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Rangla Punjab Bhangra Competition Results!

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rthuggin

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On behalf of BAR-B we would love to say thank you to ALL OF THE TEAMS that showed such great sportsmanship, also to the judges, to a few of the volunteers and the other committee member (MANDI) who has had the most ethical way of approaching this mess.

Honestly if it wasn’t for all of the teams and the support that we all showed each other this show wouldn’t have happened. We all took the initiative to put up with the lack of organization and lack of common courtesy so we could just dance. All of the teams did a great job and are great competitors. We know what it takes to be in a competition... RESPECT for one another, the committee, and the judges.

At the end of the day we all were there for one thing, to dance our hearts out with our teams and to have been a part of a fair competition. I know a lot of the other teams will agree that the respect the teams had for each other was insane. There was no extra BS going around... it was purely for the love of Bhangra.

BAR-B just wants to thank everyone for their support here on BTF; it truly means a lot to us. We had a blast this weekend performing and meeting awesome new people. We will take this as a learning experience and use all of the detailed and much appreciated critiques as motivation to work harder and to improve as a team.

Thank you to the Judges who gave us our 3rd place placing, we appreciate your fairness and your ability to handle this situation with such a positive demeanor. Our feeling is indifferent to this post, the announcement was made and the team of controversy had enough time to persuade the judges to take back the placing’s… they didn’t, so with that said we know where we stand and where Michigan stands. Congrats to the original placing teams and thank you once again to all of the other teams. One committee member shouldn’t be allowed to cause such a ruckus.



<3 BAR-B
 

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Hi everyone,

I was a judge at the competition this weekend. In my 12 years of dancing, including years of judging, I have NEVER experienced or even witnessed the type of behaviour that I did this past weekend. Today's announcement, to top it all off, was disappointing on so many levels. I'll get into all of that...but I want to give a factual rundown of how the evening went.

1) Judges arrive at 430pm and we are all advised that there is "drama" unfolding with some of the teams as rumours are flying around that us judges were supposedly paid off by another team. Within this conversation we were also told by the organizer herself, that she broke up with her bf on NSM as a result of all these issues.(Im assuming they are back on now??)

2)Some of us judges were concerned that there could be a possible misperception of the judges, so we encouraged the organizer to call on a judges meeting with the captains. In this meeting we reiterated the following:

- judging was going to be fair and unbiased
-decisions will be based on both scores as well as deliberations amongst the judges
- all judges will be available to meet team captains after their show to provide them with feedback.
- and no organizer will be involved in the process of judging; they will hear the results of the show at the time of the announcement

3)Competition ended. Judges met for deliberation. The judges scoresheet was very vague and bc the highest and lowest scores weren’t thrown out, we felt that each section required further discussion with the 4 top scoring teams:

Through our deliberation and scoring, the results were as follows:
4 out of 5 judges - Michigan for 1st place
4 out of 5 judges - Panj for 2nd place
4 out of 5 judges - Barb e for 3rd place
4 out of 5 judges - NSM for 4th place.

Judges were all on the same page with 1st/2nd place; with it going to either Michigan or Panj. The decision with NSM/Barb e required a fair discussion and we pleaded with the organizers to allow for a tie. The organizers kept pushing us to make a decision and that it couldnt be a tie. So we made the decision to deliberate further on 3rd place and as a result, 4 of 5 judges voted for barb e. Please note that NSM never placed 1st or 2nd overall, in score or deliberation.

4) Once the teams were announced, we heard a storm of people swearing and yelling, asking where the judges were. At least 20 people came barging into the small judges room, including NSM team members, non team members as well as parents. Both the team and the parents came in, not questioning, not asking for answers but laying out all these obsurd accusations as if we were out to make sure they didnt place. Last time I checked, I was 10 years older than these individuals, haven’t ever competed against them, nor have I ever had a bad exchange with any of them. To have them lay out real nasty accusations was at the very least disrespectful and I have never I my lifetime been spoken to the way I was that night. Had I not been in the position of having to maintain professionalism I would have loved to give them an exchange on my thoughts of them individually and as a team.

