Regarding the term 'folk'

[Karan P Singh]

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This is ideally how bhangra Should be though
Not this new modern b.s. that a lot of teams are doing (co ed teams)
Has alot to do with ppl not affiliated with the roots of bhangra though trying almost to change it
Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

 

[Gabbah Shareef Bhalwan]

This is ideally how bhangra Should be though

Why?

Not this new modern b.s. that a lot of teams are doing (co ed teams)

How is this not "modern"? Show me any evidence of people dancing like this before 2000s.

Has alot to do with ppl not affiliated with the roots of bhangra though trying almost to change it

Who around is affiliated with the roots of bhangra?

Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

There is nothing remotely folk about it. BTW, speaking of things Punjabi and the way things should be done, the word is "jhummar."

 

[hardeep_singh]

Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

you are completely clueless. there is nothing folk about the song, since you don't seem to have any sort of understanding of what the song is about maybe you should ask your bapu to explain the lyrics if he's has any clue. the reason it's hypocritical and stupid to use the song is because of the context, oh hey we're doing bhangra to "naina to neenda udd gayia", now let's do bhangra to a song about persecution and suffering of sikhs, then we'll dance to a soni pabla love song. there is no respectful way to perform bhangra to a song about that topic and on top of that you have clueless people who associate those sort of songs with promoting extremism and sikh militancy.

 

[Karan P Singh]

Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

you are completely clueless. there is nothing folk about the song, since you don't seem to have any sort of understanding of what the song is about maybe you should ask your bapu to explain the lyrics if he's has any clue. the reason it's hypocritical and stupid to use the song is because of the context, oh hey we're doing bhangra to "naina to neenda udd gayia", now let's do bhangra to a song about persecution and suffering of sikhs, then we'll dance to a soni pabla love song. there is no respectful way to perform bhangra to a song about that topic and on top of that you have clueless people who associate those sort of songs with promoting extremism and sikh militancy.

Haha I dont give a shit what you have to say son teams use songs like those even now Pul na jayo laina badla ekh ekh fansi da Maybe not to the extent of the one this team uses But I still think its sick and nothing wrong with it I mean I agree it probably isn't the best song choice to add in in a competition performance but I probably would've done the same thing. Teams do that even now Lets dance to a song about Sava lakh warriors, Killing etc etc and then lets do a jhummar Tarre binaa muha reh chain na avveh..Lets b real so many teams do that shit And all I mean by folk is old school and sick

 

[Karan P Singh]

 

[hardeep_singh]

Haha I dont give a shit what you have to say son teams use songs like those even now Pul na jayo laina badla ekh ekh fansi da Maybe not to the extent of the one this team uses But I still think its sick and nothing wrong with it I mean I agree it probably isn't the best song choice to add in in a competition performance but I probably would've done the same thing. Teams do that even now Lets dance to a song about Sava lakh warriors, Killing etc etc and then lets do a jhummar Tarre binaa muha reh chain na avveh..Lets b real so many teams do that shit And all I mean by folk is old school and sick

Everyone misunderstands my meaning of folk and I should just stop saying it. When I said folk I'm talking about Similar to it modernized but not completely modernized like other teams now adays. A lot of people are, Bhangra obviously gets passed down generation from generation and all I ment by that is a lot of people doing bhangra now adays doesn't now the original roots of it hence alot of bhangra is the way it is now

hey everyone look at this badass jatt, he so smart and knowledgeable ;D

 

[Karan P Singh]

Haha I dont give a shit what you have to say son teams use songs like those even now Pul na jayo laina badla ekh ekh fansi da Maybe not to the extent of the one this team uses But I still think its sick and nothing wrong with it I mean I agree it probably isn't the best song choice to add in in a competition performance but I probably would've done the same thing. Teams do that even now Lets dance to a song about Sava lakh warriors, Killing etc etc and then lets do a jhummar Tarre binaa muha reh chain na avveh..Lets b real so many teams do that shit And all I mean by folk is old school and sick

Everyone misunderstands my meaning of folk and I should just stop saying it. When I said folk I'm talking about Similar to it modernized but not completely modernized like other teams now adays. A lot of people are, Bhangra obviously gets passed down generation from generation and all I ment by that is a lot of people doing bhangra now adays doesn't now the original roots of it hence alot of bhangra is the way it is now

hey everyone look at this badass jatt, he so smart and knowledgeable ;D

Goood one.. cool kid over here

 

[Gabbah Shareef Bhalwan]

This is ideally how bhangra Should be though

Why?

Not this new modern b.s. that a lot of teams are doing (co ed teams)

How is this not "modern"? Show me any evidence of people dancing like this before 2000s.

Has alot to do with ppl not affiliated with the roots of bhangra though trying almost to change it

Who around is affiliated with the roots of bhangra?

Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

There is nothing remotely folk about it. BTW, speaking of things Punjabi and the way things should be done, the word is "jhummar."

Everyone misunderstands my meaning of folk and I should just stop saying it. When I said folk I'm talking about Similar to it modernized but not completely modernized like other teams now adays. A lot of people are, Bhangra obviously gets passed down generation from generation and all I ment by that is a lot of people doing bhangra now adays doesn't now the original roots of it hence alot of bhangra is the way it is now

I am happy to try to understand what you mean. However, I think you're speaking without the facts.
So you're saying that when you say "folk" you mean "similar to folk"? That's what I read in what you just said.
This is a jhummar style not developed until after around 2004 and, in my opinion, not appreciably similar to any "folk" jhummar that came before it. I am not sure exactly when you'd say that the jhummar you call "modernized" came about (2009? 2010? 11?).


With these facts in mind, it is confusing to hear you assert that 2008 jhummar is more proper or more "folk" than 2012 jhummar.


I'd actually find it interesting to see you do a side by side comparison of this 2008 jhummar and a 2012 one, and point out the differences. I think it's totally valid to personal prefer one over the other. However, let's be straight on what is "folk" and "modern," and let's be clear that our judgements are based in personal preferences, and might not be supported by propriety or tradition or history.

 

[Karan P Singh]

This is ideally how bhangra Should be though

Why?

Not this new modern b.s. that a lot of teams are doing (co ed teams)

How is this not "modern"? Show me any evidence of people dancing like this before 2000s.

Has alot to do with ppl not affiliated with the roots of bhangra though trying almost to change it

Who around is affiliated with the roots of bhangra?

Why is it wrong for these boys to do jhoomer to that song Its Folk Its Punjabi its the way it should be done

There is nothing remotely folk about it. BTW, speaking of things Punjabi and the way things should be done, the word is "jhummar."

Everyone misunderstands my meaning of folk and I should just stop saying it. When I said folk I'm talking about Similar to it modernized but not completely modernized like other teams now adays. A lot of people are, Bhangra obviously gets passed down generation from generation and all I ment by that is a lot of people doing bhangra now adays doesn't now the original roots of it hence alot of bhangra is the way it is now

I am happy to try to understand what you mean. However, I think you're speaking without the facts.
So you're saying that when you say "folk" you mean "similar to folk"? That's what I read in what you just said.
This is a jhummar style not developed until after around 2004 and, in my opinion, not appreciably similar to any "folk" jhummar that came before it. I am not sure exactly when you'd say that the jhummar you call "modernized" came about (2009? 2010? 11?).


With these facts in mind, it is confusing to hear you assert that 2008 jhummar is more proper or more "folk" than 2012 jhummar.


I'd actually find it interesting to see you do a side by side comparison of this 2008 jhummar and a 2012 one, and point out the differences. I think it's totally valid to personal prefer one over the other. However, let's be straight on what is "folk" and "modern," and let's be clear that our judgements are based in personal preferences, and might not be supported by propriety or tradition or history.

Folk to me can range from Real live bhangra that happens still do this day to even somehwat folk because I've learned to realize that all teams aren't going to be that Old school folk like it used too. Using a basic Mirza sahiba song in the performance to me can be considered folk.


Yea this is quite the misunderstanding because I'm not really explaining myself thoroughly but yea my judgements are based on my personal preferences and yours are based on yours so I can respec that

 

[G Bajwa]

thread hijacking at its finest.. for the love of god please don't continue this exchange of opinions on this thread. or any thread for that matter. and dont try to counter by saying this is an open forum for discussion. this topic is way past the point of discussion and everyone knows it. karan, you seem to have a counter-argument for everything anyone is saying so please just discuss it privately if you still really feel the need to. your co-operation would be very much appreciated im sure.

 

[Karan P Singh]

I'm just saying how I feel bro Just speaking my mind, and obviously I'm not the only one doing that here clearly

 

[smish18]

I was actually interested what people were gonna contribute to this thread but then you inserted the same shit from the thread you started into this. c'mon man keep speaking your mind in that one, leave this one alone bro.

 

[sargam627]

Keyboard warriors.. UNITE!

 

[voxanimus]

I was actually interested what people were gonna contribute to this thread but then you inserted the same shit from the thread you started into this. c'mon man keep speaking your mind in that one, leave this one alone bro.

the other thread got locked down hahahahah

 

[yraparla]

Moderator's Note: We really don't want to keep having to deal with this topic. It was discussed, it's over, please move on unless there's something new to contribute. and please please don't thread hijack. People have different personal aesthetic preferences, debating the semantics isn't worth it if people are clearly not interested in changing their vernacular