MUST WATCH: GIANI SAYING THAT BHANGRA IS A DANCE OF HEATHENS

[Meistro]

Ohhhhh LAWWWWWWWD this guy....... WOW. What a damn fanatic. Brainwashing those kids. Holy crap. I love how he said "Bhangra Hinduaan dha kum ah".....way to teach religion. wow

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=516576240424&ref=nf

 

[Saleem]

Taking attention away from your spirituality really applies to anything not just bhangra, silly to apply it just to bhangra.

Meistro, I'd edit your post. Right or wrong, it's offensive to call a teacher of a religion an ass hat.

 

[ban3rg]

yea i agree man. Ass hat was over the line, but I'm sure you don't REAALLY think that, just trying to keep it lighthearted or whatnot.

This actually came up in my news feed thing and I read a bunch of the comments below the video. I can see where he is coming from. No religious person would condone dancing to the tune of some of the songs you hear out there today. I think it is clear what he is trying to say and he is not attacking Bhangra just for Bhangra, rather Bhangra in the context of inappropriate songs/lyrics. Or, he is just saying what anyone else would, what probably even our parents would, "Instead of rushing to read baani and do seva, we are always anxious to rush to bhangra comps, etc." which is a valid point...

Although it's a bit strange/hurtful that he said "Bhangra Hinduaan da kum ah" I understand what he is getting at. That too is just a figure of speech. He wouldn't say this if the music scene was more PG, let's just put it that way.

 

[Vic]

"when u go to Bhnagra you will finish"


..............


finish first motherfucker


HAHAHA

we should all keep that mentality ahhaah

 

[TheBraveOne]

you should not swear at him he brings up a very valid point...."nachna tapna mann ka chao"

but "hinduan da kum" is obviously wrong

 

[Meistro]

Alright fine, its edited............BUT, what kind of a religious teacher is he that he's teaching kids that bhangra is "hinduaan da kum"? Turbo, with that statement, why are you so surprised that I called him an asshat? Doesn't sikhi teach love for all religions? Just because this giani is wearing a pugh and a karpan doesn't make his fanatical statements righteous. Do you really think the kids in that class will have respect for hindu's after this "religious teacher" taught them NOT to do bhangra because its a dance of heathens and that only HINDUS do it..........and he is a damn fanatic. Someone who places their religion above all when it our religion clearly teaches love for all and peace, is not one to be respected.

 

[Saab]

I am not sikh or punjabi and will not pretend to be but I agree with turbo in the content of videos and their graphic content. With my lack of knowledge of punjabi and punjabi lyrics, sometimes I feel really out of place when people tell me what they actually mean and I realize the content isn't something I agree with. I believe that you can make good songs without having to bring topics of avarice into the lyrics(note just my opinion) and I sincerely believe that was what Giani-ji was talking about. I am sure that if you asked him to clarify, he would probably go into detail about his explanation and provide something along these lines. Finally, I think its really important that the reason you say things that are really powerful and controversial is because they make people think, and although we might not agree with what he says(I still will do bhangra) I think that this makes us more conscious about whats going on and lets us think about something that we might have thrown "under the rug" if this had not been brought up.

just my opinion

Ram Mahalingam

 

[ban3rg]

Alright fine, its edited............BUT, what kind of a religious teacher is he that he's teaching kids that bhangra is "hinduaan da kum"? Turbo, with that statement, why are you so surprised that I called him an asshat? Doesn't sikhi teach love for all religions? Just because this giani is wearing a pugh and a karpan doesn't make his fanatical statements righteous. Do you really think the kids in that class will have respect for hindu's after this "religious teacher" taught them NOT to do bhangra because its a dance of heathens and that only HINDUS do it..........and he is a damn fanatic. Someone who places their religion above all when it our religion clearly teaches love for all and peace, is not one to be respected.

Just in the interest of giving him a chance (and i don't know why i need to defend him, i guess i'm just trying to see both sides of the coin), maybe he associates dance with Hindus because there are in fact different religious dances associated with Hinduism. For example, Bharatnatyam and Odissi were both done by ancient temple dancers, and "apsaras" were proficient in arts and dance. Maybe he is referring to this, who knows. That's not important.

So, just givin' him the benefit of the doubt. It may very well be that he said it in a derogatory fashion (his tone sounded pretty derogatory/dismissive) but just tryin' to be fair....I mean he seems like a nice guy haha - but he could have put it more reasonably.

 

[Vick]

Someone want to describe to me what an "asshat" is? I'm trying to picture it here, and it aint working... haha...

 

[Meistro]

hahahaha asshat is such a joking put down. Seriously I don't know why that term alone got taken out of context.

 

[ban3rg]

hahahaha asshat is such a joking put down. Seriously I don't know why that term alone got taken out of context.

that's fine dude it just sounds mad disrespectful. It doesn't matter if the term was "asshat" or "lame-o" the idea is the same...