NSM continue to banter on for 20 mins min while we pleaded for them to just have a couple people stay for us to talk to. Giving them feedback with 20 people (including parents)…yelling and cursing at us was impossible and they wasted everyones time. They weren’t there to get feedback they wanted to tell us how we screwed them. One individual actually told us..”we knew coming into this competition that it would be between us and panj”. Are you kidding me? Unfortunately for you, us as judges don’t look at your credentials when judging a competition, we look at the performance that day.

Its ashame that a handful individuals misrepresented an overall good team. One of their members stayed behind and was apologetic of his team’s behaviour. We appreciated that. Overall NSM was a good team; nobody ever said otherwise. In our feedback we even told them that they were the most creative and entertaining team of the evening. My advice to your team is to actually take the advice of experienced dancers and judges, attempt to lose the arrogance and be open minded enough to make some positive changes that will lead you to consecutive wins.

Honestly as much energy they drained out of all of us, it was a pleasure to meet the members of the other teams. It reinstated any sort of faith we lost that evening. There are great teams out there looking to promote our culture and to show commodry and respect to others, both older, younger and of like mind. I just hope that those pulling the competitive scene down fizzle out before they continue to negatively impact the bhangra circuit.

So with that being said, to Michigan Bhangra, Panj and Barb e: congratulations on your winnings. The fabricated results of the show, produced by organization shouldn’t deter you to think you werent the real winners of this comp.

To the Rangla Punjab organizer: I lost respect for your organization the minute NSM stormed into the room. Not one of your committee members was in sight, nor any security. When you eventually showed up, you stayed for a couple of mins and then eventually told us you had to leave to get organized for the afterparty. This was after we had a parent yelling outside the door threatening us to say wait till we come outside to see what happens to us. You did leave someone with us, but your attitude of “oh this stuff happens kind of crap is unacceptable to me” You should be personally taking care of your competitors as well as your judges. You had the potential to do so much good with your organization and instead you lost all credibility and wasted all your volunteers time and efforts, including our judge’s time. When you message me to say that you have reviewed the videos and scoresheets and have made the decision to put NSM in first place…my question to you is…why did you have judges in the first place? Clearly watching home videos is far more legitimate and having 5 judges be present.

Anyway that is my account of the evening and the aftermath that has occurred from this debacle. Going forward I really hope competitions focus on ensuring sportsmanship amongst teams and holding teams accountable to it, just as Bhangra Idols has. This somehow has been lost over time…or a few select teams have tainted the scene to appear as if it has. My hope for teams is to continue leading by example, inspire others and to have as many people fall in love with your passion as much as you have.

Respectfully,
Kiran Mander Sooch
 

Dholaholic

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So one of the NSM members is/was dating the organizer?! LMAO how convenient! I guess in order for them to get back together they had to put NSM first place lolll
 

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Much respect goes out to you Kiran for making an account and posting that clarification. Congratulations Michigan and BARB-B!
 

jasraj93

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basically im sure ranglas done now .. and nsm's gonna have a hard time getting accepted into competitions now....
 

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Hello Bhnagra enthusiasts, I was also a judge at this past weekend’s Rangla Punjab Bhangra Competition, and due to the apparent controversy that has erupted I too am inclined to post about the factual on-goings of the evening.


Judging Panel:


Allow me to say that I was honored to be a part of such a skilled and qualified judging panel, all of whom who have been involved in the art form of Bhangra for many years, performing, competing teaching and judging.


As a panel, upon hearing from the organizers that there was controversy prior to the competition regarding rumours of certain teams paying off judges ect we decided to hold a captain’s meeting to address this concern and ensure the teams that judging proceedings would be fair and unbiased.


Teams were also told that judges would deliberate and placings would be based on scoring and deliberation to ensure fairness. Deliberation was agreed upon by the judges due to the vagueness and unevenly weighted score sheet criteria and as well because highest and lowest marks were not going to be thrown out.


We as a panel made a concentrated effort to ensure we were making through remarks about each team as we were judging them, both on their positives as well as areas of improvement (these notes were referenced during our feedback to the teams)


At this meeting we also told the teams that we the judging panel would be available to provide feedback to team captains after the competition.




Scoring:


As mentioned above we as a panel along with the organizer decided that there would be a judges deliberation after the teams had been scored to ensure accuracy of the results. We had informed the team captains that our final placings would be based off score sheets and deliberation both.


As a panel we all had the same 4 teams in the top, and these same 4 teams were the highest scoring teams of the night, however due to the vagueness of the score sheet we had to thoroughly look at each section of the score sheet and take a vote, the results were that of what my fellow judge Kiran Mander Sooch stated above:




4/5 judges: Michigan 1st place
4/5 judges: Panj for 2nd place
4/5 judges: Bar-B for 3rd place
4/5 judges: NSM for 4th place


As a panel we felt that NSM should perhaps be tied with Bar-b for third place as NSM put on a great show of creativity and entertainment and score wise were close to Bar-B, however the organizer was dead-set against having a tie, thus we took a judges vote and 4/5 judges were in favour of Bar-B for third place.




What I would like to bold and highlight here is that each score sheet was scored by a judge on the panel, thus the panel has every right to deliberate and review their scores and placings, thus we as a panel proceeded with exaclty that by throughly reviweing our scores and comparing our notes and who we feel were the top placing teams of the night. The final three teams placed by the panel were of the top 4 scoring teams of the night.


I have personally judged numerous competitions and deliberation is often ensued to ensure fairness and non-bias, this was not exclusive to Rangla Punjab. My collegeus are also seasoned judges who have done the same in the past.






Aftermath:


We as a judging panel made ourselves available for feedback to all the teams, and requested that only two captains per team enter the room (very tiny small room that we were in!) Each judge had made through notes for each team during the judging process and we were more than happy to sit down and chat with each team for feedback purposes.


Every team with the exception of one, came into the judges room with positive attitudes, respect and humility. Talking to those teams and seeing the passion that lay within them and their willingness to receive feedback and share with us their journey was refreshing and as Kiran mentioned above it reinstated any faith we had lost in the spirit of bhangra that night. To these teams (Michingan, Panj, Steel City, Wash U, SFU and Bar-B) you have our utmost respect and thank you for reminding us that there are great artists like you that have the heart and passion that has allowed Bhangra to evolve to where it has today because Bhangra has certainly not evolved because of teams who lack any sense of respect, integrity, passion, or humility.


When writing this message I thought not to mention the name of the team that caused the madness that ensued just so I could save them any morsel of respect and dignity that they may have left as a team. However as I’m writing this post and recalling the outlandish, outrageous, animal- like behaviour of this team I feel inclined to name them…NSM. Never in my years of bhangra nor my years as a professional athlete have I witnessed such unsportsmanlike, disgraceful, disrespectful and self-humiliating behaviour, never.


The playback:


NSM team members, parents and supporters barged into the judges room yelling, swearing and raging. The way our panel was bombarded by this team and their child-like behaviour (although I haven’t even seen children react this way at juniors comps) shocked our entire panel. It didn’t help that none of the organizers were there to intercept or stop the harassment that ensued, nor was there any security.


