Yeah I kno you're gonna give me the whole "oh, but he has such great hand-eye coordination". But even so. Theres tons of guys in in the MLB with great hand-eye coordination. That argument is invalid. Just like Mark McGwire sitting the single season home run record. He was a roid monkey just like bonds. He lost ALL credibility. Where is he now? Nowhere, and thats exactly where bonds is going!!!!!..............however, on a lighter note....................GO CANUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vick said:
Bonds was walked intentionally with the BASES LOADED... That is the equivalent of Jordan being gaurded by 5 men, which never happened... Thank you come again... Walking a man intentionally with the base loaded is the highest respect you can give in athlete in any damn sport... Bonds didnt care about his marketability, he didnt give a rats fart about the media... Jordan loved the media, he used it to create his empire... You dont compare to players based on how many shoes one guy has... Bonds never cared... Bonds was walked like 200 times in one season and still put up MVP numbers, that's the equivalent of Jordan playing 20 mins a night and average 35 points, once again, that never happened... Bonds saw 1 pitch to hit the entire night, and guess what he did with that one pitch, it landed 400 feet away in Mccovey cove... What Bonds was able to do with so many fewer chances blows Jordan out of the water... It's a lot harder to hit a ball 400 feet consistently than it is to hit 3 pointers and 20 ft fade away shots consistently... If Baseball was as big globally as Basketball is and Bonds' actually cared about his image and embraced the media, he would be right there with Jordan in terms of popularity... You are right though, 20 years from now Jordan will still be a global icon... Teams had to sign pitchers just so they could get Bonds out ONCE in a WHOLE game... I'm talking about relief pitchers here... He won more MVP's than Jordan and stayed loyal to the fans in San Francisco, something you can't say about Jordan and Chicago... Jordan was the best baller in the world, but Bonds' impact on opposing teams was far greater...Meistro said:
I really am trying to distance myself from the bhangra world, but I heard there was a really ridiculous conversation being held here...Vick said:
So Vick, you called me out, questioned my manliness (which I'm still upset about), and called me a cowardly dog with my tail between my legs, and this is the response I get? You STILL haven't told me why you don't consider golf a sport, so I guess I can't argue with you there. Your logic about the IOC is way off target (pun intended). Archery has been a part of the Olympics since the ancient Greeks, and shooting has been in the Olympics since 1932 (says Wikipedia), and that's a whole lot of Olympic Committees to just "get something wrong." Also, I'm always going to take their word about what is or is not a sport over yours. It is their job, after all.Vick said:
Oh boy...............Bonds being walked with the bases loaded IS NOT the equivalent to Jordan being guarded by 5 guys. How can you even compare the two? Yeah guys getting out of the way because they cant contest a dunk by Jordan is hella respect too, but you don't see me hollerin about that. See Vivak, you don't get it. By walking Bonds, the opposing team basically said, 'hey we give up, we'll let you walk". Thats not the concept of sports. The concept of professional sports is to be COMPETITIVE. What did Jordan do? When else did you see guys like John Starks, Reggie Miller, Joe Dumars, Jeff Hornacek, among others, step their games up as much as they did when facing Jordan? THAT is respect. THAT is what sports is all about. Not giving up just cuz some dude taking steroids is smacking a ball 400 ft. Find a way to get his ass out. That is why Eric Gagne got so much respect because he was competitive. he FACED barry bonds. Yeah sure he got pwned a few times. But he faced bonds.Vick said:
Has it ever occurred to you that Tiger is so good at golf because he's not just a "95 year old guy who can walk and lift a 2 pound metal twig"? The reason he can bench 350 lbs is because he thinks it improves his game to be in top physical condition, and if that is true, doesn't that make golf a sport by your definition? And that's true for any sport. I mean, anybody can pick up a basketball and try to throw it in a hoop, but you won't be as good as Jordan unless you train and get fit.Vick said:
