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pet peeves in bhangra
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parampreetsekhon
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Its kinda sad the way bhangra has changed over the past few years. It has gone from str8 up folk to some what fusion. Its not bad to introduce hip-hop songs in bhangra routine, but there should be a limit to those songs. Another thing is that teams need to focus more on their co-ordination rather than their formation.
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we were criticized for having too many dancers that needed ankle braces. i think 6 of our dancers needed them and a judges feedback stated that it was understandable if one or two people need them but not more than that. so apparently we need to be more selective of how many people on our team that have ankle/foot/leg issues that are allowed to wear braces...Kush said:
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LMAO...okay so I'm responding to this in a post b/c I do feel the need to defend whoever it was that wrote that in feedback to you b/c (a) there was an explanation for that statement that didn't come through in the email that we did comment on amongst ourselves, (b) the ankle braces explicitly were not something that affected your placing, and (c) i think it was disrespectful of Kush to write what he wrote considering there's a pretty good chance that whichever judge said that would read his post. PS - Harman, did i ever send you your feedback btw? i don't think i commented on ankle braces in my feedback but i'll be honest, there were a few things about that that did come up while we were talking amongst ourselves (and no offense intended here at all!):hsdeol said:
- the fact that half of your dancers needed one or two ankle braces each also (not so subtly) says something wrong about form, technique, the way you're practicing, and method of training your dancers...definitely agree that this is an assumption! and that it could be purely by chance that your team members all independently developed ankle problems before joining the team
but what i think that judge was getting at (that did come up in our discussion) was that good training does its best to avoid injuries, particularly those that would affect your performance in such a huge way. maybe there is something different you should be doing in terms of how hard you're pushing your dancers the week before a show...I know back to back practice schedules can definitely be hard on people's joints/muscles and if you're doing it all at one go, injuries can happen...- you guys have beautiful vardiyaan that you probably paid a lot of money for...why not pick up a few ankle braces that match your costumes when you go up on stage to perform? it's hard for people not to notice your ankle braces when you have such nice vardiyan, and a guy in a yellow/red uni is wearing 2 blue ankle braces, a guy in a green/blue uni is wearing a white ankle brace and a black one on the other ankle. okay i might be exaggerating a bit there...but i think the only point here is that it's a bit distracting right?
okay sorry this got way longer than i originally intended!
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Have you ever tried finding a hot pink/turqoise ankle brance ? If you find one, please let me knowGovind said:LMAO...okay so I'm responding to this in a post b/c I do feel the need to defend whoever it was that wrote that in feedback to you b/c (a) there was an explanation for that statement that didn't come through in the email that we did comment on amongst ourselves, (b) the ankle braces explicitly were not something that affected your placing, and (c) i think it was disrespectful of Kush to write what he wrote considering there's a pretty good chance that whichever judge said that would read his post. PS - Harman, did i ever send you your feedback btw? i don't think i commented on ankle braces in my feedback but i'll be honest, there were a few things about that that did come up while we were talking amongst ourselves (and no offense intended here at all!):hsdeol said:
- the fact that half of your dancers needed one or two ankle braces each also (not so subtly) says something wrong about form, technique, the way you're practicing, and method of training your dancers...definitely agree that this is an assumption! and that it could be purely by chance that your team members all independently developed ankle problems before joining the team
- you guys have beautiful vardiyaan that you probably paid a lot of money for...why not pick up a few ankle braces that match your costumes when you go up on stage to perform? it's hard for people not to notice your ankle braces when you have such nice vardiyan, and a guy in a yellow/red uni is wearing 2 blue ankle braces, a guy in a green/blue uni is wearing a white ankle brace and a black one on the other ankle. okay i might be exaggerating a bit there...but i think the only point here is that it's a bit distracting right?
okay sorry this got way longer than i originally intended!
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oh in case you wanted the turquoise one too, i looked it up for you Gurbir. http://www.fightshop.com/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&product_id=752&gl=us&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base
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Happy to chime in. Basketball is a sport judged purely on performance-- this is evaluating a dance. You guys (all teams) want open, constructive feedback and I gave you just that, I hope. What I wrote, verbatim, and sent you guys was constructive:Kush said:
You guys have great vardiyan and you got no deductions off your overall dance, appearance, or vardiyan for this. But did it DETRACT from the look because of the black, white, yellow, red, whatever ankle braces? Yes. Did I propose a better solution-- either matching or skin color? Yes. Not sure what more teams are looking for
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This was meant to be an attacking comment. It was brought up during a judging session, thus I felt like it was okay for me to mention. I appreciate the proposed solution and its def something we'll look into. As for areason why we need them...its not our technique nor our ttraining methods, its the floor we practice on.it's brick.fcb is an independent all pittsburgh team and neither universities in the area are okay with us using their studios so we use the only open space we can find.also our routine has over 80 baithkes in it, which is significantly more than a lot of other routines.so the combination of the floor and going down is pretty straining.
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Lol i figured a judge who read it might read what i wrote but i also assumed that there were points deducted for said incident (it seemed that way in the original post and in NO way should that have played a role). I retract my statement based on the fact that it did NOT factor into the scoring. Said judge is not a dumbassGovind said:LMAO...okay so I'm responding to this in a post b/c I do feel the need to defend whoever it was that wrote that in feedback to you b/c (a) there was an explanation for that statement that didn't come through in the email that we did comment on amongst ourselves, (b) the ankle braces explicitly were not something that affected your placing, and (c) i think it was disrespectful of Kush to write what he wrote considering there's a pretty good chance that whichever judge said that would read his post. PS - Harman, did i ever send you your feedback btw? i don't think i commented on ankle braces in my feedback but i'll be honest, there were a few things about that that did come up while we were talking amongst ourselves (and no offense intended here at all!):hsdeol said:
- the fact that half of your dancers needed one or two ankle braces each also (not so subtly) says something wrong about form, technique, the way you're practicing, and method of training your dancers...definitely agree that this is an assumption! and that it could be purely by chance that your team members all independently developed ankle problems before joining the team
- you guys have beautiful vardiyaan that you probably paid a lot of money for...why not pick up a few ankle braces that match your costumes when you go up on stage to perform? it's hard for people not to notice your ankle braces when you have such nice vardiyan, and a guy in a yellow/red uni is wearing 2 blue ankle braces, a guy in a green/blue uni is wearing a white ankle brace and a black one on the other ankle. okay i might be exaggerating a bit there...but i think the only point here is that it's a bit distracting right?
okay sorry this got way longer than i originally intended!
(all good i hope?) My response goes along with the fact that i've had judges say some things to me post comps that are absolutely retarded and leave me shaking my head. I won't go into details about it, but deducting points for ankle braces falls under that category. Apologies for anyone who felt "disrespected".In response to the assumptions however, we have dancers with bad knees, knees getting worse, busted ankles, etc. Some have developed them while dancing (which qualifies as a strenuous activity, the way we do it), and others are preexisting. Some people wear braces with lesser injuries than others who tough it out. My point is it should have no bearing on your performance scoring.
That being said, it wouldn't hurt to have a single color set of ankle braces to help prevent it from standing out. I agree with this suggestion. but as Harman said it, it appears as if they were told it hurt them. and that isn't fair judging.
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I must say I'm happy to read this type of conversation! I'm white and blonde, and in my dance group we only have girls from other ethnicities and a half-indian one, but we still love bhangra and other types of indian dance. But it happened a few times that we were rejected from some shows because we were not indian. I even know some girls who married punjabi guys and dyied their hair black to look more traditional while dancing. It's just sad. Bhangra is not a question of religion/ethnicity/look, it's just about what you like and how you dance.campy614 said:What team are you on, and where are you from?Mojo said:campy614 said:
As a fellow Gora, I really appreciate your encouraging words. Hearing them from someone on a team like AEG gives me a lot of hope for the future of my team. We're a young team that has recently undergone some major changes and, while we are making huge improvements, sometimes it feels like we can never hope to break into the big leagues. I adore my team and I'll put in as many hours as we need to continue improving. I don't want to be treated differently because I'm white, because I don't feel differently. I love bhangra with more intensity and more fire than many Indians I know. It is my passion and no one can challenge my devotion to it and to my team. I don't want any "passes" for not being Indian. Hold me to the same standards, because I know I am more than capable of holding my own against even the fiercest Punjaban in the same way you have proven to be more than a match for any Punjabi Jodi.
Thanks again. At least for me, it means a lot for you to take the time out to say stuff like this
Brrraahhhhhhh!
Also, everything comes with time. BELIEVE ME. We were rejected from 100 competitions before we finally received some attention. I think it wasn't until after Bhangra Fever and TBYF that people started looking in our direction, and that was a year and 8 months after the team started.
Also, the people holding you to the same standard will come with time as well. Being the white guy on a bhangra team is weird... too many emotions. Audiences will be nicer to you, but your teammates will be rough on you BECAUSE of the fact that the dance and the culture aren't native to you. They're taking a risk, and need you to be the one coming on top.
But if you have the drive, then you will succeed. If Joey, Scott, and I can do it, absolutely anyone can. Just take things in stride, be patient, and let things happen naturally. This is the time for you guys to not only build character and form, but to build your friendships. Enjoy it!
I'm here if you ever have any questions. Please don't be afraid to send me a PM, because I'd be more than willing to reply and help!