As a panel we urged the team to calm down and encouraged them to keep two captains in the room so that we could offer the feedback that we had. It became apparent that NSM wasn’t there to receive our feedback but to inform us through their obsenities as to how we had wronged them, or in their words ‘screwed’ them. As Kiran, I have never competed against NSM, nor have I ever judged NSM however their personal attacks and non-factual banter continued amoungst their high-pitched, nonsensical commentary, bantering, and whining…ohhh the whining…I truly have never seen anything like it. At one point I remember feeling so embarrassed for this team and its members...I kept telling their captain to calm her team down and if they don’t that this moment will define them…and alas it has…to myself and the judging panel, and I’m sure all teams that were witness to the debaucle, NSM displayed themselves to be nothing but an unsportsmanlike, undignified, disrespectful team without an ounce of humility. Had we not had to maintain our professionalism when dealing with the rampage of NSM, I too would have loved to share my opinion of them in that moment. It’s so sad that the entire team of NSM had to be so misrepresented by those members who could not control their actions...to the member of NSM who stayed back to apologize for the actions of his team, we commend you and appreciated your apology. We are sorry your team represented you so negatively.


Regardless of the harassment of our panel, we continued to try and reason with NSM, but it was impossible. NSM came with an ego…as said by one of their members, they came into the competition knowing it would be them and Panj for 1st and 2nd….as mentioned by Kiran, we as judges don’t judge over preconceived notions of teams or their past records, we judge based on the performance put on by each team that night on that stage. NSM you are a good team, none of us said otherwise, and had you put your egos aside for one minute you would have heard all the wonderful things we had to say about your team. Your misdemeanour automatically disqualified you in our eyes. I, along with my collegues will ensure that this behaviour from your team does not ensue upon other competitions. Too many teams, individuals and organizations have worked too hard to elevate and evolve Bhangra to where it is today, and we will not let teams such as yours be the demise of this beautiful art that we are all so passionate about.


My sincerest suggestion to NSM is to approach a situation such as this with a little bit of humility and respect…it will lead you to success…and I say this to you from personal experience. That night you had a room full of judges with years of experience in the world of Bhangra, what we had to say to you in our feedback would only have helped you on your road to success. As mentioned above, no one said NSM is not a good team, I think they are a very talented team with much promise, but without humility and respect that success will be hard to achieve and that passion will remain un-tapped.


To the Placing Teams:


To Michigan Bhangra, PANJ and Bar-B, please do not be disheartened by the actions of NSM and the organization of Rangla Punjab. Regardless of what ‘new’ placings Rangla Punjab is putting forth, that holds zero credibility as the judging panel holds true and stands by it’s placings that night:


1st :Michingan
2nd :pANJ
3rd: Bar-B


You all did an amazing job and should be proud of yourselves.


The Oraganization of Rangla Punjab:


From the moment we arrived at the venue, the organizer of Rangla Punjab informed us that there was controversy amoung some teams that judges had been paid off, and that teams also had a problem with the organizer having a boyfriend on NSM ect. The organizer proceeded to tell us that as a result of this controversy she had broken up with her boyfriend.


Anyhow, I have lost all respect for this organization and its organizers. First and foremost, the results were changed two days after the competition without consultation of the judging panel-I was texted by the organizer after she changed the results that the organization had reviewed the videos and score sheets and thus making the formal decision to change the placings. I question then why did the organization call upon a judging panel to judge if the final decision was to be made by them? Unbelieveable.


I further lost respect for this organization when none of their members were in the judging room when the panel was being harrased. Instead the organizer was in a rush to get to the afterparty...the fact that we had parents threatening us wasn’t a concern in the least…but I mean the afterparty must go….ridiculous!


Even if scoresheets are looked at solely, NSM was not the top scoring team and all the judges can attest to that. However, I fear given the lack of credibility of this organization those marks may as well be skewed by now…it’s an assumption but could likely be a fair one at this point.


Rangla Punjab is a not for profit organization that really could have elevated itself and achieved great success, but the misdemeanour of its organization could very well be it’s demise. I urge the organizer of Rangla Punjab to act in good faith and retract her statement of the new placings just so to regain any credibility that she can for her organization.


