REIGN OF BHANGRA 2017 JUDGING REVIEW

[Lally]

You want BTF members and the audience to judge a competition. But the audience wouldn't know anything about Bhangra or judging, BTF members wouldn't be able to judge properly because a video or live stream does not do justice compared to watching a performance live in person. The judging would be even more inaccurate than picking qualified judges as the circuit does now. So your idea would be a major fail in my opinion.

Like I said earlier, we just need to tweak our current ways and we can make this work. No need to re-invent the wheel here.

 

[BhangraSUCKS]

Ok fine, dont do my ideas. At least im thinking.

And being "qualified" is very subjective. You will just have same bias and bullshit.

 

[Lally]

Ok fine, dont do my ideas. At least im thinking.

You're right, you are thinking and I'm not trying to discourage anyone form coming up with possible solutions. I'm just sharing my honest views here.

 

[hsdeol]

there may have been more comps in Seattle (area) than i kno, but last one i remember was Rangla Punjab (2012)--- What yall doing up there?!?!

UBJ stuff and ideas floating around on BTF- all good starts. I encourage all comps to post there judging panel before or at the same time they release their lineup. I also encourage vets to chime in when panels are posted to give feedback.

Also- post vids. they will speak for themselves. im sure all of you that feel you should have won have already seen your vid so post it (and post the 1st place team for reference)

 

[aheer_sunny]

Honestly Competitions should learn from "Bhangra in the 6ix" & the way that Prabh Saini went about holding his judges accountable for their opinion on the performances and choices for placings. I judged there this past October and was told that every team had as much time as they wanted after the show to question and get valuable CONSTRUCTIVE feedback from judges. I emphasize constructive because at the end of the day a team that placed or didn't place always has room to improve and get better for the future. At BIT6, if a team left the meeting unsatisfied they were told to sit back down in the judges room and ask the judges whatever else they wanted until they felt "SATISFIED" with judges. I feel that a team being satisfied with judges feedback is something we are lacking in the circuit, I've heard numerous remarks about judges not giving valuable feedback and that to me as a judge and a coach is something that I would like to see change moving forward.

BIT 6ix is a competition that every committee should model themselves after. Having a time limit on a judges meeting does no good for both the teams and the judges themselves. In the case of Reign though it's clear that time limits weren't the issue. If 7/8 of the teams disagreed with the placings than the selection for judges should have definitely been more thought out. Committee's should start reaching out to competitions that are consistently successful for advice on judging instead of coming to BTF. If they do however come to BTF to look for judges, do your research, you'll find that certain names and bad reviews pop up a few times...

 

[KushK]

If they do however come to BTF to look for judges, do your research, you'll find that certain names and bad reviews pop up a few times...

THIS right here.

Comps need to do their research when picking judges. Sometimes I almost recommend going to the 8-10 competing teams and getting 2-3 names from them. See if any of the names are a regular name provided to you by all the teams, maybe that is a judge you want to look at.

Competitions also need to stop having 3 judges. Most of the times I have judged, there have been at least 4-6 judges and sometimes you need that 1 person to be able to step up and just speak their mind. If you have 1 judge with a lot of experience and 2 with less, sometimes it seems like that 1 "experienced" judge tends to outweigh the other people. DO RESEARCH

 

[JackPaaji]

Jack Paaji say everyone is too much garm. My suggestion we pah the tamasha. Go on strike until every bhangra competition ever hosted is reviewed by Donald Trump himself! Obama nu vi sadlo!

 

[Jennifer Bhabi]

Waheguru. 20re, eating cow is against sikhism so why you starting the beef? You people acting jiddan it was "I quit" match at WrestleMania. I thought placings were fair. AJ kaal de youth don't need participation trophy everytime. This is life. You lose. There is corruption jiddan Badal organized the competition but it's OK 20re. Drink some tanda paani and continue on with life.

I agree Jack yaar, these ppls making mountain out of this, what's need? The youth that should have been speaking up before, all want to speak up now at same time, tanda paani only solution to this

 

[The TRUTH 123]

Attention all BUTTHURT individuals:

To begin, here are my placings from what I saw in person Saturday night:

1st: Shane Punjab

2nd: SFBC

3rd: Royal Queenz / ABC / Norcal Naujawan (toss-up between the 3)

First of all, people need to relax and take all the khundey outta their asses and just breath. Shane Punjab well done, this team was flawless. You guys got youngins that got energy for days and are CLEAN. SFBC prides itself on FOLK bhangra and that's exactly what you get outta their sets, no gimmicks just BHANGRA, minor mess-ups which can be improved but continue staying folk. Norcal Naujawan absolutely entertainment. Norcal’s a team that brought IT, they were creative with high energy and if anything they were robbed of a placing. ABC and Royal Queens, great energy and nice sets, but nothing that stood out for me.

TRUTH:

ABC was too modern for this comp, shaking your hips ain’t gunna get you a W at a folk comp. On top of that, the amount of breaks you guys took during the performance couldn’t have been more obvious that you needed a break. ABC y'all are too upset boys, your acting as if you HAD to win just because y'all won the Our Virsa competition in December. You guys were NOT the best team of the night. Anddddd get outta here with that "what type of example are we setting for our youth" crap. Crying after a competition and complaining about placings is a great example for the youth right?

People are acting like that this has ALWAYS happened to them, that they're ALWAYS being constantly screwed by the judges. Majority of these teams complaining are ones that have placed and WON many comps, they haven't tasted what a loss feels like and now that this happened they salty af. Go see ACTUAL teams that have been robbed of out of placings (#robbed201_)

Vancity just salty because they never NOT placed at a competition before, they can't handle the fact that the placing teams were in fact better, plain and simple.

ABC's over salty because this was their last comp and on top of that it was in front of their home crowd, so what better way to leave the circuit then to go out on top at home, right?

People commenting on Facebook/Instagram that didn't watch any of the teams live that are complaining about placings are stupid and their arguments are completely baseless.

And where are you coming up with the whole 7/8 teams this.. 7/8 teams that... Did those 7 teams give you in writing that they believe that ABC should have won first? Obviously all teams but Royal Queens are going to say that they should've won. For everyone's information, the 7 teams are PROBABLY complaining of their OWN placings and not conforming together with ABC and all saying that ABC should've have won. That should be made clear, don't get it twisted.

Harjot get on those videos ASAP and don’t make people wait on them for 6 months. Let people decide on their own.

 

[JackPaaji]

Attention all BUTTHURT individuals:

To begin, here are my placings from what I saw in person Saturday night:

1st: Shane Punjab

2nd: SFBC

3rd: Royal Queenz / ABC / Norcal Naujawan (toss-up between the 3)

First of all, people need to relax and take all the khundey outta their asses and just breath. Shane Punjab well done, this team was flawless. You guys got youngins that got energy for days and are CLEAN. SFBC prides itself on FOLK bhangra and that's exactly what you get outta their sets, no gimmicks just BHANGRA, minor mess-ups which can be improved but continue staying folk. Norcal Naujawan absolutely entertainment. Norcal’s a team that brought IT, they were creative with high energy and if anything they were robbed of a placing. ABC and Royal Queens, great energy and nice sets, but nothing that stood out for me.

TRUTH:

ABC was too modern for this comp, shaking your hips ain’t gunna get you a W at a folk comp. On top of that, the amount of breaks you guys took during the performance couldn’t have been more obvious that you needed a break. ABC y'all are too upset boys, your acting as if you HAD to win just because y'all won the Our Virsa competition in December. You guys were NOT the best team of the night. Anddddd get outta here with that "what type of example are we setting for our youth" crap. Crying after a competition and complaining about placings is a great example for the youth right?

People are acting like that this has ALWAYS happened to them, that they're ALWAYS being constantly screwed by the judges. Majority of these teams complaining are ones that have placed and WON many comps, they haven't tasted what a loss feels like and now that this happened they salty af. Go see ACTUAL teams that have been robbed of out of placings (#robbed201_)

Vancity just salty because they never NOT placed at a competition before, they can't handle the fact that the placing teams were in fact better, plain and simple.

ABC's over salty because this was their last comp and on top of that it was in front of their home crowd, so what better way to leave the circuit then to go out on top at home, right?

People commenting on Facebook/Instagram that didn't watch any of the teams live that are complaining about placings are stupid and their arguments are completely baseless.

And where are you coming up with the whole 7/8 teams this.. 7/8 teams that... Did those 7 teams give you in writing that they believe that ABC should have won first? Obviously all teams but Royal Queens are going to say that they should've won. For everyone's information, the 7 teams are PROBABLY complaining of their OWN placings and not conforming together with ABC and all saying that ABC should've have won. That should be made clear, don't get it twisted.

Harjot get on those videos ASAP and don’t make people wait on them for 6 months. Let people decide on their own.

I love you. Will you marry me?

 

[Jennifer Bhabi]

Attention all BUTTHURT individuals:

To begin, here are my placings from what I saw in person Saturday night:

1st: Shane Punjab

2nd: SFBC

3rd: Royal Queenz / ABC / Norcal Naujawan (toss-up between the 3)

First of all, people need to relax and take all the khundey outta their asses and just breath. Shane Punjab well done, this team was flawless. You guys got youngins that got energy for days and are CLEAN. SFBC prides itself on FOLK bhangra and that's exactly what you get outta their sets, no gimmicks just BHANGRA, minor mess-ups which can be improved but continue staying folk. Norcal Naujawan absolutely entertainment. Norcal’s a team that brought IT, they were creative with high energy and if anything they were robbed of a placing. ABC and Royal Queens, great energy and nice sets, but nothing that stood out for me.

TRUTH:

ABC was too modern for this comp, shaking your hips ain’t gunna get you a W at a folk comp. On top of that, the amount of breaks you guys took during the performance couldn’t have been more obvious that you needed a break. ABC y'all are too upset boys, your acting as if you HAD to win just because y'all won the Our Virsa competition in December. You guys were NOT the best team of the night. Anddddd get outta here with that "what type of example are we setting for our youth" crap. Crying after a competition and complaining about placings is a great example for the youth right?

People are acting like that this has ALWAYS happened to them, that they're ALWAYS being constantly screwed by the judges. Majority of these teams complaining are ones that have placed and WON many comps, they haven't tasted what a loss feels like and now that this happened they salty af. Go see ACTUAL teams that have been robbed of out of placings (#robbed201_)

Vancity just salty because they never NOT placed at a competition before, they can't handle the fact that the placing teams were in fact better, plain and simple.

ABC's over salty because this was their last comp and on top of that it was in front of their home crowd, so what better way to leave the circuit then to go out on top at home, right?

People commenting on Facebook/Instagram that didn't watch any of the teams live that are complaining about placings are stupid and their arguments are completely baseless.

And where are you coming up with the whole 7/8 teams this.. 7/8 teams that... Did those 7 teams give you in writing that they believe that ABC should have won first? Obviously all teams but Royal Queens are going to say that they should've won. For everyone's information, the 7 teams are PROBABLY complaining of their OWN placings and not conforming together with ABC and all saying that ABC should've have won. That should be made clear, don't get it twisted.

Harjot get on those videos ASAP and don’t make people wait on them for 6 months. Let people decide on their own.

The truth hurts, and ain't no set out there that deserved a placing and looked better on video than it did live, watching it live is a whole different ball game. If everyone really wants to set an example for the youth, what they're doing right now is just making matters worse. If everyone was this bothered, everyone should have spoke up on stage right after placings and something should/could have been done then.

 

[gdholi7]

On Behalf of the Reign of Bhangra committee, I would like to sincerely apologize about the concerns and issues that are arising from the placings and the judges panel. As mentioned by Harmeet, 7 of the 8 teams as well as audience have raised great concern about the outcome of the competition. As a committee, we will definitely look into the judges score sheets, comments, and put together a review panel to go over the documents and videos.

We want to make sure the competing teams are provided with appropriate feedback and justification to backup the placing and if the placings are incorrect, for the correct placing teams to be honored and given the respect they deserve and placings to be redone.

BHANGRA STATE OF MIND, YOU SHOULD LEARN FROM THIS... THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. IF THESE GUYS CAN CHANGE PLACINGS SO CAN YOU..

Honestly there are so many unqualified judges at comps. Its time to start calling them out so shit like this doesn't happen. Teams work hard on their sets and they deserved to be judge fairly.

 

[Ranvir]

What's up everybody,

First off I want to say congrats to Reign of Bhangra for throwing a well organized competition. I was there helping get the boys ready and the committee was on top of it! I think it's awesome that we are able to have a discussion like this in regards to judging because it has been a huge issue in the bhangra scene since day 1. I have danced and judged at many competitions mainly on the west coast but I have a solid amount experience on both sides. Not every competition is easy to judge and it's not always clear cut who the winner will be. This competition was one of the better ones I have seen in a while in terms of talent and every team brought it!

I have to agree with @Ricky916 and @Jdosanjh. First of all not everyone is qualified to be a judge because you have the responsibility of helping the teams to understand their mistakes and explain how they could have been improved. You need to provide feedback to the teams in a constructive manner and explain exactly when and why you docked points. If you can't provide constructive feedback to help these teams improve on their performances then you simply are NOT qualified. This was a big issue during the judges meeting because our boys felt like they were being attacked instead of being provided with constructive criticism. One of the judges (Guppy) did provide thorough feedback today and I agree with the points he made.

I think the first mistake was only having three judges because one judge can sway which way the placings go too easily. Although we have danced at competitions in the past where there were 5 or 6 judges but one judge gave us a score as low as 48 and in the case of this competition a 59. There needs to be a standardized scoring system and giving judges the ability to score between 0 and 100 is too much room for error.

Speaking on the comments made on this thread I don't think any of the teams are necessarily complaining that they should have placed higher. After talking to Shan-E, Vancity, SFBC, and the guys on my team the biggest issue was Royal Queens taking first place which was a surprise for everyone including them. If Shan-E won and SFBC took 2nd and we had taken 3rd I don't think anybody would be reacting this way. Most people thought there were atleast two teams that didn't place that had better performances than Royal Queens on this night. This is where the past connections with coaches and judges comes into play and that is something that we absolutely can not have.

Lastly if you want to contribute to making things better than don't hide behind a fake name. When you want to call teams out and voice your opinion let everyone know who you are and what your credentials are @Jack Paaji @Jennifer Bhabi and @The TRUTH 123

 

[Jdosanjh]

Lastly if you want to contribute to making things better than don't hide behind a fake name. When you want to call teams out and voice your opinion let everyone know who you are and what your credentials are @Jack Paaji @Jennifer Bhabi and @The TRUTH 123

Couldn't have said it any better +1 to that

 

[JackPaaji]

My

What's up everybody,

First off I want to say congrats to Reign of Bhangra for throwing a well organized competition. I was there helping get the boys ready and the committee was on top of it! I think it's awesome that we are able to have a discussion like this in regards to judging because it has been a huge issue in the bhangra scene since day 1. I have danced and judged at many competitions mainly on the west coast but I have a solid amount experience on both sides. Not every competition is easy to judge and it's not always clear cut who the winner will be. This competition was one of the better ones I have seen in a while in terms of talent and every team brought it!

I have to agree with @Ricky916 and @Jdosanjh. First of all not everyone is qualified to be a judge because you have the responsibility of helping the teams to understand their mistakes and explain how they could have been improved. You need to provide feedback to the teams in a constructive manner and explain exactly when and why you docked points. If you can't provide constructive feedback to help these teams improve on their performances then you simply are NOT qualified. This was a big issue during the judges meeting because our boys felt like they were being attacked instead of being provided with constructive criticism. One of the judges (Guppy) did provide thorough feedback today and I agree with the points he made.

I think the first mistake was only having three judges because one judge can sway which way the placings go too easily. Although we have danced at competitions in the past where there were 5 or 6 judges but one judge gave us a score as low as 48 and in the case of this competition a 59. There needs to be a standardized scoring system and giving judges the ability to score between 0 and 100 is too much room for error.

Speaking on the comments made on this thread I don't think any of the teams are necessarily complaining that they should have placed higher. After talking to Shan-E, Vancity, SFBC, and the guys on my team the biggest issue was Royal Queens taking first place which was a surprise for everyone including them. If Shan-E won and SFBC took 2nd and we had taken 3rd I don't think anybody would be reacting this way. Most people thought there were atleast two teams that didn't place that had better performances than Royal Queens on this night. This is where the past connections with coaches and judges comes into play and that is something that we absolutely can not have.

Lastly if you want to contribute to making things better than don't hide behind a fake name. When you want to call teams out and voice your opinion let everyone know who you are and what your credentials are @Jack Paaji @Jennifer Bhabi and @The TRUTH 123

My name is Jagjeet Singh Jassar. I studied commerce at KPU and danced for SDNTG for 14 years. Doesnt matter what my credentials are, im allowed to voice my opinion. I don't hear any of you guys complaining or fighting for rejudments of other competitions, what makes this one so special? The fact that your team lost? Boo hoo bud. I don't think writing paragraph IG and FB captions is gunna change the world.

With love-
JAG PAAJI

 

[The TRUTH 123]

Choosing to stay anonymous is my right and I plan to keep it that way.

I respect all teams and thoroughly enjoyed everyone's performance. Their were things that ABC did that I really liked, like your entire sapp segment but I also personally disliked your gimmicks and I guess the judges did too.
What I'm saying is everyone's got to understand that this comp is over and done with and changing placings now is pointless. Let's move forward and figure out what we have to do to ensure placings are as accurate as possible.

 

[JD123]

Good Evening Everyone,

I would like to start off saying that this was one of the best bhangra competitions I have seen in a very long time. All of the teams did exceptionally well and it was evident to the audience how much hard work was put into each routine. As an audience member, it was hard to even predict the placings because the routines were executed so well. Let`s be honest, by the end of the competition, everyone roughly knows how the placings are going to end up. The audience might not qualify to be professional judges but the audience does connect to each team and their performance whether they are affiliated with the team or not.

I know some of you will agree that even though you come in to cheer on one team.. it is hard to ignore other teams when the execute such amazing acts. That is exactly what happened during Reign of Bhangra. I was cheering for the best performance to win, regardless of who they were. There were teams that did so well that did not even end up placing. I do not understand judging and I do not know what goes behind making the decisions. However, I do know that the placing during this competition did not make any sense at all. The audience was left in shock when ABC & SFBC were announced as third place. Some of us were even more shocked when first place was announced. I am not saying that the winners should not have placed at all but I believe there were teams who looked more qualified for first place.

I can go on and on about the performances and how each team did but that is not the point of this post. I stand by everyone who believes that the competition placings should have been different and there should have been constructive feedback provided. I request that the score sheets be re-examined and justice be served to the teams or at least constructive feedback be given. This was a great competition with a tragic ending and it has affected how some of us look at the bhangra scene. I believe it does effect the youth and their trust in bhangra and competing. It is sad to see that it ended the way that it did. It was shocking to hear of how the judges responded to some of the dancers. If what is said is true, this shows us the credibility of competitions and judges. And yes, this has happened before in other competitions but not to the degree it happened during this competition. A team should not be judged based on how someone feels about them. A team should be judged for the dance and whatever technicalities they are supposed to be judged for. Teams of such a high caliber basically were demoted for unexplained and unfair reasons. This needs to be fixed before it happens again and crushes the spirit of other performers!

 

[bhangra_24]

I think the point that we're trying to come across isn't the placing order, it's the unfair, biased judging that took place with no reasonable explanation to the teams. The 7/8 teams are not saying that one particular team should have placed first, but that the judging results were out of the blue-something that no one in that auditorium was expecting. 84 dancers left that stage with mixed emotions and this is why all of us are saying that the each team should receive constructive feedback that they deserve. We should all boycott comps until they provide "qualified" judges to judge the teams present whether it be a modern or folk comp. Not once has vancity, abc, Shane, or sfbc said that they deserved a certain placing... so let's get over that and look at the bigger picture. No point in talking about this over and over again, because the issue is completing different on the larger scale... which the local teams in Vancouver are working towards collectively.

 

[BhangraSUCKS]

I have no experience in bhangra, but I like to judge people. Can I be judge?

 

[Lally]

I have no experience in bhangra, but I like to judge people. Can I be judge?

I'm sure if you apply to enough comps, one of em will accept you, lol. I would suggest start playing chimta cuz alot of chimtay players judge competitions nowadays.