 

[jvirk]

i disagree completely with this gianni ji (respectively)..and the statement about hinduan da kam is veryyyy wrong..im very ticked off that a sikh priest would say that..i am sikh and i do bhangra daily as the captain of my team..i love my culture, heritage, and most of my team (ecu muqabla) is hindu..very wrong for him to say this..although its his opinion..i disagree with him completely

justin singh virk
ecu muqabla

 

[faizan]

bhangra is haram.

 

[Summy]

other than hinduaya dey kaam comment, and the implied inferiroity with that comment, nothing he said was that outrageous.

I dont like bhangra, because a) the lyrics, b) how widely it has been diluted, and c) the type of people that listen to it. For a sikh (obviously looking at the guy, he is one of those, im born a sikh characters), the types of lyrics that Bhangra promotes is inherently anti sikhi. Someone asked isnt sikhi for the respect of all religions, yeah, and thats why what he said was stupid. But it is also against intoxication, against demeaning women.

People try to create the dicotomy of the types of Bhangra. Its such a faulty argument for so many reasons, I wont go into any.

I dont agree with the extent to what he said it, and why people are mixing this guy up as a teacher of sikhi is beyond me. Just becasue they may be in a gurdwara, dont take his words to be what is being taught or that he is teaching RELIGION.

The fact of the matter is, and he spoke the truth a bit, those who are involved in bhangra take away from the true meaning of what it means to be a sikh or a punjabi. Bhangra was celebrated in times of good harvest, but kids nowadays think that we should pimp out the culture because dancing is fun.

I wish he said it in a more respectful, and non religious degrading way, it would have been more affective to the kids. I dont think that bhangra is completely bad, but to the extent that you kids take it to is too far, and it usually leads to very underdeveloped minds which I think he is eluding to.

 

[Tuckerrrr]

he's too disrespectful, too judgemental for my liking. he's right that we shouldn't let our mind wander into the lyrics, but i disagree about sikhs not doing bhangra or giddah lol. cmon dude, dancing keeps you fit. it's good for ur health. it's only detrimental when u start gettin into the lyrics of alot of the songs imo.

there are plenty of gursikhs who do bhangra.

 

[Nikhil]

People try to create the dicotomy of the types of Bhangra. Its such a faulty argument for so many reasons, I wont go into any.

This is for distinction amongst competing teams. Summy, you don't dance so I'm not sure how you would understand that it is inevitable and useful. Don't really understand how faulty of an argument it is seeing as how there is no argument...its just a breakdown of how its presented.

 

[meryum]

bhangra is haram.

muslims don't do bhangra. astaghfirullah.

 

[Waleed]

bhangra is haram.

muslims don't do bhangra. astaghfirullah.

When watching this video I couldn't help but notice how similar the man sounded to a strict Muslim. Dancing in public or for show is looked down upon in stricter Islamic circles. Some hardcore Muslims will actually use the same logic that "ay hinduaya dey kaam aan", ofcourse I don't agree but its interesting to note that in Islam, 'dance & music' is always associated with Hinduism for some reason. Another similarity that struck me was his emphasis on wrestling as that was also one of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) favorite past time and Muslims are encouraged to wrestle as a hobby as it is a 'sunnah' of the Prophet (pbuh).

 

[Saleem]

bhangra is haram.

muslims don't do bhangra. astaghfirullah.

When watching this video I couldn't help but notice how similar the man sounded to a strict Muslim. Dancing in public or for show is looked down upon in stricter Islamic circles. Some hardcore Muslims will actually use the same logic that "ay hinduaya dey kaam aan", ofcourse I don't agree but its interesting to note that in Islam, 'dance & music' is always associated with Hinduism for some reason. Another similarity that struck me was his emphasis on wrestling as that was also one of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) favorite past time and Muslims are encouraged to wrestle as a hobby as it is a 'sunnah' of the Prophet (pbuh).

This is why we had a wrestling segment in our mundey's dance in 2003-4

 

[meryum]

bhangra is haram.

muslims don't do bhangra. astaghfirullah.

When watching this video I couldn't help but notice how similar the man sounded to a strict Muslim. Dancing in public or for show is looked down upon in stricter Islamic circles. Some hardcore Muslims will actually use the same logic that "ay hinduaya dey kaam aan", ofcourse I don't agree but its interesting to note that in Islam, 'dance & music' is always associated with Hinduism for some reason. Another similarity that struck me was his emphasis on wrestling as that was also one of Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) favorite past time and Muslims are encouraged to wrestle as a hobby as it is a 'sunnah' of the Prophet (pbuh).

This is why we had a wrestling segment in our mundey's dance in 2003-4

dear saleem,
please stop using every possible opportunity to plug cornell bhangra 2002-2006
love
mzk