Further to that, even if NSM is being placed ‘first’ by the organizer this falsified placing cannot be so not just for the obvious reasons but also due to the clause on the registration package, eluding that if a team interferes or debates with the judging panel they will be immediately disqualified…debating aside, the judges were harassed and verbally abused, disqualification shouldn’t even be a question …however the organizer chooses to place NSM first…this just shows you the intent of the organization.


Going forward:


Bhangra has evolved and grown so much in the past decades…we are lucky to have such a great art in our lives, and to have the capacity, resources and platform to perform. Through this art we have been able build friendships and experiences. Thru this art we have been able to immerse and connect with our culture, language and roots and introduce who we are what we are to the mainstream community, to a point where they too want to revel in the beauty of bhangra with us. Let’s please all work even harder now to ensure that we keep working to build this bhangra community and to elevate this art form, and lets all hope that these types of organizations and teams who are a misrepresentation and lending to the demise of Bhangra and the worlds we have built around it get sifted out before it’s too late.


I apologize for the many spelling errors and run-ons this post may have…it’s 3am and I’m tired…however I was fed up with this drama and had to post to clarify the on-goings of the weekend and to mostly ensure that the placing teams do not feel dis-heartened or think they have been removed from their standings.


Rab Rakha,


Mandeep Patrola-Rai
 

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Much love to Kiran and Mandeep for having the poise to post so openly. You guys were great to work with on Saturday and I personally hope to see you guys around more often--don't let Saturday deter you from judging future comps...
 

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Thank you to the two judges who have already come here to clarify the situation. It's regrettable that there isn't even a reasonable explanation to this placings change: the organizer just decided to change the placings to what they favored. FWIW, I e-mailed the organizer yesterday encouraging them to come back on BTF and clarify the situation, but it's all too clear now.

Congrats again to the original and rightful winners: Michigan, PANJ, and Bar-B. Thanks again to the judges who have come onto the site and voiced their perspective.
 

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Honestly, what good did "redoing" the places have? 9/10 people who attend a bhangra competition do not read BTF... meaning 9/10 people still think that Michigan placed first... which means that this placing "redo" did absolutely nothing.

RP Committee (or committee head),you organized an event. You hired judges. Your role, after hiring them, is to respect their opinion. And when the night is over, you are to clean up any competition financial issues that might exist (if any), donate whatever money is to be donated to the charity (if any), and maintain the respect for the judges' opinion. That's it. As an organizer, THIS IS WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR!

I don't think that Rangla Punjab is dead. If RP takes place-teams will likely forget all of the issues of this competition (I'm lucky I remember what I had for breakfast this morning) and will apply for the mere sake of dancing.

Sometimes you need to fail before you can succeed. I guess another way to say it is sometimes you have to learn the hard way, and nothing worth having ever comes easy. I sincerely hope that the committee (if they exist in a year) gets their act together and revamps themselves next year, because-frankly-the more competitions, the better. More competitions mean that more teams have an opportunity to compete.

That and nothing's better than a hot turnaround story.
 

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campy614 said:
Honestly, what good did "redoing" the places have? 9/10 people who attend a bhangra competition do not read BTF... meaning 9/10 people still think that Michigan placed first... which means that this placing "redo" did absolutely nothing.
It means that RP will give NSM^2 $3000 instead of Michigan.
 

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Firstly, once again I would like to start off by apologizing to all the teams that these new placings have hurt and to all the Bhangra community out there that no longer trusts this organization.

We had no intention of doing anything like this and this event was put up to spread our diverse culture and Bhangra in our area, which personally as the organizer I believe we successfully did.

Next, I thank everyone who took the time out to follow this post and make their comments because every comment is meaningful and will help us in the future. I do want to inform you all that Rangla Punjab never intended on happening this year but last minute this event took place since one of our committee members had a dire desire to pull off such a big event with no prior knowledge or experience in the Bhangra field or with the Bhangra community. I appreciate everyones comments about how you all realize that we are a non-profit organization and this was all for a good cause, so since it was for a good cause then it's wrong to be unfair in the end with placings.

The judging panel at Rangla Punjab was a very experienced and well known committee and I had full trust in them, despite hearing many negative remarks after the Judging panel was released to the team. As an organizer I took the time out to explain all the problems and dilemmas that were going on to the judges, just so that their were no problems later.

Whether it was about my past personal relationship or about the judges being bribed...The judges themselves didn't go off the scoresheet marks and unfortunately this is my mistake because later I was confronted by teams since it is clearly stated in our registration packet that we must go by the scoresheet and after looking at this, I had to go back and recalculate everything and look at the videos with a few other members and we made this new decision of placings.

The placings according to the scoresheets were never announced and if this was released during the competition that the judges would also be discredited after everyone found out that instead of using points they simply chose who they wanted to put where in the "deliberation". You're asking me why I keep judges? I am asking you why we have score sheets and why we cant just follow what's the basic rule, no matter how bad the score sheet may have been.

Also, if the score sheet was that bad, why didn't any team complain about it earlier, we would have gladly altered it. I personally trusted the judges because I do look up to some of them, and at that time I didn't know what the consequences of letting them making their own decisions would be. I take all responsibility for not being able to take a stand and being able to clarify these things at that moment, because now it has led to more problems and dilemmas.

Mandeep, you ask me why I wasn't in the room when NSM was asking you these questions? I wasn't allowed in the room before when "deliberations" were going on, so why would I be allowed in the room now? I have experience with this as well, and I've seen that teams get upset, but they only get upset when something drastically wrong has been done and this was such a case. We may not have realized it at that moment, but now it has been realized and we must fix it.

Also, I only recalculated score because many people besides NSM also felt that placings were off and we took the decison to change the results because NSM is the team that been thrown out of their calculated placings the past year as well, which some of you are regerring to as having been wrong. At that time, I just apologized and asked them to accept the decision but honestly, I cannot watch a team go through the same, especially when that team's plea has credibility.

As for my personal relationship that is being brought up repeatedly, since you all just assume that I am in a relationship with NSM...YES, I AM..and that relationship we have is the same with any other team that has competed at Rangla Punjab, a relationship between a team and the organizer, period.

I am appalled by the conduct of the judges themselves, making false accusations and assumptions right now is also unprofessional I must say. I was also appalled on the weekend when some of the judges were drinking with the teams, and also I noticed judged cheering for teams while they were performing, which is totally unacceptable. Do we not sense some biased opinions here?

After all this I am rather ashamed of the panel and I apologize to all the teams for all this has happened. I didn't know in which way I could make it up to the team who lost their moment and this seemed like the best way, I know this has hurt the teams that placed and this is very wrong to happen in the community of Bhangra competitions and organizations but this had to be done.

I am a very fair and ethical persona and I will not stand any wrong being done to any team. Hence these are the new placings and they will be the new and final placings for Rangla Punjab '12. I have said what I needed to say, so I will not be responding to any more posts because 99.9% of the people have already assumed what the must without having any facts. All I did was speak the truth and a number of people for their own personal benefits or to save face have said what they needed to and in every situation we all have seen, a lie is always more believable over the truth..until one day you find out the real truth.

Also to everyone who tried to contact me yesterday I'm sorry it took me a while to get back to you all, and for me to get on here and reply. I have a busy schedule and don't have time to check back every hour and reply back on these posts.

Once again, I do apologize for all the inconvenience this has caused to all the Bhangra community and all the teams that participated at Rangla Punjab.

We are very sorry but these new placings were needed to be released and hence they are. I know this is very unprofessional but sometimes at certain moments and certain situations you just aren't able to make the correct decision, but I know that god's watching and I have taken the right decision. God's watching over all of us, so there is no need for anyone to be lying about anything here because karma will come back.

Rabb Rakha
 

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Saleem said:
campy614 said:
Honestly, what good did "redoing" the places have? 9/10 people who attend a bhangra competition do not read BTF... meaning 9/10 people still think that Michigan placed first... which means that this placing "redo" did absolutely nothing.
It means that RP will give NSM^2 $3000 instead of Michigan.
Touche. Well, that sucks.

On another note, I think-in general-teams and team captains need to be more aware of their surroundings when going to away competitions. Be aware of the distance between hotel/venue/afterparty/nearest Duane Reade/etc. Save up $$. Have a local car service's phone number stored on your phone (or do the cab hunt-depending on the area).

In an ideal world, comp organizers would have plenty of staff and there would be shuttles galore to each part of the weekend. This was how it was done in the good ol' days and at plenty of well organized competitions, and THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

But lately, this appears to be nothing more than a myth. So captains, start being smarter when going away. We're now put in the position where we need to rely on no one else but ourselves for everything, and have to take things into our own hands.

The show's over and you need a ride to the hotel, but the shuttle isn't coming for another who-the-hell-knows? Call up that cab service you stored in your phone, and pay with the money you should have saved up.

Tech time running two hours late? Start prepping dancers. In that two hours, every dancer can at least be in vardi with a few pagghs tied and a few chunnis done.

This isn't to say that comp organizers/liaisons aren't to be held accountable for their negligence-because I think it's complete and utter bullshit. But as a captain-if I see my liaison and the committee slacking, I'm not going to let that ruin my time from a weekend that my team and I should be enjoying.
 

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everything on this thread sounds pretty messed up, and to be honest, most of us don't know what actually happened. One thing everyone seems to agree about is the manner in which NSM protested the results. Like multiple people have said, there is a proper way to go about dealing with such issues. Clearly these guys did not learn it, but I encourage all captains, all future captains, and especially teams that run academies and train younger kids, please stress how important sportsmanship and respect is in bhangra. A big take away I have from bhangra while learning about the dance is how much respect everyone must have for the dance form, the vardiyan, the props, etc. Why would this not apply for people at a competition. Some people will probably never learn, but if the leaders of each team/academy shows how important this is, hopefully in 5-10 years, we won't have issues like this.


Also, congrats to all the original placing teams. MBT, great job repping college teams in the midwest. Congrats to Sanjay, and the rest of the team.
 

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Much respect to Kiran & Mandeep for posting factual accounts from the judges perspective. Wish you guys could stay more active with the circuit to keep an eye out for these flawed competitions and provide your feedback BEFORE teams apply.

Competitions to avoid: Rangla Punjab (Reason: 2 years of flawed judging & lack of proper organization)

Teams that competitions need to avoid adding to their lineup: NSM (Nachde Sher Mustane) and NSM^2 (Nachde Shaukeen Munde te Muttiaran)

Saleem/Swi, can we get some type of thread stickied to prevent this lack of accountability that some of these competitions/teams get away with? Just a place to document the factual events. That would help future competition organizers/teams when applying or before accepting teams.

To all BTF members, when competitions create their threads on BTF or get themselves out on Facebook to promote themselves, it would be a EXCELLENT if past teams could post their experiences with the competition.

~ Basim :)
 

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RanglaPunjab12 said:
Firstly, once again I would like to start off by apologizing to all the teams that these new placings have hurt and to all the Bhangra community out there that no longer trusts this organization.

We had no intention of doing anything like this and this event was put up to spread our diverse culture and Bhangra in our area, which personally as the organizer I believe we successfully did.

Next, I thank everyone who took the time out to follow this post and make their comments because every comment is meaningful and will help us in the future. I do want to inform you all that Rangla Punjab never intended on happening this year but last minute this event took place since one of our committee members had a dire desire to pull off such a big event with no prior knowledge or experience in the Bhangra field or with the Bhangra community. I appreciate everyones comments about how you all realize that we are a non-profit organization and this was all for a good cause, so since it was for a good cause then it's wrong to be unfair in the end with placings.

The judging panel at Rangla Punjab was a very experienced and well known committee and I had full trust in them, despite hearing many negative remarks after the Judging panel was released to the team. As an organizer I took the time out to explain all the problems and dilemmas that were going on to the judges, just so that their were no problems later.

Whether it was about my past personal relationship or about the judges being bribed...The judges themselves didn't go off the scoresheet marks and unfortunately this is my mistake because later I was confronted by teams since it is clearly stated in our registration packet that we must go by the scoresheet and after looking at this, I had to go back and recalculate everything and look at the videos with a few other members and we made this new decision of placings.

The placings according to the scoresheets were never announced and if this was released during the competition that the judges would also be discredited after everyone found out that instead of using points they simply chose who they wanted to put where in the "deliberation". You're asking me why I keep judges? I am asking you why we have score sheets and why we cant just follow what's the basic rule, no matter how bad the score sheet may have been.

Also, if the score sheet was that bad, why didn't any team complain about it earlier, we would have gladly altered it. I personally trusted the judges because I do look up to some of them, and at that time I didn't know what the consequences of letting them making their own decisions would be. I take all responsibility for not being able to take a stand and being able to clarify these things at that moment, because now it has led to more problems and dilemmas.

Mandeep, you ask me why I wasn't in the room when NSM was asking you these questions? I wasn't allowed in the room before when "deliberations" were going on, so why would I be allowed in the room now? I have experience with this as well, and I've seen that teams get upset, but they only get upset when something drastically wrong has been done and this was such a case. We may not have realized it at that moment, but now it has been realized and we must fix it.

Also, I only recalculated score because many people besides NSM also felt that placings were off and we took the decison to change the results because NSM is the team that been thrown out of their calculated placings the past year as well, which some of you are regerring to as having been wrong. At that time, I just apologized and asked them to accept the decision but honestly, I cannot watch a team go through the same, especially when that team's plea has credibility.

As for my personal relationship that is being brought up repeatedly, since you all just assume that I am in a relationship with NSM...YES, I AM..and that relationship we have is the same with any other team that has competed at Rangla Punjab, a relationship between a team and the organizer, period.

I am appalled by the conduct of the judges themselves, making false accusations and assumptions right now is also unprofessional I must say. I was also appalled on the weekend when some of the judges were drinking with the teams, and also I noticed judged cheering for teams while they were performing, which is totally unacceptable. Do we not sense some biased opinions here?

After all this I am rather ashamed of the panel and I apologize to all the teams for all this has happened. I didn't know in which way I could make it up to the team who lost their moment and this seemed like the best way, I know this has hurt the teams that placed and this is very wrong to happen in the community of Bhangra competitions and organizations but this had to be done.

I am a very fair and ethical persona and I will not stand any wrong being done to any team. Hence these are the new placings and they will be the new and final placings for Rangla Punjab '12. I have said what I needed to say, so I will not be responding to any more posts because 99.9% of the people have already assumed what the must without having any facts. All I did was speak the truth and a number of people for their own personal benefits or to save face have said what they needed to and in every situation we all have seen, a lie is always more believable over the truth..until one day you find out the real truth.

Also to everyone who tried to contact me yesterday I'm sorry it took me a while to get back to you all, and for me to get on here and reply. I have a busy schedule and don't have time to check back every hour and reply back on these posts.

Once again, I do apologize for all the inconvenience this has caused to all the Bhangra community and all the teams that participated at Rangla Punjab.

We are very sorry but these new placings were needed to be released and hence they are. I know this is very unprofessional but sometimes at certain moments and certain situations you just aren't able to make the correct decision, but I know that god's watching and I have taken the right decision. God's watching over all of us, so there is no need for anyone to be lying about anything here because karma will come back.

Rabb Rakha
What everyone is thinking right now:

BITCH SHUT THE FUCK UP
 
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